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(08-25-2020, 12:45 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]So it’s the police officers fault that he did not simply comply.  Got it.

That's not what I said.
An event can have multiple causes.

(08-25-2020, 12:45 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]So it’s the police officers fault that he did not simply comply. Got it.

Now he wants cops to bring back batons and beat the criminals in the legs and ribs so they can't get up.

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Whenever there's a circular argument, you can find Miksez at all points.

What's going to happen when a business/home owner has had enough and starts putting bullets in rioters heads?

I guess they could have put a knee on his neck to prevent him from getting up while they applied the cuffs, oh wait.... If one of them had only put him in a choke hold while they got him under control, dang...

You see it doesn't matter what tactic the police use. At some point something is bound to go wrong, and there will be someone with a cell phone to catch it. That's the funny thing about criminals and drug addicts, they don't want to go to jail. If they would just comply, or better yet OBEY THE LAW, this kind of thing would not be an issue.

(08-25-2020, 01:06 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]What's going to happen when a business/home owner has had enough and starts putting bullets in rioters heads?

I honestly hope it never comes to that. As infuriating as these little antifa pinheads can be, it's not worthy of losing a life. It's not a place this country wants or needs to go.

Just proof that capitalism is the problem, eh comrades?

(08-25-2020, 01:11 PM)MyBloodIsTeal Wrote: [ -> ]I guess they could have put a knee on his neck to prevent him from getting up while they applied the cuffs, oh wait....  If one of them had only put him in a choke hold while they got him under control, dang...

You see it doesn't matter what tactic the police use.  At some point something is bound to go wrong, and there will be someone with a cell phone to catch it.  That's the funny thing about criminals and drug addicts, they don't want to go to jail.  If they would just comply, or better yet OBEY THE LAW, this kind of thing would not be an issue.

1) knees between the shoulder blades and below should be enough to get cuffs on.
2) it does not take 9 minutes to apply cuffs.

Your post is text book argument ad absurdum.  I didn't say tackling or hand to hand would solve everything for the cops.  I did say it would ha e solved this situation.  If you take any argument to absurd lengths, the argument becomes ridiculous.  Doesn't mean the original argument was ridiculous.

(08-25-2020, 01:12 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-25-2020, 01:06 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]What's going to happen when a business/home owner has had enough and starts putting bullets in rioters heads?

I honestly hope it never comes to that. As infuriating as these little antifa pinheads can be, it's not worthy of losing a life. It's not a place this country wants or needs to go.

Totally agree.... but...

There's a reason it's not happening in the South... it's happening in the most liberal places in the country. Rioting against the people they themselves have elected for 50 years.

(08-25-2020, 09:30 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-25-2020, 09:06 AM)jj82284 Wrote: [ -> ]They did try to tackle him. 

Right before Blake gets to the drivers side door, the closest officer does look like he's trying to grab Blake.
But that officer already had his gun drawn before he closed.  Tactically that's stupid. A wrestling match where one party already has a gun out pretty much has to end in shots. 

Was any attempt made to tackle him before he starts to walk around his car?

Let's not pretend you know what should or shouldn't happen here--tactically speaking. If he had a knife, as was suggested by them yelling as much, then you don't holster your weapon. 

(08-25-2020, 12:40 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-25-2020, 11:48 AM)jj82284 Wrote: [ -> ]4 minutes in

Thanks for letting me know. I see it now.
It's either two or three cops, struggling on the ground with the one suspect.
That suspect should have never gotten up without handcuffs on.
then after he gets up, he just casually walks by an officer who has his gun drawn, that officer doesn't do anything.
If the cops had done their job right, he would still be alive.

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(08-25-2020, 12:00 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]Why bother? He didn't watch the video, then asked for a time stamp so he can do as little work as possible. He's such a disingenuous poster.

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He'll go watch the time stamp, then come back with some song and dance about how they didn't actually tackle him or he wouldn't be able to get up and walk to his car. Or he'll get into a semantics argument about the definition of tackle.

Go easy man. Not everyone does this stuff for a living. There are other things I have to do with my day in order to earn money

It's easy for someone that's never struggled to handcuff a non-compliant person to say how it should have happened. Believe it or not, sometimes they're able to get out of your control even when you do it right. Besides, if he had a knife, you don't want to struggle with him on the ground anyway. Is he alive if the cops did their "job right" or is he alive if he didn't reach into a vehicle after fighting the police? If we're going to blame someone, blame the person that decided to stupidly reach into a vehicle when cops are pointing guns at him. I don't suppose it matters to you because you have a narrative you're trying to create.

(08-25-2020, 01:25 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-25-2020, 01:11 PM)MyBloodIsTeal Wrote: [ -> ]I guess they could have put a knee on his neck to prevent him from getting up while they applied the cuffs, oh wait....  If one of them had only put him in a choke hold while they got him under control, dang...

You see it doesn't matter what tactic the police use.  At some point something is bound to go wrong, and there will be someone with a cell phone to catch it.  That's the funny thing about criminals and drug addicts, they don't want to go to jail.  If they would just comply, or better yet OBEY THE LAW, this kind of thing would not be an issue.

1) knees between the shoulder blades and below should be enough to get cuffs on.
2) it does not take 9 minutes to apply cuffs.

Your post is text book argument ad absurdum.  I didn't say tackling or hand to hand would solve everything for the cops.  I did say it would ha e solved this situation.  If you take any argument to absurd lengths, the argument becomes ridiculous.  Doesn't mean the original argument was ridiculous.

