The more that comes out it is worse than imagined.
" Fournette’s season was a disaster and the hamstring injury is only part of the story. He left the Jets game in September when it flared up, then left the stadium at halftime. He talked about defending the same teammates he abandoned against the Jets and Chiefs with his ill-advised adventure on the Bills sideline; his antics on the sidelines in Tennessee and Houston were seen by all. Fournette wasn’t the only selfish player in the locker room, but he was the highest-profile guy, so he’ll bear the brunt of the pushback. He earned it."
https://www.jaguars.com/news/sexton-oehs...orth-x2589
(01-02-2019, 11:15 PM)Shelley Thompson Wrote: [ -> ]Availability. Coachability. Scheme.
Fournette and his buddy, Ramsey, are Poster Boys for Marrone’s diagnoses of what went wrong. Ramsey not showing until mandatory and Marrone just low balling it saying , “Jalen has been in contact and he assured me he is getting his work in and will arrive ready,” had me thinking, “Uh oh! Where is the team spirit in that? Are his teammates going to be cool with that?” So I am glad Marrone brought up the importance of being, “in the building” for ALL team practice and training whether voluntary or mandatory.
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Freddy T used to do the same dang thing. No biggie about the voluntary stuff if they have a different coach they enjoy working with,
and are putting in the effort. Jalen's problem has never been his ability, or even his concept of team. If that were the case, he'd have phoned in the back half of this season or found some way to get put on IR to avoid any long-term injury.
(01-03-2019, 12:09 PM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (01-02-2019, 11:15 PM)Shelley Thompson Wrote: [ -> ]Availability. Coachability. Scheme.
Fournette and his buddy, Ramsey, are Poster Boys for Marrone’s diagnoses of what went wrong. Ramsey not showing until mandatory and Marrone just low balling it saying , “Jalen has been in contact and he assured me he is getting his work in and will arrive ready,” had me thinking, “Uh oh! Where is the team spirit in that? Are his teammates going to be cool with that?” So I am glad Marrone brought up the importance of being, “in the building” for ALL team practice and training whether voluntary or mandatory.
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Freddy T used to do the same dang thing. No biggie about the voluntary stuff if they have a different coach they enjoy working with, and are putting in the effort. Jalen's problem has never been his ability, or even his concept of team. If that were the case, he'd have phoned in the back half of this season or found some way to get put on IR to avoid any long-term injury.
What part of "voluntary" don't they understand? Do you show up at your workplace and put in hours when you aren't paid to do so? Send me your resume, I need all that free work done.
(01-03-2019, 11:16 AM)Jagwired Wrote: [ -> ]The more that comes out it is worse than imagined.
" Fournette’s season was a disaster and the hamstring injury is only part of the story. He left the Jets game in September when it flared up, then left the stadium at halftime. He talked about defending the same teammates he abandoned against the Jets and Chiefs with his ill-advised adventure on the Bills sideline; his antics on the sidelines in Tennessee and Houston were seen by all. Fournette wasn’t the only selfish player in the locker room, but he was the highest-profile guy, so he’ll bear the brunt of the pushback. He earned it."
https://www.jaguars.com/news/sexton-oehs...orth-x2589
He's deeper in the doghouse than I thought.
(01-03-2019, 12:28 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (01-03-2019, 11:16 AM)Jagwired Wrote: [ -> ]The more that comes out it is worse than imagined.
" Fournette’s season was a disaster and the hamstring injury is only part of the story. He left the Jets game in September when it flared up, then left the stadium at halftime. He talked about defending the same teammates he abandoned against the Jets and Chiefs with his ill-advised adventure on the Bills sideline; his antics on the sidelines in Tennessee and Houston were seen by all. Fournette wasn’t the only selfish player in the locker room, but he was the highest-profile guy, so he’ll bear the brunt of the pushback. He earned it."
https://www.jaguars.com/news/sexton-oehs...orth-x2589
He's deeper in the doghouse than I thought.
Yeah, that was damning. I'm sure they're working the possibility of a trade as we speak and I wouldn't be shocked if he doesn't make it to training camp either way.
I guess Trent Richardson really was a bad comparison, we've never seen anything about Richardson being a cancer like the above seems to indicate for threenette.
(01-03-2019, 12:17 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (01-03-2019, 12:09 PM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]Freddy T used to do the same dang thing. No biggie about the voluntary stuff if they have a different coach they enjoy working with, and are putting in the effort. Jalen's problem has never been his ability, or even his concept of team. If that were the case, he'd have phoned in the back half of this season or found some way to get put on IR to avoid any long-term injury.
