(08-29-2020, 10:48 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (08-29-2020, 05:27 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]You don't know any of the reasons behind the riots or the actual facts of what led up to it though. You came in with a bias and like people on the right and left, you only believe the things that you hear which fit your narrative. Things aren't always black and white. Most things have a lot of gray areas that people just overlook.
What are you talking about? What 'facts' have I missed that you have seen but I haven't?
You're as useless in here as you are on the football side of things
Useless? That's rich coming from a foreigner who knows nothing about life in America or the laws of the country, much less individual states. The only thing you do on this board is blame cops for everything. Never mind the fact that you come from a left wing liberal country where police aren't faced with the prospect of dying every day, because some low-life criminal might decide to open fire on them for something as insignificant as a traffic stop, (this has happened many, many times.) Cops have to make split second decisions and if they are wrong, it could mean they die. Criminals who disobey police orders put themselves in positions to be shot. All they have to do is comply with the rules. Don't run from cops. If you do, it is assumed you are doing something wrong and EVERYONE with an ounce of common sense knows not to make any sudden movements, because you could be reaching for a weapon. Despite common sense though, people still do it and when tragedy happens, who gets blamed? The cops do. They get labeled murderers even though it could be them laying dead if they didn't take action.
Like it or not, we have the 2nd amendment in this country which means the majority of the population own guns. We also have a large criminal element which has them illegally and in many cases the gangs here, have better and more effective weapons than the police do. There is nothing we can do about that though. That ship has sailed. We simply have to deal with the cards we have now and that means cops are in CONSTANT danger. This is America, not Ireland. Americans face a whole different set of issues than you do in your ultra liberal nation, yet you constantly spout off like you know how to fix all of our problems and it seems as though it always starts with blaming the police. Police do A LOT more good than bad. 90% of police are good people. There are bad ones, like in any profession, but you seem to lump them all together, much like how racists lump all black people together. How about judging each situation on it's own merits before blaming police in a country you don't even live in? Stick to the football forum or better yet, go find a hurling forum. You probably are a lot more familiar with that, being Irish.
(08-29-2020, 11:41 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (08-29-2020, 10:48 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]What are you talking about? What 'facts' have I missed that you have seen but I haven't?
You're as useless in here as you are on the football side of things
Useless? That's rich coming from a foreigner who knows nothing about life in America or the laws of the country, much less individual states. The only thing you do on this board is blame cops for everything. Never mind the fact that you come from a left wing liberal country where police aren't faced with the prospect of dying every day, because some low-life criminal might decide to open fire on them for something as insignificant as a traffic stop, (this has happened many, many times.) Cops have to make split second decisions and if they are wrong, it could mean they die. Criminals who disobey police orders put themselves in positions to be shot. All they have to do is comply with the rules. Don't run from cops. If you do, it is assumed you are doing something wrong and EVERYONE with an ounce of common sense knows not to make any sudden movements, because you could be reaching for a weapon. Despite common sense though, people still do it and when tragedy happens, who gets blamed? The cops do. They get labeled murderers even though it could be them laying dead if they didn't take action.
Like it or not, we have the 2nd amendment in this country which means the majority of the population own guns. We also have a large criminal element which has them illegally and in many cases the gangs here, have better and more effective weapons than the police do. There is nothing we can do about that though. That ship has sailed. We simply have to deal with the cards we have now and that means cops are in CONSTANT danger. This is America, not Ireland. Americans face a whole different set of issues than you do in your ultra liberal nation, yet you constantly spout off like you know how to fix all of our problems and it seems as though it always starts with blaming the police. Police do A LOT more good than bad. 90% of police are good people. There are bad ones, like in any profession, but you seem to lump them all together, much like how racists lump all black people together. How about judging each situation on it's own merits before blaming police in a country you don't even live in? Stick to the football forum or better yet, go find a hurling forum. You probably are a lot more familiar with that, being Irish.
Thank you for the paragraph of things about America which are incredibly obvious and discussed plenty in here, including by myself.
