(08-27-2020, 04:36 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]White Lives Matter? Will we see this on CNN?
https://www.foxnews.com/us/south-carolin...e-driveway
The fact that he is alive and in custody should disprove any notion of systemic racism throughout law enforcement.
My opinion is that the sub human should be euthanized asap.
(08-27-2020, 09:14 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]There's two sides to BLM, the civil rights side and the radical political side. Unfortunately it's difficult to distinguish between the two because they won't formally organize to present a unified position and face accountability. So now we have this nebulous entity which is attempting to achieve positive change but doesn't have the credible authority to categorically denounce those who perform heinous acts in their name.
If BLM won't make the attempt to officially organize and codify their position, they can't be accepted as legitimate.
If any org upholding rights of African Americans should be supported by any person or corporation, it should be the NAACP, who effected change with non violence protest. Not the BLM thugs, who are more about Nation of Islam tactics than Dr. MLK and peaceful resistance. That said, you are right on in your assessment, but its prob too far gone for BLM. They need to rebrand.
This is civil war, we are in civil war.
He managed to do it in 4 years, divide and conquer (well really Putin managed to do it)
(08-27-2020, 06:26 PM)MojoKing Wrote: [ -> ]This is civil war, we are in civil war.
He managed to do it in 4 years, divide and conquer (well really Putin managed to do it)
The good news is, these hyped-up divisions are mostly BS. local governments aren't really sticking their neck out for either side, neither side has any homogeneous regional base, and the corporations that actually make the guns and ammo don't want to see a fight of any kind in this country.
Sherman had to march all the way to Savannah to break the Confederate will. since we're not really talking about anything as fundamental as whether some human beings are allowed to own other human beings, I really think this could all be smooth over with some kind words and some reforms.
(08-27-2020, 05:37 PM)The Drifter Wrote: [ -> ] (08-27-2020, 04:36 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]White Lives Matter? Will we see this on CNN?
https://www.foxnews.com/us/south-carolin...e-driveway
Another senseless killing by another brainless thug. It doesn't fit the narrative to make the MSM news cycle
And the killer is facing charges and sleeping in prison. So what is there to protest, exactly?
(08-27-2020, 06:26 PM)MojoKing Wrote: [ -> ]This is civil war, we are in civil war.
He managed to do it in 4 years, divide and conquer (well really Putin managed to do it)
It's cute you think what you are seeing is war. Absolutely friggin clueless.
(08-27-2020, 06:50 PM)Jagwired Wrote: [ -> ] (08-27-2020, 06:26 PM)MojoKing Wrote: [ -> ]This is civil war, we are in civil war.
He managed to do it in 4 years, divide and conquer (well really Putin managed to do it)
It's cute you think what you are seeing is war. Absolutely friggin clueless.
How is this not a war rooted in ideology?
How do you not see our country is divided?
That we can’t agree on anything?
An extreme polarity in ideology is the root of every war that’s ever existed.
(08-27-2020, 07:48 PM)MojoKing Wrote: [ -> ] (08-27-2020, 06:50 PM)Jagwired Wrote: [ -> ]It's cute you think what you are seeing is war. Absolutely friggin clueless.
How is this not a war rooted in ideology?
How do you not see our country is divided?
That we can’t agree on anything?
An extreme polarity in ideology is the root of every war that’s ever existed.
It seems like that but things were worse in the late 60s and early 70s. Bombings, kidnappings, hijackings and cop killings happened with seeming regularity. Those were truly crazy times. Everything will shake out after the elections and a vaccine is found. The secret is to not let events affect one too personally. I'll start getting worried if the violence becomes widespread. It won't.
(08-27-2020, 08:00 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (08-27-2020, 07:48 PM)MojoKing Wrote: [ -> ]How is this not a war rooted in ideology?
How do you not see our country is divided?
That we can’t agree on anything?
An extreme polarity in ideology is the root of every war that’s ever existed.
It seems like that but things were worse in the late 60s and early 70s. Bombings, kidnappings, hijackings and cop killings happened with seeming regularity. Those were truly crazy times. Everything will shake out after the elections and a vaccine is found. The secret is to not let events affect one too personally. I'll start getting worried if the violence becomes widespread. It won't.
Well as long as we can agree we don’t want to kill each other then that’s at least a stable foundation on which growth is possible. Yay for silver linings.
Like Hawkeye Pierce said, lets invite everyone to a big cocktail party and the last one standing wins
(08-27-2020, 06:20 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ] (08-27-2020, 09:14 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]There's two sides to BLM, the civil rights side and the radical political side. Unfortunately it's difficult to distinguish between the two because they won't formally organize to present a unified position and face accountability. So now we have this nebulous entity which is attempting to achieve positive change but doesn't have the credible authority to categorically denounce those who perform heinous acts in their name.
If BLM won't make the attempt to officially organize and codify their position, they can't be accepted as legitimate.
If any org upholding rights of African Americans should be supported by any person or corporation, it should be the NAACP, who effected change with non violence protest. Not the BLM thugs, who are more about Nation of Islam tactics than Dr. MLK and peaceful resistance. That said, you are right on in your assessment, but its prob too far gone for BLM. They need to rebrand.
