(01-01-2020, 06:43 PM)Adub28 Wrote: [ -> ]It would be nice to have a rob who could actually make someone miss. Fournette gets you what’s blocked and that’s it. 9 times out of 10 when in the open field the 1st guy takes him down. If we getting gettinghad a 1990’s Dallas cowboys online he’d be a ideal guy. But we don’t and in no way am I throwing money at his mediocrity, I won’t give him the option either because he will pull a bottles and get offseason surgery to make sure he gets paid.
Why do people keep saying he'd be great with a great line? He'd still be getting run down from behind and only getting what's blocked. It would still be better to have a guy that makes people miss in the open field.
(01-01-2020, 06:43 PM)Adub28 Wrote: [ -> ]It would be nice to have a rob who could actually make someone miss. Fournette gets you what’s blocked and that’s it. 9 times out of 10 when in the open field the 1st guy takes him down. If we had a 1990’s Dallas cowboys online he’d be a ideal guy. But we don’t and in no way am I throwing money at his mediocrity, I won’t give him the option either because he will pull a bottles and get offseason surgery to make sure he gets paid.
He was 6th in the league in Yards After Contact averaging 2.9 YAC and 65.6% of his yards came after contact. For reference Henry was 4th at 3.2 YAC (62.8%) and Chubb was first at 3.5 YAC (70.5%) McCaffery was 10th at 2.0 YAC (42%)
(01-02-2020, 11:23 AM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ] (01-01-2020, 06:43 PM)Adub28 Wrote: [ -> ]It would be nice to have a rob who could actually make someone miss. Fournette gets you what’s blocked and that’s it. 9 times out of 10 when in the open field the 1st guy takes him down. If we had a 1990’s Dallas cowboys online he’d be a ideal guy. But we don’t and in no way am I throwing money at his mediocrity, I won’t give him the option either because he will pull a bottles and get offseason surgery to make sure he gets paid.
He was 6th in the league in Yards After Contact averaging 2.9 YAC and 65.6% of his yards came after contact. For reference Henry was 4th at 3.2 YAC (62.8%) and Chubb was first at 3.5 YAC (70.5%) McCaffery was 10th at 2.0 YAC (42%)
I don't think he's the best back in the league by any stretch, but he's certainly nowhere close to as bad as some here want to believe.
(01-02-2020, 11:48 AM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ] (01-02-2020, 11:23 AM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]He was 6th in the league in Yards After Contact averaging 2.9 YAC and 65.6% of his yards came after contact. For reference Henry was 4th at 3.2 YAC (62.8%) and Chubb was first at 3.5 YAC (70.5%) McCaffery was 10th at 2.0 YAC (42%)
I don't think he's the best back in the league by any stretch, but he's certainly nowhere close to as bad as some here want to believe.
And if he were taken in the 2nd or 3rd round no one would complain.
It really just comes down to the fact that he plays a position where it is the easiest to get by with cheap production, we are a team in one of the worst cap situations, and he is making a ton of money. We would lose almost nothing with an Armstead/Ozigbo rotation and we could use that money on a whole lot of far more useful things.
(01-01-2020, 06:48 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ] (01-01-2020, 06:43 PM)Adub28 Wrote: [ -> ]It would be nice to have a rob who could actually make someone miss. Fournette gets you what’s blocked and that’s it. 9 times out of 10 when in the open field the 1st guy takes him down. If we getting gettinghad a 1990’s Dallas cowboys online he’d be a ideal guy. But we don’t and in no way am I throwing money at his mediocrity, I won’t give him the option either because he will pull a bottles and get offseason surgery to make sure he gets paid.
Why do people keep saying he'd be great with a great line? He'd still be getting run down from behind and only getting what's blocked. It would still be better to have a guy that makes people miss in the open field.
Because he'd probably average about 1.5-2.5 more yards per carry with a better line, and that would be a very good number.
He's fighting through early contact way too frequently behind this line.
At times I'm baffled by his lack of vision and we know he's not elusive aside from a rare cut or two per game, but he's clearly a productive back and a better line would only further his production. There's no leap in logic required to see that. I just want to see him in a committee instead of a bellcow, personally. Hell, the way his blocking and receiving went in 2019 - you could make him your 3rd down back and work a committee on early downs.
You still want to tell everyone he's Trent Richardson 2.0? He's proven that comp to be way off base.
(01-02-2020, 11:54 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]It really just comes down to the fact that he plays a position where it is the easiest to get by with cheap production, we are a team in one of the worst cap situations, and he is making a ton of money. We would lose almost nothing with an Armstead/Ozigbo rotation and we could use that money on a whole lot of far more useful things.
Whatever you say...
Although not a surprise considering the source.
(01-02-2020, 11:55 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (01-01-2020, 06:48 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]Why do people keep saying he'd be great with a great line? He'd still be getting run down from behind and only getting what's blocked. It would still be better to have a guy that makes people miss in the open field.
Because he'd probably average about 1.5-2.5 more yards per carry with a better line, and that would be a very good number.
He's fighting through early contact way too frequently behind this line.
At times I'm baffled by his lack of vision and we know he's not elusive aside from a rare cut or two per game, but he's clearly a productive back and a better line would only further his production. There's no leap in logic required to see that. I just want to see him in a committee instead of a bellcow, personally. Hell, the way his blocking and receiving went in 2019 - you could make him your 3rd down back and work a committee on early downs.
You still want to tell everyone he's Trent Richardson 2.0? He's proven that comp to be way off base.