There's numerous cases of people "complying" with police who are still abused by the law and simply not complying with the law doesn't (read shouldn't) give police the right to execute humans.
Also im laughing so hard at the irony of you saying racists lump all black people together when you said Christian McCaffrey was going to bust because he was a white running back. Pretty much the definition of pot calling kettle black....if you will pardon the pun!
(08-29-2020, 12:31 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (08-29-2020, 11:41 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Useless? That's rich coming from a foreigner who knows nothing about life in America or the laws of the country, much less individual states. The only thing you do on this board is blame cops for everything. Never mind the fact that you come from a left wing liberal country where police aren't faced with the prospect of dying every day, because some low-life criminal might decide to open fire on them for something as insignificant as a traffic stop, (this has happened many, many times.) Cops have to make split second decisions and if they are wrong, it could mean they die. Criminals who disobey police orders put themselves in positions to be shot. All they have to do is comply with the rules. Don't run from cops. If you do, it is assumed you are doing something wrong and EVERYONE with an ounce of common sense knows not to make any sudden movements, because you could be reaching for a weapon. Despite common sense though, people still do it and when tragedy happens, who gets blamed? The cops do. They get labeled murderers even though it could be them laying dead if they didn't take action.
Like it or not, we have the 2nd amendment in this country which means the majority of the population own guns. We also have a large criminal element which has them illegally and in many cases the gangs here, have better and more effective weapons than the police do. There is nothing we can do about that though. That ship has sailed. We simply have to deal with the cards we have now and that means cops are in CONSTANT danger. This is America, not Ireland. Americans face a whole different set of issues than you do in your ultra liberal nation, yet you constantly spout off like you know how to fix all of our problems and it seems as though it always starts with blaming the police. Police do A LOT more good than bad. 90% of police are good people. There are bad ones, like in any profession, but you seem to lump them all together, much like how racists lump all black people together. How about judging each situation on it's own merits before blaming police in a country you don't even live in? Stick to the football forum or better yet, go find a hurling forum. You probably are a lot more familiar with that, being Irish.
Thank you for the paragraph of things about America which are incredibly obvious and discussed plenty in here, including by myself.
There's numerous cases of people "complying" with police who are still abused by the law and simply not complying with the law doesn't (read shouldn't) give police the right to execute humans.
Also im laughing so hard at the irony of you saying racists lump all black people together when you said Christian McCaffrey was going to bust because he was a white running back. Pretty much the definition of pot calling kettle black....if you will pardon the pun!
Nothing about this is obvious. These are complicated issues that only the most arrogant people on the right and the left (you), believe is obvious, because it fits your narrative of how you believe life should be. It is through that arrogance that you constantly spout off about things that fit your beliefs.
Tell me, what exactly is "numerous?" Police deal with dangerous situations in many cases, multiple times a day. Yet there has only been a handful of incidents that have been brought to the forefront of the media. Accidents do happen anytime you have high pressure situations. Never mind the fact that the United States has the third largest population on Earth. Are there some bad cops? Of course there are, but the size ratio of those bad apples are extremely small compared to the overall police force in this country. In the U.S. the media likes to take horrific things and blow them up to make them look more common than they actually are. It gets them ratings by spreading fear. All of our news outlets do it, in many cases to fit their own narrative. Whether it be CNN, MSNBC, Fox or whatever. They all have agendas and twist things to fit their ideals. That is something you obviously don't know about the United States.
As far as not complying with police, what is your solution Mr. genius? Are the cops supposed to do nothing and risk getting killed themselves? That's asinine! Criminals here aren't like the criminals in Ireland. Our bad guys are armed the majority of the time. Cops have to assume the criminals they are after have guns, because they usually do. So according to you, the cops are supposed to just be human targets for the bad guys, because we can't go around killing criminals who break the law, flee from justice and try to reach for unknown objects which could turn out to be dangerous weapons? That's a great idea! Why didn't we think of that? I guess we just needed an Irish man to show us how to run our justice system. Maybe instead of arming our cops with guns and tasers, we should just throw potatoes at the criminals.