You might want to revisit the civil rights movement and the role physical disobedience against the forces that be played in it. At the time white politicians and clergyman called MLK "too aggressive" and "too dangerous" as he openly courted confrontation. There's also a clear change in philosophy from early MLK to later years MLK.
effective protests are not "peaceful"
(08-27-2020, 08:42 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (08-27-2020, 06:20 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ]If any org upholding rights of African Americans should be supported by any person or corporation, it should be the NAACP, who effected change with non violence protest. Not the BLM thugs, who are more about Nation of Islam tactics than Dr. MLK and peaceful resistance. That said, you are right on in your assessment, but its prob too far gone for BLM. They need to rebrand.
You might want to revisit the civil rights movement and the role physical disobedience against the forces that be played in it. At the time white politicians and clergyman called MLK "too aggressive" and "too dangerous" as he openly courted confrontation. There's also a clear change in philosophy from early MLK to later years MLK.
effective protests are not "peaceful"
Did MLK and the Southern Leadership Conference riot, loot, steal and attack the police and others when protesting? No. Did they resist when being arrested? No. Did they attack when attacked by dogs, fire hoses, and terror from the KKK? No. They were attacked by all the 'powers that be' , and they prevailed. I dont need to 'revisit' the civil rights movement, I lived thru it. Thru busing, race riots and marches at my schools. I didnt read it from a book or from Wikipedia, i was in the middle of it. While i appreciate your opinion, i respectfully disagree. 'Fiery protests' solve nothing and just further divide.
(08-27-2020, 09:43 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ] (08-27-2020, 08:42 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]You might want to revisit the civil rights movement and the role physical disobedience against the forces that be played in it. At the time white politicians and clergyman called MLK "too aggressive" and "too dangerous" as he openly courted confrontation. There's also a clear change in philosophy from early MLK to later years MLK.
effective protests are not "peaceful"
Did MLK and the Southern Leadership Conference riot, loot, steal and attack the police and others when protesting? No. Did they resist when being arrested? No. Did they attack when attacked by dogs, fire hoses, and terror from the KKK? No. They were attacked by all the 'powers that be' , and they prevailed. I dont need to 'revisit' the civil rights movement, I lived thru it. Thru busing, race riots and marches at my schools. I didnt read it from a book or from Wikipedia, i was in the middle of it. While i appreciate your opinion, i respectfully disagree. 'Fiery protests' solve nothing and just further divide.
MLK kept himself and the people in his marches peaceful and unarmed, even though they did violate police orders, like "you can't be here" and "don't cross that bridge." But MLK's demonstrations created enough tensions that there were often riots after he left or a few blocks over from where he was. The media at the time didn't miss that fact. If you read letter from a Birmingham jail, you will see him responding to the accusation that he creates "fiery protests" even though his own protests were not fiery.
(08-27-2020, 08:24 PM)MojoKing Wrote: [ -> ] (08-27-2020, 08:00 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]It seems like that but things were worse in the late 60s and early 70s. Bombings, kidnappings, hijackings and cop killings happened with seeming regularity. Those were truly crazy times. Everything will shake out after the elections and a vaccine is found. The secret is to not let events affect one too personally. I'll start getting worried if the violence becomes widespread. It won't.
Well as long as we can agree we don’t want to kill each other then that’s at least a stable foundation on which growth is possible. Yay for silver linings.
You and I can agree to that, lots of people aren't going to. Frankly there's a ton of Marxists I want to meet their end, and soon.
If you didn't see the video, his parents called BLM out on CNN for all this crap. His mom even apologized to Trump for another family member saying whatever was said.
I bet CNN was pissed after that.
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(08-27-2020, 09:43 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ] (08-27-2020, 08:42 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]You might want to revisit the civil rights movement and the role physical disobedience against the forces that be played in it. At the time white politicians and clergyman called MLK "too aggressive" and "too dangerous" as he openly courted confrontation. There's also a clear change in philosophy from early MLK to later years MLK.
effective protests are not "peaceful"
Did MLK and the Southern Leadership Conference riot, loot, steal and attack the police and others when protesting? No. Did they resist when being arrested? No. Did they attack when attacked by dogs, fire hoses, and terror from the KKK? No. They were attacked by all the 'powers that be' , and they prevailed. I dont need to 'revisit' the civil rights movement, I lived thru it. Thru busing, race riots and marches at my schools. I didnt read it from a book or from Wikipedia, i was in the middle of it. While i appreciate your opinion, i respectfully disagree. 'Fiery protests' solve nothing and just further divide.
MLK and his allies did in fact aim to be confronted by police and cause a ruckus. They were often met with fierce opposition and violence which they wholeheartedly faced up to and caused mass commotion. This was planned and talked about.
I'm not sure where you were during all of this but I'm amazed you think civil rights progression happened due to people protesting within the rules of the time and within what authority allowed them to do.
Part of the whitewashing if MLK is portraying him as a peace loving man who just wasn't civil rights to progress via standing around abiding by the law and *waiting* for things to change.