What part of "voluntary" don't they understand? Do you show up at your workplace and put in hours when you aren't paid to do so? Send me your resume, I need all that free work done.
It's not about working for free. It's about setting the example for the team. As the best player or one of the best on the team, your decisions set the tone for everyone below you. If I was in Ramsey's shoes, I'd show up this year. Maybe see if they'd let his dad come down for some of the time. But if he wants this team to be his, he's gotta show everyone who will be there that the big boys will do it too. We lost a lot of that "team" from last year, this year. Losing will do that sometimes. But his presence there could make a big difference.
(01-03-2019, 01:04 PM)jvillejagsn1 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-03-2019, 12:17 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]What part of "voluntary" don't they understand? Do you show up at your workplace and put in hours when you aren't paid to do so? Send me your resume, I need all that free work done.
It's not about working for free. It's about setting the example for the team. As the best player or one of the best on the team, your decisions set the tone for everyone below you. If I was in Ramsey's shoes, I'd show up this year. Maybe see if they'd let his dad come down for some of the time. But if he wants this team to be his, he's gotta show everyone who will be there that the big boys will do it too. We lost a lot of that "team" from last year, this year. Losing will do that sometimes. But his presence there could make a big difference.
More than that, he needs to tell all the magazine editors he's busy prepping for the season before sitting down to trash the majority of his opponents' starting QBs. Talk all the smack you want about the other teams' terrible players in the locker room after practice, but keep it out of print. Let the game do the talking for you. That so-called swagger is a big reason why everyone thought of themselves first and team second.
Fred worked his butt off during the off-season, and when he did show, he was ready to go, no gradual easing into things, getting into football shape, etc. If that works for Jalen, great. Jalen's job is not to teach the new kids how to study film, work on footwork, eat right, etc. If he is there for every voluntary practice, that's awesome, but I don't think that will contribute to any win, loss, or team identity over the course of the season.
(01-03-2019, 12:17 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (01-03-2019, 12:09 PM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]Freddy T used to do the same dang thing. No biggie about the voluntary stuff if they have a different coach they enjoy working with, and are putting in the effort. Jalen's problem has never been his ability, or even his concept of team. If that were the case, he'd have phoned in the back half of this season or found some way to get put on IR to avoid any long-term injury.
What part of "voluntary" don't they understand? Do you show up at your workplace and put in hours when you aren't paid to do so? Send me your resume, I need all that free work done.
Yes. Let's equate playing professional football to working a 9-5 job. That always works out.
Oh and everyone I know that wants their company to succeed puts the extra effort in even if they're not paid for it.
Making sure your company succeeds is ensuring your own success within it.
(01-03-2019, 10:53 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ] (01-03-2019, 10:34 AM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]It's hilarious you think that's impressive.
Watch ANY game of Gurley or Elliot. They will have those plays and 3 more. EVERY. SINGLE. GAME.
Absolutely. It says a lot that there are a bunch of short runs that don't even get first Downs in his highlights.
Compare it to this
IDT anyone ever said LF27 was as good as MJD was. Further, MJD had: Brad Meester, Vince Manuwai, Uche Nwaneri etc. to run behind. LF27 ran behind .. Ereck Flowers, Omameh, and journeymen linemen. In the one game he had with all our starters before his hamstring pull he was averaging 4.55 ypc. but that gets ignored.
Zeke has always been the superior talent, it's also helpful that he runs behind the best oline in football for the majority of his career. Gurley had a worse sophomore year than Fournette did on a per touch basis. Rams fans are real glad they didn't chase him out of town. Also of note, Saquon Barkley for all his explosive runs gets tackled at the line for a minimal gain or loss of yards as much if not more than Fournette.
"It's hilarious you think that's impressive." you asked for clips of him demonstrating traits or doing something you claimed he literally could not do. I provide you with the evidence and of course you act condescending; I called that you'd do this in my original response too lol, Keep moving the goalposts; we get it you hate Fournette and can't admit that he's better than you give him credit for.
(01-03-2019, 12:28 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (01-03-2019, 11:16 AM)Jagwired Wrote: [ -> ]The more that comes out it is worse than imagined.
" Fournette’s season was a disaster and the hamstring injury is only part of the story. He left the Jets game in September when it flared up, then left the stadium at halftime. He talked about defending the same teammates he abandoned against the Jets and Chiefs with his ill-advised adventure on the Bills sideline; his antics on the sidelines in Tennessee and Houston were seen by all. Fournette wasn’t the only selfish player in the locker room, but he was the highest-profile guy, so he’ll bear the brunt of the pushback. He earned it."
https://www.jaguars.com/news/sexton-oehs...orth-x2589
He's deeper in the doghouse than I thought.
