(04-24-2020, 10:49 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (04-24-2020, 10:02 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]I don't get the dislike of either pick really. Henderson was highly regarded, even if a few board posters who know jack about diddly didn't like him. He's a cover corner with suspect tackling, but we don't need him to tackle we need him to cover. And I remember a knock on Ramsey being no INTs, then he was catching some INTs in the NFL so maybe we should take a beat and calm down a bit.
As per the pick at 20... any pick at 20, no matter who they were, wasn't going to be an equal value to the talent of Ramsey. However, we got an edge rusher who is actually good vs the run and can drop into coverage. The team has recently noted that we'd have a few more 34 looks so perhaps we'll see him used a bit like a chess piece. So now we have a possible replacement to Yan, and if nothing else a replacement for Fowler. The Ramsey trade didn't only net us the 20 pick, it netted us a 2021 first rounder and 4th rounder as well. So there is no telling who we get with those picks.... But 3 players for 1 player that doesn't want to be here is always a win, imo.
We now have a legit #1 CB and we have another pass rusher. Ramsey was a hell of a talent. But the compensation was great for a player who was done here and had no intention of resigning. If we can move Yan for a 2021 first at this point, I'd be good with that too.
Did the first round land exactly like anyone wanted it? Doubtful... Everyone has their favorite players and the way they want the draft to go. But I think it's a very good start at a rebuild.
I give you credit for your response. Though I disagree with many of your conclusions and some of the reasoning behind it, you at least approached your answer from a purely football perspective as opposed to letting personality dictate your response. As for Henderson's deficiencies and your statement that he's being paid to cover, not tackle, I agree that is his primary purpose. But you better believe if any dispute arises between he and the team, fans here will be the very first to use his lack of tackling prowess as a justification to rail against him. Yan is an edge rusher. He's was drafted to rush the passer. He has been very good at it and now wants to be rewarded for it. Before his holdout, the majority of the board wanted to re-sign him. Now? All anyone talks about in analyzing him as a football player is his run defense. I'm excluding his twitter beef. Everyone agrees he didn't handle that well. But I'm talking specifically as a football player.
I think another thing lost on all of this is we have had two prominent players on our team get so pissed with the front office the differences became irreconcilable.
Does this concern ANY of you?!?
Fair point... but fans gonna fan. I mean, we're all doing it 24 hrs into the draft already right? lol
Yeah Yan catches a lot of flack for not being great against the run, even though he has drastically improved in that area. I was all in on pay Yan until he went full on Ramsey on Twitter.
And you're right, many people who are good with the Henderson pick probably will do a 180 if he isn't a great player, or pulls some drama in the media and they may use his lack of tackling as an excuse as why "they never liked him"
But my point is... maybe his tackling isn't as bad as we think... I mean, Sanders wasn't a tackler either.
Does any of the Ramsey/Yan stuff concern me? Nah, not really. Different strokes for different folks. We knew about Ramsey's personality day 1, Yannick's thing kind of developed.
If we start to see more of it, it would start to concern me. But for every one of those guys we had some stand up dudes like AJ and Calais. Men who knew how to go about the biz. These kids have entitlement and personality issues. That's on them, not on the team.
Did the team screw up when they probably could've locked them up sooner? Sure. But that ship has sailed and I'm not going to think about how they could screw it up with the next slew of draft picks.
As it relates to on the field, I think these two selections are good for the team. As it relates to the trade, I think we got some lemonade from a lemon and we're trying to make some more with another. Talent wise? These guys were awesome for our team. And you rarely replace a developed elite talent with another right away. Henderson won't be Ramsey right away, but he should be a legit #1 CB right away, which we desperately needed. K'Lavon might need some developing or he might surprise. But he adds a solid player to a position of need if/when Yan leaves.
As per the value of the trade, like I said, we gotta see what 2021 nets us before really coming to conclusions but I'll take 3 players being solid contributors/starters over 1 elite player. Because it takes a village my man. No team ever won the superbowl because of a loud mouth HoF CB alone.
So far from the Ramsey trade we got a pass rusher and two picks in 2021, one of which could be a high first rounder. Hell... that pick could turn out to be Trevor Lawrence, if you're a fan of his, I'd assume you'd take that trade off all by itself (Ramsey for a "franchise QB")