(08-29-2020, 01:39 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (08-29-2020, 12:31 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Thank you for the paragraph of things about America which are incredibly obvious and discussed plenty in here, including by myself.
There's numerous cases of people "complying" with police who are still abused by the law and simply not complying with the law doesn't (read shouldn't) give police the right to execute humans.
Also im laughing so hard at the irony of you saying racists lump all black people together when you said Christian McCaffrey was going to bust because he was a white running back. Pretty much the definition of pot calling kettle black....if you will pardon the pun!
Nothing about this is obvious. These are complicated issues that only the most arrogant people on the right and the left (you), believe is obvious, because it fits your narrative of how you believe life should be. It is through that arrogance that you constantly spout off about things that fit your beliefs.
Tell me, what exactly is "numerous?" Police deal with dangerous situations in many cases, multiple times a day. Yet there has only been a handful of incidents that have been brought to the forefront of the media. Accidents do happen anytime you have high pressure situations. Never mind the fact that the United States has the third largest population on Earth. Are there some bad cops? Of course there are, but the size ratio of those bad apples are extremely small compared to the overall police force in this country. In the U.S. the media likes to take horrific things and blow them up to make them look more common than they actually are. It gets them ratings by spreading fear. All of our news outlets do it, in many cases to fit their own narrative. Whether it be CNN, MSNBC, Fox or whatever. They all have agendas and twist things to fit their ideals. That is something you obviously don't know about the United States.
As far as not complying with police, what is your solution Mr. genius? Are the cops supposed to do nothing and risk getting killed themselves? That's asinine! Criminals here aren't like the criminals in Ireland. Our bad guys are armed the majority of the time. Cops have to assume the criminals they are after have guns, because they usually do. So according to you, the cops are supposed to just be human targets for the bad guys, because we can't go around killing criminals who break the law, flee from justice and try to reach for unknown objects which could turn out to be dangerous weapons? That's a great idea! Why didn't we think of that? I guess we just needed an Irish man to show us how to run our justice system. Maybe instead of arming our cops with guns and tasers, we should just throw potatoes at the criminals.
Buddy I don't watch any of your news and actively avoid the clearly partisan fox, CNN and numerous other entities people watch in here. And have mentioned that numerous times too so I'm not sure why you think it's new information. Maybe you don't frequent the politics section enough.
How about for starters police shouldn't be shooting unarmed citizens simply for not complying to their rules. Secondly having actual consequences for poor police behavior by getting rid of qualified immunity and having actual removals handled much more sensitively and less tolerance of "bad cops" (which unions advocate for keeping in the force) would help regain some trust. Thirdly the entire manual on how to handle protests needs to be re-written. A fun fact is the rubber bullets they use were designed to be shot at the ground, except US police choose to fire them directly at protestors. Also tear gas being so prominent in protest dispersal only rules up the crowd.
Also laughing at your comment about an Irish man showing you how to run your justice system. Look up the history of American policing and protest control and check the nationality of arguably the most prominent figure in it.
Ps the potatoe jibes are so 1990s, about time you left that decade
Fun fact. If police stopped using rubber bullets and started using lead at the protesters rioters this [BLEEP] would come to a stop real quick. Another fun fact. If democrat officials stopped releasing the protesters rioters that are arrested and instead give them hard jail time the [BLEEP] would stop. Yet another fun fact, if the protesters rioters stopped destroying property and assaulting police officers, they probably wouldn't suffer the harsh consequences.
(08-29-2020, 02:14 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (08-29-2020, 01:39 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Nothing about this is obvious. These are complicated issues that only the most arrogant people on the right and the left (you), believe is obvious, because it fits your narrative of how you believe life should be. It is through that arrogance that you constantly spout off about things that fit your beliefs.
