(04-24-2020, 05:32 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-24-2020, 02:59 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]Certainly Allen Robinson could have helped this team as far as free agents. If money was a driving factor in Ramsey's discontent here, I would have extended him before he became a problem, as with Yan.
But if it were simply a "bad team" problem, then that paradigm makes it virtually impossible to transition into a good team, because you can never really accumulate talent. You are always trying replacing the good talent you allowed to leave, to say nothing about upgrading other position. This desribes "drafting on a treadmill" to a tee.
Now if I could go back a little further than ten years and include trades, I might have included Marcus Stroud, who wound up playing well for Buffahole after he left here.
Bottom line is we need to do a better job in player retention.
Fantasticly put Bullseye. That is exactly my problem. Never being able to build and continually inprove the roster, so many times we have to replace whats walked out the door.
To BlueEyedJag, im not faulting Caldwell for letting what talent leave when he started, it was a whole new project. It was exciting. My point was more we had what we thought was our O set and its not Caldwell's fault they didn't work out but then add the 2017 D to that and how many have made it to 2nd contracts?
Myles, Bortles, Hurns only played one year on it, Telvin the same. Linder, Lee. I may have missed some but theres not been many for such a long span. Thats why i dont get the obsession with taking draft picks for talent. I understand thpugh the Ramsey situation was tough. This also feeds into Bullseye's point about player retention.
It wouldn't be so obvious if we have been a better drafting team over the years. But because we missed so many first round picks under Shack, missed EVERYTHING under Gene Smith, and missed too much under Caldwell, we haven't had many great players in the first place. Then when we are just blatantly willing to either let Pro Bowl players walk or otherwise drive them away, it's no shock our record has been so bad and the prevailing sense is that we can't ever truly make progress.
The way I see it, Jaylen acted like a [BLEEP]. Wanted out, faked an injury and flat out wouldn’t play after being scolded for his sideline temper tantrum. He was a “once in a generation talent”. We got good compensation for him. To expect to get another “generational” talent from that pick or picks, seriously? Let’s assume he’s a HOF’er. Do you expect to draft another HOF’er? I certainly don’t. The draft can be hit or miss. If we get a couple guys that are solid I’m ecstatic. He wasn’t gonna play here anyways.
(04-24-2020, 06:32 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-24-2020, 05:46 PM)B2hibry Wrote: [ -> ]Do we need to do a better job of player retention? Sure. In the same breath, there needs to be player progression as well. With few exceptions, there aren't many that have left and gone on to have a stellar career. I'm all for paying homegrown talent if it's there, but it really hasn't been.
Thats a very fair point and does need to factor in.
Since DC arrived, there have been abut 6-7 Pro Bowl players drafted by this team. Their status follows...
Allen Robinson: not extended by the team. Left via free agency
Telvin Smith-Got a second contract. Retired after one year under his new deal for unknown reasons. has criticized the FO since.
Jalen Ramsey-Traded away.
Yannick Ngakoue-Wanted a new deal and did not get one. Now wants to be traded and has tried to burn every bridge to achieve that result.
DJ Chark just got here two years ago
Josh Allen-just got here last year
You can't have any kind of sustained winning when you let talent like this leave, especially of you don't have a franchise QB that you are paying. When you add poor player development to the mix (warhop)...one winning season in the last 12 years is what you get.
(04-24-2020, 06:43 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (04-24-2020, 06:32 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]Thats a very fair point and does need to factor in.
Since DC arrived, there have been abut 6-7 Pro Bowl players drafted by this team. Their status follows...
Allen Robinson: not extended by the team. Left via free agency
Telvin Smith-Got a second contract. Retired after one year under his new deal for unknown reasons. has criticized the FO since.
Jalen Ramsey-Traded away.
Yannick Ngakoue-Wanted a new deal and did not get one. Now wants to be traded and has tried to burn every bridge to achieve that result.
DJ Chark just got here two years ago
Josh Allen-just got here last year
You can't have any kind of sustained winning when you let talent like this leave, especially of you don't have a franchise QB that you are paying. When you add poor player development to the mix (warhop)...one winning season in the last 12 years is what you get.
Out of the 2 players that left, A Rob is the only one I think we should regret letting go. It was Highway robbery for what we got for Ramsey and Smith hasnt been right since Poz left. Yan is still here and has the worst agent in all of sports and is realizing he made a huge mistake in not taking the money last year, more than any other team would be willing to give him. I bet Yan plays this year for the Jags
(04-24-2020, 06:49 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (04-24-2020, 06:43 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]Since DC arrived, there have been abut 6-7 Pro Bowl players drafted by this team. Their status follows...
Allen Robinson: not extended by the team. Left via free agency
Telvin Smith-Got a second contract. Retired after one year under his new deal for unknown reasons. has criticized the FO since.
Jalen Ramsey-Traded away.
Yannick Ngakoue-Wanted a new deal and did not get one. Now wants to be traded and has tried to burn every bridge to achieve that result.
DJ Chark just got here two years ago
Josh Allen-just got here last year
You can't have any kind of sustained winning when you let talent like this leave, especially of you don't have a franchise QB that you are paying. When you add poor player development to the mix (warhop)...one winning season in the last 12 years is what you get.
Out of the 2 players that left, A Rob is the only one I think we should regret letting go. It was Highway robbery for what we got for Ramsey and Smith hasnt been right since Poz left. Yan is still here and has the worst agent in all of sports and is realizing he made a huge mistake in not taking the money last year, more than any other team would be willing to give him. I bet Yan plays this year for the Jags
If Yan comes to his senses, fires his agent and re-signs with us, then the record isn't so bad. If Yan stays, the Chaisson pick becomes a way of replicating the 2017 edge rusher rotation.
But to have Yan leave, on top of all of the other guys is NOT conducive to winning.