This is it. Yes Fournette has taken a step back towards what we need him to be this year but he needs another big step next year to be that top 5 RB. I think confidence is a big factor, 2018 seemed to really effect him and he was getting hit as soon as he got handed the ball, I think that mentally played on him. He doesn't hit the holes hard as he doesn't seem to trust the blocking.
They seemed to get a bit lost with making him a 3 down back with an every down back. Times we would get to the RZ and Fournette would need to go to the sideline.
This front office screwed up. It has been so long since we have used a change of pace back. We have the same guy in 3 people. Fournette is the least of the off season woes for 2020
(01-02-2020, 01:25 PM)MoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]This front office screwed up. It has been so long since we have used a change of pace back. We have the same guy in 3 people. Fournette is the least of the off season woes for 2020
I agree, they kind of went all in on one thing- a downhill power running game, and when they found out the offensive line wasn't going to open the kind of holes needed for that type of running attack, they had no plan B, because all the backs were the same.
(01-02-2020, 11:55 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (01-01-2020, 06:48 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]Why do people keep saying he'd be great with a great line? He'd still be getting run down from behind and only getting what's blocked. It would still be better to have a guy that makes people miss in the open field.
Because he'd probably average about 1.5-2.5 more yards per carry with a better line, and that would be a very good number.
He's fighting through early contact way too frequently behind this line.
At times I'm baffled by his lack of vision and we know he's not elusive aside from a rare cut or two per game, but he's clearly a productive back and a better line would only further his production. There's no leap in logic required to see that. I just want to see him in a committee instead of a bellcow, personally. Hell, the way his blocking and receiving went in 2019 - you could make him your 3rd down back and work a committee on early downs.
You still want to tell everyone he's Trent Richardson 2.0? He's proven that comp to be way off base.
He's closer to Richardson than he is to someone like Ezekiel Elliot. 3 TD on the season? Glad he's learned to pass block, but he's the very definition of "not a difference maker."
(01-02-2020, 01:46 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ] (01-02-2020, 11:55 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Because he'd probably average about 1.5-2.5 more yards per carry with a better line, and that would be a very good number.
He's fighting through early contact way too frequently behind this line.
At times I'm baffled by his lack of vision and we know he's not elusive aside from a rare cut or two per game, but he's clearly a productive back and a better line would only further his production. There's no leap in logic required to see that. I just want to see him in a committee instead of a bellcow, personally. Hell, the way his blocking and receiving went in 2019 - you could make him your 3rd down back and work a committee on early downs.
You still want to tell everyone he's Trent Richardson 2.0? He's proven that comp to be way off base.
He's closer to Richardson than he is to someone like Ezekiel Elliot. 3 TD on the season? Glad he's learned to pass block, but he's the very definition of "not a difference maker."
So, that's a "no."
Got it.
(01-02-2020, 01:56 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (01-02-2020, 01:46 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]He's closer to Richardson than he is to someone like Ezekiel Elliot. 3 TD on the season? Glad he's learned to pass block, but he's the very definition of "not a difference maker."
So, that's a "no."
Got it.
Not sure what you're talking about. He's at best mediocre and will probably be remembered like Richardson except we won't be lucky enough to find a sucker that would trade a first rounder for him.
Thinking on Couglin, he really screwed up this roster. Lots of bad decisions trying to shore up Bortles. It is baffling that we went after Foles when you look at the coaches and poor philosophy employed. Honestly Minshew doesn't fit in with the coaching goals and plans either. His struggles are pretty much related to the game plan and tempo.
Honestly even Fournette was screwed by the coaches and front office. Where is the OLine development for a team that wants to grind on a lead and unleash the pass rushers?
(01-02-2020, 02:10 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ] (01-02-2020, 01:56 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]So, that's a "no."
Got it.
Not sure what you're talking about. He's at best mediocre and will probably be remembered like Richardson except we won't be lucky enough to find a sucker that would trade a first rounder for him.
By who? People that are clueless?
(01-02-2020, 02:29 PM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ] (01-02-2020, 02:10 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]Not sure what you're talking about. He's at best mediocre and will probably be remembered like Richardson except we won't be lucky enough to find a sucker that would trade a first rounder for him.
By who? People that are clueless?
He's never going to be remembered like Freddy T and MJD. He probably won't be remembered at all.
(01-02-2020, 02:30 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ] (01-02-2020, 02:29 PM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ]By who? People that are clueless?
He's never going to be remembered like Freddy T and MJD. He probably won't be remembered at all.
And? Who said he was?
(01-02-2020, 02:31 PM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ] (01-02-2020, 02:30 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]He's never going to be remembered like Freddy T and MJD. He probably won't be remembered at all.
And? Who said he was?
No one.
We've been spoiled as a fan base when it comes to RBs though.. and LF is just too average to have the fanbase really care about him.
(01-02-2020, 02:32 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ] (01-02-2020, 02:31 PM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ]And? Who said he was?
No one.
We've been spoiled as a fan base when it comes to RBs though.. and LF is just too average to have the fanbase really care about him.
Freddy T is a special special guy like Barry Sanders. Those guys don't come around often.
MJD was a fantasy owner dream and had played above small market trappings. Fournette doesn't score enough to be memorable at the position.
I say cut bait with Gumbo ( Fournette ) . I don’t care what stats you use, i know what i see. This offense runs much smoother without him. It’s like one of the coaches said early in the season, he’s always looking for the home run. Zero situation awareness. Need one yard, lose three, because he tries to cut it outside.