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With this weak O line, I think Tommy Bohanon would have been a nice complement to Fournette's steam-powered running style.

Yeah let's double down on the bungling of that draft pick by then paying him a second contract. 






He's okay. He had some production this year. But we can do better, and backs like LF do not typically age well.

I'd pick up the 5th year option and see how he does next year. Just because you pick up the option doesn't mean you have to use it unless he gets hurt of course.

I’d be OK offering him a 3 year contract commensurate with being part of a committee approach to the run game — which is how I feel he should be used.

Otherwise - i’d probably let him walk.

I do think he’s getting better and can obviously be a productive back. But I still can’t believe the lack of vision at times and I’d like to seek a primary back that sees creases with more ease and fits into them quicker with more agility.

(12-28-2019, 04:23 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I’d be OK offering him a 3 year contract commensurate with being part of a committee approach to the run game — which is how I feel he should be used.

Otherwise - i’d probably let him walk.

I do think he’s getting better and can obviously be a productive back. But I still can’t believe the lack of vision at times and I’d like to seek a primary back that sees creases with more ease and fits into them quicker with more agility.

I think we agree basically. Hes had a solid year, he had so many question marks against him before the season but hes grown up a lot this season. I'm quick to criticize but he deserves credit for what he has improved this year. Theres still plenty of room for improvement and he has to kick on from this season and prove you can build an O with him as a key figure. I agree we need to have him as part of a group. Making him a 3 down back every drive has him worn out any time we do hit the redzone.

The risk is if he balls out next year then his price goes up. Whatever we do FO and HC wise will have an impact.

he is aging quickly as a back. His burst is nowhere near what it was in 2017. He can’t get those 4th and 1s anymore. I like the guy, but we need an elusive back who can make guys miss. LF just isn’t that.

Smh. Rb is our only solid position. I don't understand why we always to lowball players and then ending having to find a replacement because they feel insulted and leave. Fournette rushed for 1k and was leading the team in receptions. Lock him in for maybe 4 year and don't worry about the position unless he gets hurt. I'm not sure if you guys think its easy to find a Barry Sanders or Adrian Peterson but we should keep our grown talent he does the job, sometimes good, sometimes average.

(12-28-2019, 04:54 PM)D-Money Wrote: [ -> ]Smh. Rb is our only solid position. I don't understand why we always to lowball players and then ending having to find a replacement because they feel insulted and leave. Fournette rushed for 1k and was leading the team in receptions. Lock him in for maybe 4 year and don't worry about the position unless he gets hurt. I'm not sure if you guys think its easy to find a Barry Sanders or Adrian Peterson but we should keep our grown talent he does the job, sometimes good, sometimes average.

Deceiving at best, he missed a ton of open holes to be a 3 yard and cloud of dust back. No vision.

He is nothing special.

He is decent, I'd like to keep him but not at the price he is gonna ask.

(12-28-2019, 04:52 PM)Talented Kalamari Wrote: [ -> ]he is aging quickly as a back. His burst is nowhere near what it was in 2017. He can’t get those 4th and 1s anymore. I like the guy, but we need an elusive back who can make guys miss. LF just isn’t that.

His burst is actually better this year

Fournette has definitely lost his burst this year. You could see it on those long runs where he would get caught from behind - something that wouldn't have happened in 2017. Best thing to do with LF is trade him this offseason while he's actually got some value to a team in the SB hunt. Assuming DC/DM come back, 2021 is a 3-5 win season, so 2022 will be a complete rebuild. RB's don't last long in this league. Get a 2nd rounder for him while you can and just admit that taking him at 4 overall was another big DC bust.

If he agrees to be paid like a RB who splits Carrie's with a more "lightning" like back to compliment his thunder.

I think it comes down to how the coach failed to utilize Armstead as he should. A guy who has more wiggle.

(12-28-2019, 06:39 PM)navyjagfan Wrote: [ -> ]Fournette has definitely lost his burst this year.  You could see it on those long runs where he would get caught from behind - something that wouldn't have happened in 2017.  Best thing to do with LF is trade him this offseason while he's actually got some value to a team in the SB hunt.  Assuming DC/DM come back, 2021 is a 3-5 win season, so 2022 will be a complete rebuild.  RB's don't last long in this league.  Get a 2nd rounder for him while you can and just admit that taking him at 4 overall was another big DC bust.