Tell me, what exactly is "numerous?" Police deal with dangerous situations in many cases, multiple times a day. Yet there has only been a handful of incidents that have been brought to the forefront of the media. Accidents do happen anytime you have high pressure situations. Never mind the fact that the United States has the third largest population on Earth. Are there some bad cops? Of course there are, but the size ratio of those bad apples are extremely small compared to the overall police force in this country. In the U.S. the media likes to take horrific things and blow them up to make them look more common than they actually are. It gets them ratings by spreading fear. All of our news outlets do it, in many cases to fit their own narrative. Whether it be CNN, MSNBC, Fox or whatever. They all have agendas and twist things to fit their ideals. That is something you obviously don't know about the United States.
As far as not complying with police, what is your solution Mr. genius? Are the cops supposed to do nothing and risk getting killed themselves? That's asinine! Criminals here aren't like the criminals in Ireland. Our bad guys are armed the majority of the time. Cops have to assume the criminals they are after have guns, because they usually do. So according to you, the cops are supposed to just be human targets for the bad guys, because we can't go around killing criminals who break the law, flee from justice and try to reach for unknown objects which could turn out to be dangerous weapons? That's a great idea! Why didn't we think of that? I guess we just needed an Irish man to show us how to run our justice system. Maybe instead of arming our cops with guns and tasers, we should just throw potatoes at the criminals.
Buddy I don't watch any of your news and actively avoid the clearly partisan fox, CNN and numerous other entities people watch in here. And have mentioned that numerous times too so I'm not sure why you think it's new information. Maybe you don't frequent the politics section enough.
How about for starters police shouldn't be shooting unarmed citizens simply for not complying to their rules. Secondly having actual consequences for poor police behavior by getting rid of qualified immunity and having actual removals handled much more sensitively and less tolerance of "bad cops" (which unions advocate for keeping in the force) would help regain some trust. Thirdly the entire manual on how to handle protests needs to be re-written. A fun fact is the rubber bullets they use were designed to be shot at the ground, except US police choose to fire them directly at protestors. Also tear gas being so prominent in protest dispersal only rules up the crowd.
Also laughing at your comment about an Irish man showing you how to run your justice system. Look up the history of American policing and protest control and check the nationality of arguably the most prominent figure in it.
Ps the potatoe jibes are so 1990s, about time you left that decade
How are the police supposed to know these people are unarmed??????????????? You have yet to explain this. If a criminal is fleeing and reaching into his pocket or wherever, how is a cop supposed to make a split second judgement and know that criminal isn't reaching for a gun? None of the arguments you make are valid unless you can tell me how a cop is supposed to know if a person is unarmed. Again, this isn't Ireland. The vast majority of our criminals are armed.
It doesn't matter about the nationality of the prominent figures in the American justice system. They lived here and experienced what being a police officer is all about. You don't.
As for the potato comment, that was low hanging fruit. I'll change that to heads of cabbage.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/kenosha-c...shot-first
Someone else fired a shot moments before the 1st guy was killed. The protestor also grab the barrel of the gun when the gun was pointed in a ready but down position (i.e. he wasn't going to shoot at that point but ready if needed) before he was shot per another protestor, which makes this an easy self defense case.
The other shootings were while he was being attacked.
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(08-29-2020, 03:07 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.dailywire.com/news/kenosha-c...shot-first
Someone else fired a shot moments before the 1st guy was killed. The protestor also grab the barrel of the gun when the gun was pointed in a ready but down position (i.e. he wasn't going to shoot at that point but ready if needed) before he was shot per another protestor, which makes this an easy self defense case.
The other shootings were while he was being attacked.
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It's not even disputable. There is a 30 minute video someone posted of a girl filming for a long time that rebukes Kyle was out to cause harm.
He will get off, and the survivor will need to learn how to get off with his left hand.
Look at the soulless eyes of those 3 guys. George Soros got them young.