Thats what i was trying to say not so much about out of shape as the other things. After listneing again it was pete prisco who said he was out of shape. But they did mention later on about the rumor they heard about him leaving the jets game with a injury and was showered and left stadium before halftime.
(01-03-2019, 10:53 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ] (01-03-2019, 10:34 AM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]It's hilarious you think that's impressive.
Watch ANY game of Gurley or Elliot. They will have those plays and 3 more. EVERY. SINGLE. GAME.
Absolutely. It says a lot that there are a bunch of short runs that don't even get first Downs in his highlights.
Compare it to this
The best part of that video at the end, Jags leading 37 to 0 over the tacks. Oh the good times.
We need another great back.
(01-03-2019, 11:16 AM)Jagwired Wrote: [ -> ]The more that comes out it is worse than imagined.
" Fournette’s season was a disaster and the hamstring injury is only part of the story. He left the Jets game in September when it flared up, then left the stadium at halftime. He talked about defending the same teammates he abandoned against the Jets and Chiefs with his ill-advised adventure on the Bills sideline; his antics on the sidelines in Tennessee and Houston were seen by all. Fournette wasn’t the only selfish player in the locker room, but he was the highest-profile guy, so he’ll bear the brunt of the pushback. He earned it."
https://www.jaguars.com/news/sexton-oehs...orth-x2589
Lol, and this guy was a captain of the team. Marrone preaches "accountability"... I guess none of that was enough to strip the C off the jersey.
(01-03-2019, 02:47 PM)JAGFAN88 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-03-2019, 12:28 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]He's deeper in the doghouse than I thought.
Thats what i was trying to say not so much about out of shape as the other things. After listneing again it was pete prisco who said he was out of shape. But they did mention later on about the rumor they heard about him leaving the jets game with a injury and was showered and left stadium before halftime.
that part bothers me more than any of the other speculations. If he wasnt going to the hospital for an MRI or something, that is a little troubling.
He's not talented enough to be this big of a diva. Not even close.
That's just insane. What kind of culture is allowed to exist???
This is the biggest thing for me. Marrone clearly can’t ckntrol his team. Why is he still here?
For anyone that follows Soccer. Look at what Pogba has done since Mourinho got sacked! And he was much worse a cancer for the team!
(01-03-2019, 03:19 PM)Dockerill91 Wrote: [ -> ]This is the biggest thing for me. Marrone clearly can’t ckntrol his team. Why is he still here?
For anyone that follows Soccer. Look at what Pogba has done since Mourinho got sacked! And he was much worse a cancer for the team!
I don't know. Just because there are a couple of malcontents does not automatically equate to Marrone having no control. I read they have fined him multiple times, Marrone suspended him last year. There probably is not much else that can be done except what the team is doing now.
(01-03-2019, 03:23 PM)Jagwired Wrote: [ -> ] (01-03-2019, 03:19 PM)Dockerill91 Wrote: [ -> ]This is the biggest thing for me. Marrone clearly can’t ckntrol his team. Why is he still here?
For anyone that follows Soccer. Look at what Pogba has done since Mourinho got sacked! And he was much worse a cancer for the team!
I don't know. Just because there are a couple of malcontents does not automatically equate to Marrone having no control. I read they have fined him multiple times, Marrone suspended him last year. There probably is not much else that can be done except what the team is doing now.
He can just go back to Louisiana and rest on his laurels on the fact he trucked the Honey Badger when he was in middle school
(01-03-2019, 02:03 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (01-03-2019, 12:17 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]What part of "voluntary" don't they understand? Do you show up at your workplace and put in hours when you aren't paid to do so? Send me your resume, I need all that free work done.
Yes. Let's equate playing professional football to working a 9-5 job. That always works out.
The industry does not change the definition of the word "voluntary" no matter how much you need it to in order to support your argument.
(01-03-2019, 02:23 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]Oh and everyone I know that wants their company to succeed puts the extra effort in even if they're not paid for it.
Making sure your company succeeds is ensuring your own success within it.
You think Ramsey wont be a success even if this team fails? C'mon now, you guys are smarter than this.
(01-05-2019, 10:26 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (01-03-2019, 02:03 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Yes. Let's equate playing professional football to working a 9-5 job. That always works out.
The industry does not change the definition of the word "voluntary" no matter how much you need it to in order to support your argument.
(01-03-2019, 02:23 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]Oh and everyone I know that wants their company to succeed puts the extra effort in even if they're not paid for it.
Making sure your company succeeds is ensuring your own success within it.
You think Ramsey wont be a success even if this team fails? C'mon now, you guys are smarter than this.
No ring. No success. Takes a team.
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