Burst and long speed are almost completely opposite attributes.

Fournette out. Offense magically looks better. Hmmmmmm

Look, guys, Leonard Fournette is not the problem with this team. Far from it. He's actually one of the bright spots of this otherwise miserable season.

(12-28-2019, 12:27 AM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]He struggles to run from shotgun, but was able to hit a few big gains to make up most of his yards. When they have tried to force feed him the last few weeks, the offense sucks until they finally say screw it and let Minshew do his thing.

If they keep him, they have to get a fullback. If they do that, they better use a TE over the middle, passing to the flats, and heavy DEEP THREATS.

I'd rather move on and find a quick RB who has lateral quickness and vision.

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Agree completely, Fournette is not worth more than 3-4 million a year at best. He just isn't that good at being a RB. Hence why his per carry and per catch are near the bottom when compared to his peers and why our offense sputters when it relies on him. I will give him credit for being good as a pass protector and an improved human being, and I wouldn't mind keeping him, but not anywhere near 7 million a year. I think there will be 2nd to 5th round guys who are better available every year.

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(12-27-2019, 11:43 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]I'll start with the good, he appears to have taken a step forward as a human being and he has become a legitimately good blocker and at least a serviceable pass catcher.

That said, there are 27 RBs with 150 touches. Fournette is 18th in yards per carry and 20th in yards per reception. He is still an inefficient compiler at RB who is a square peg in the round hole that is the modern NFL.

We aren't winning anything of significance again while he is the centerpiece of the offense, thus we should not pay him as such. Let some other stupid team do that.

Remember short yardage uses brings down yards per carry and he's used on short yardage more than any back in that group. Also ypc isn't a good stat to measure RB performance.

He sucks in short yardage tho and that was supposed to be his thing.  Thats actually my biggest problem with Fournette. He can't convert the 3 &2 or 1 consistently at all.

(12-30-2019, 08:01 AM)HandsomeRob86 Wrote: [ -> ]

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(12-28-2019, 12:59 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Remember short yardage uses brings down yards per carry and he's used on short yardage more than any back in that group. Also ypc isn't a good stat to measure RB performance.

He sucks in short yardage tho and that was supposed to be his thing.  Thats actually my biggest problem with Fournette. He can't convert the 3 &2 or 1 consistently at all.

That's an offensive line problem.  It's not a Fournette problem.  How many times do defensive linemen or LBs come right through on a short yardage running play?  All the time.  We do not block well.

(12-30-2019, 08:32 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-30-2019, 08:01 AM)HandsomeRob86 Wrote: [ -> ]

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He sucks in short yardage tho and that was supposed to be his thing.  Thats actually my biggest problem with Fournette. He can't convert the 3 &2 or 1 consistently at all.

That's an offensive line problem.  It's not a Fournette problem.  How many times do defensive linemen or LBs come right through on a short yardage running play?  All the time.  We do not block well.

It's both IMO. There is times there are holes that he don't see..well a lot of times actually.

(12-28-2019, 04:54 PM)D-Money Wrote: [ -> ]Smh. Rb is our only solid position. I don't understand why we always to lowball players and then ending having to find a replacement because they feel insulted and leave. Fournette rushed for 1k and was leading the team in receptions. Lock him in for maybe 4 year and don't worry about the position unless he gets hurt. I'm not sure if you guys think its easy to find a Barry Sanders or Adrian Peterson but we should keep our grown talent he does the job, sometimes good, sometimes average.

It's almost like you've never actually watched the guy play.

Fournette had a "good" season this year in a similar way to Bortles having a good season when he threw 35 TDs, a lot of empty stats that didn't help get many wins.

I agree with some others here, he's worth a role player type contract, maybe 3 years for 10 million.

He's a late round talent that doesn't make people miss, doesn't break tackles, and gets run down from behind when the offense manages to make all the blocks he needs to actually get past the defense. He's not even particularly good in short yardage.

He's one of the team's biggest draft busts, but I think most of us could see it coming from a mile away.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...-fournette

I wonder if the coaching staff feels silly that we built an offense around our third best running back.