(08-29-2020, 02:38 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (08-29-2020, 02:14 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Buddy I don't watch any of your news and actively avoid the clearly partisan fox, CNN and numerous other entities people watch in here. And have mentioned that numerous times too so I'm not sure why you think it's new information. Maybe you don't frequent the politics section enough.
How about for starters police shouldn't be shooting unarmed citizens simply for not complying to their rules. Secondly having actual consequences for poor police behavior by getting rid of qualified immunity and having actual removals handled much more sensitively and less tolerance of "bad cops" (which unions advocate for keeping in the force) would help regain some trust. Thirdly the entire manual on how to handle protests needs to be re-written. A fun fact is the rubber bullets they use were designed to be shot at the ground, except US police choose to fire them directly at protestors. Also tear gas being so prominent in protest dispersal only rules up the crowd.
Also laughing at your comment about an Irish man showing you how to run your justice system. Look up the history of American policing and protest control and check the nationality of arguably the most prominent figure in it.
Ps the potatoe jibes are so 1990s, about time you left that decade
How are the police supposed to know these people are unarmed??????????????? You have yet to explain this. If a criminal is fleeing and reaching into his pocket or wherever, how is a cop supposed to make a split second judgement and know that criminal isn't reaching for a gun? None of the arguments you make are valid unless you can tell me how a cop is supposed to know if a person is unarmed. Again, this isn't Ireland. The vast majority of our criminals are armed.
It doesn't matter about the nationality of the prominent figures in the American justice system. They lived here and experienced what being a police officer is all about. You don't.
As for the potato comment, that was low hanging fruit. I'll change that to heads of cabbage.
Theres been two high profile killings in the last month where the subject was unarmed and executed by police. Ones where they knew they were unarmed so your thought process does not follow. Their job is not to kill anyone who may escape unarmed or go against arrest.
I said it was funny you'd bring it up without knowing the history.
(08-29-2020, 03:35 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (08-29-2020, 02:38 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]How are the police supposed to know these people are unarmed??????????????? You have yet to explain this. If a criminal is fleeing and reaching into his pocket or wherever, how is a cop supposed to make a split second judgement and know that criminal isn't reaching for a gun? None of the arguments you make are valid unless you can tell me how a cop is supposed to know if a person is unarmed. Again, this isn't Ireland. The vast majority of our criminals are armed.
It doesn't matter about the nationality of the prominent figures in the American justice system. They lived here and experienced what being a police officer is all about. You don't.
As for the potato comment, that was low hanging fruit. I'll change that to heads of cabbage.
Theres been two high profile killings in the last month where the subject was unarmed and executed by police. Ones where they knew they were unarmed so your thought process does not follow. Their job is not to kill anyone who may escape unarmed or go against arrest.
I said it was funny you'd bring it up without knowing the history.
Can you point those out? I certainly didn't see a story about either.
(08-29-2020, 02:38 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (08-29-2020, 02:14 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Buddy I don't watch any of your news and actively avoid the clearly partisan fox, CNN and numerous other entities people watch in here. And have mentioned that numerous times too so I'm not sure why you think it's new information. Maybe you don't frequent the politics section enough.
How about for starters police shouldn't be shooting unarmed citizens simply for not complying to their rules. Secondly having actual consequences for poor police behavior by getting rid of qualified immunity and having actual removals handled much more sensitively and less tolerance of "bad cops" (which unions advocate for keeping in the force) would help regain some trust. Thirdly the entire manual on how to handle protests needs to be re-written. A fun fact is the rubber bullets they use were designed to be shot at the ground, except US police choose to fire them directly at protestors. Also tear gas being so prominent in protest dispersal only rules up the crowd.
Also laughing at your comment about an Irish man showing you how to run your justice system. Look up the history of American policing and protest control and check the nationality of arguably the most prominent figure in it.
Ps the potatoe jibes are so 1990s, about time you left that decade
How are the police supposed to know these people are unarmed??????????????? You have yet to explain this. If a criminal is fleeing and reaching into his pocket or wherever, how is a cop supposed to make a split second judgement and know that criminal isn't reaching for a gun? None of the arguments you make are valid unless you can tell me how a cop is supposed to know if a person is unarmed. Again, this isn't Ireland. The vast majority of our criminals are armed.