So... did you watch the full 37 minute video of that case?

He kicked himself out of the police vehicle, after being assured they would roll down the windows, sit with him and have the AC at full blast........ I know from personal experience JSO would have just beat his [BLEEP] and thrown him in.

Ha, just reminded me of a funny time from my youth.. me and my friend were drunk and being really stupid... walked up to a drive thru and tried to get food... unbeknownst to us, they called the cops who came, cuffed us and sat us at the curb as they tried to find out what was happening... my friend kept moving his wrists from behind his back, under his legs to put his hands in front of him... after the third time the cops had enough and hit him in the legs with their PR24 and took him to jail and let me go. Comply and sue later.

Posts like mikeysaid is putting out in this thread are what have me convinced he is no more than 20 years of age.

(08-25-2020, 01:25 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-25-2020, 01:11 PM)MyBloodIsTeal Wrote: [ -> ]I guess they could have put a knee on his neck to prevent him from getting up while they applied the cuffs, oh wait....  If one of them had only put him in a choke hold while they got him under control, dang...

You see it doesn't matter what tactic the police use.  At some point something is bound to go wrong, and there will be someone with a cell phone to catch it.  That's the funny thing about criminals and drug addicts, they don't want to go to jail.  If they would just comply, or better yet OBEY THE LAW, this kind of thing would not be an issue.

1) knees between the shoulder blades and below should be enough to get cuffs on.
2) it does not take 9 minutes to apply cuffs.

Your post is text book argument ad absurdum.  I didn't say tackling or hand to hand would solve everything for the cops.  I did say it would ha e solved this situation.  If you take any argument to absurd lengths, the argument becomes ridiculous.  Doesn't mean the original argument was ridiculous.

I'm not sure how many physical altercations you have been in, but when a person doesn't what to do something it is not easy to force them. Once the officers get forced into a position of having to physically restrain a person, things are much more likely to go bad. It is easy to sit back and arm chair QB but the person who had the most control to prevent the situation from going bad chose to fight the cops and go the his car to grab something.

(08-25-2020, 01:57 PM)MyBloodIsTeal Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-25-2020, 01:25 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]1) knees between the shoulder blades and below should be enough to get cuffs on.
2) it does not take 9 minutes to apply cuffs.

Your post is text book argument ad absurdum.  I didn't say tackling or hand to hand would solve everything for the cops.  I did say it would ha e solved this situation.  If you take any argument to absurd lengths, the argument becomes ridiculous.  Doesn't mean the original argument was ridiculous.

I'm not sure how many physical altercations you have been in, but when a person doesn't what to do something it is not easy to force them.  Once the officers get forced into a position of having to physically restrain a person, things are much more likely to go bad.  It is easy to sit back and arm chair QB but the person who had the most control to prevent the situation from going bad chose to fight the cops and go the his car to grab something.

There were like four officers on scene.

(08-25-2020, 12:40 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]blah, blah, blah...

It's either two or three cops, struggling on the ground with the one suspect.
That suspect should have never gotten up without handcuffs on.
then after he gets up, he just casually walks by an officer who has his gun drawn, that officer doesn't do anything.
If the cops had done their job right, he would still be alive.

1.  The police did their job correctly.  The officer that shot him stopped the action.

2.  The thug felon is still alive.  It looks like he will spend his prison days in a wheel chair.

(08-25-2020, 01:47 PM)Jagwired Wrote: [ -> ]Posts like mikeysaid is putting out in this thread are what have me convinced he is no more than 20 years of age.

And I'm convinced you don't have a single friend under 50, FWIW.

He's already admitted to being beat up by a couple of girls in middle school... so there's that.

(08-25-2020, 01:28 PM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-25-2020, 09:30 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Right before Blake gets to the drivers side door, the closest officer does look like he's trying to grab Blake.
But that officer already had his gun drawn before he closed.  Tactically that's stupid. A wrestling match where one party already has a gun out pretty much has to end in shots. 

Was any attempt made to tackle him before he starts to walk around his car?

Let's not pretend you know what should or shouldn't happen here--tactically speaking. If he had a knife, as was suggested by them yelling as much, then you don't holster your weapon. 

I admit that him having a knife changes things.  If he had one, maybe that's why he was able to get up when there were two officers on him.  That explains why there are two officers standing with guns drawn.  Still, you don't close in on someone with your pistol out, especially when backup has arrived. Knife or not.

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(08-25-2020, 02:01 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]He's already admitted to being beat up by a couple of girls in middle school... so there's that.

Just like you admitted to performing sexual favors for extra cigarettes while you were in the Marines.  Thank you for your service.

What else was I going to do? Those beautiful women were hoarding all the smokes! You catch more flies with honey than vinegar. Like usual, you could learn a thing from me.

(08-25-2020, 02:08 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-25-2020, 01:28 PM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: [ -> ]Let's not pretend you know what should or shouldn't happen here--tactically speaking. If he had a knife, as was suggested by them yelling as much, then you don't holster your weapon. 

I admit that him having a knife changes things.  If he had one, maybe that's why he was able to get up when there were two officers on him.  That explains why there are two officers standing with guns drawn.  Still, you don't close in on someone with your pistol out, especially when backup has arrived. Knife or not.

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(08-25-2020, 02:01 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]He's already admitted to being beat up by a couple of girls in middle school... so there's that.

Just like you admitted to performing sexual favors for extra cigarettes while you were in the Marines.  Thank you for your service.

You should just stop already.  You have no idea what you are talking about.