It doesn't matter about the nationality of the prominent figures in the American justice system. They lived here and experienced what being a police officer is all about. You don't.
As for the potato comment, that was low hanging fruit. I'll change that to heads of cabbage.
In my best J-Dub voice...
A potato is not a fruit it's a root.
(08-29-2020, 03:44 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ] (08-29-2020, 02:38 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]How are the police supposed to know these people are unarmed??????????????? You have yet to explain this. If a criminal is fleeing and reaching into his pocket or wherever, how is a cop supposed to make a split second judgement and know that criminal isn't reaching for a gun? None of the arguments you make are valid unless you can tell me how a cop is supposed to know if a person is unarmed. Again, this isn't Ireland. The vast majority of our criminals are armed.
It doesn't matter about the nationality of the prominent figures in the American justice system. They lived here and experienced what being a police officer is all about. You don't.
As for the potato comment, that was low hanging fruit. I'll change that to heads of cabbage.
In my best J-Dub voice...
A potato is not a fruit it's a root.
In the best voice of J-Dub's mom:
It's a tuber, not a root.
(08-29-2020, 04:10 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (08-29-2020, 03:44 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]In my best J-Dub voice...
A potato is not a fruit it's a root.
In the best voice of J-Dub's mom:
It's a tuber, not a root.
Tuber just sounds.... so dirty.
In Sunday's incident, Blake was "armed with a knife" and "forcefully fought" with officers, putting one of them in a headlock, Brendan Matthews, an attorney for the Kenosha Professional Police Association, said Friday, according to Kenosha News.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/kenosha-polic...e-shooting
Isn't it amazing how the left convinces their Useful Idiots to take to the streets defending the scum of the Earth? Then they turn around and vilify ordinary people exercising their rights. There's a poignant statement in a holy book about how the last days will see evil called good and good called evil, if we could discuss such a thing here it would be an interesting take on the philosophies of propaganda.
(08-29-2020, 03:35 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (08-29-2020, 02:38 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]How are the police supposed to know these people are unarmed??????????????? You have yet to explain this. If a criminal is fleeing and reaching into his pocket or wherever, how is a cop supposed to make a split second judgement and know that criminal isn't reaching for a gun? None of the arguments you make are valid unless you can tell me how a cop is supposed to know if a person is unarmed. Again, this isn't Ireland. The vast majority of our criminals are armed.
It doesn't matter about the nationality of the prominent figures in the American justice system. They lived here and experienced what being a police officer is all about. You don't.
As for the potato comment, that was low hanging fruit. I'll change that to heads of cabbage.
Theres been two high profile killings in the last month where the subject was unarmed and executed by police. Ones where they knew they were unarmed so your thought process does not follow. Their job is not to kill anyone who may escape unarmed or go against arrest.
I said it was funny you'd bring it up without knowing the history.
Name them.
Jacob Blake, the case that recently set off the the most recent firestorm, was a classic case of someone disobeying police. He was tazed, yet still continued to flee and reached into the car, leaving police no choice but to fire on him. They don't know what he was reaching for.
We had a case here in Cincinnati on the 11th where a man was observed breaking the law. When approached, he tried to flee and was tazed, but continued to fight with officers and since they didn't know if he was armed and he continued to fight, they were left with no choice but to shoot him.
In Chicago, the criminal was fleeing and tried to run over a police officer with his car. The police gave chase and the criminal continued to flee. They didn't know if the guy had a gun, but since he nearly ran over an officer, he obviously was dangerous. No one knows what happened, because the body cam footage only shows when the one cop shot at the criminal in the car, when he attempted to hit the other officer. When the chase was on foot, we loose visual as the events took place behind a wooden fence, but several shots can be heard. The cops said they were being shot at.
Those were the cases. All justifiable. What are you referring to?