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We need to lose out out if we have any hope to draft Trevor.

(10-20-2020, 06:43 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]We need to lose out out if we have any hope to draft Trevor.

Have you seen the schedule? It’s entirely possible.

(10-20-2020, 06:00 PM)snowwolf776 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-20-2020, 02:36 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]Fill us in on why he quit with the Bills.  I'll bet that you can't.

He said he quit cause team changed owners,plus he knew the new owner was going to fire him. He felt quiting would be better for him cause he didn't want to get fired. 

he had a loseing record with bills he was 15-17 as well. doug is nothing but a quiter,and loser,and now he has the jags quiting.  I am sure yan would still be here as well as campel,no one wants to play for a loser HC that knows better. the ones playign now are to young to understand doug is a loser. he shouldn't of never been hired.

He left because he specifically stated when hired he didn't want to work for a different owner and had an out in his contract to leave if that happened. He got the Bills to a winning season, they changed owners, so he took advantage of his contractual out to leave Buffalo while still getting paid $4m. 

I don't blame him one bit for taking advantage of something he specifically had put into his contract when hired. He didn't "quit" on Buffalo, though many don't see that. I live in Western NY and people hate him, not so much for while he was there, but they're bitter he got them to a winning season and then left and they sucked for a whole again.

(10-20-2020, 07:53 PM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-20-2020, 06:00 PM)snowwolf776 Wrote: [ -> ]He said he quit cause team changed owners,plus he knew the new owner was going to fire him. He felt quiting would be better for him cause he didn't want to get fired. 

he had a loseing record with bills he was 15-17 as well. doug is nothing but a quiter,and loser,and now he has the jags quiting.  I am sure yan would still be here as well as campel,no one wants to play for a loser HC that knows better. the ones playign now are to young to understand doug is a loser. he shouldn't of never been hired.

He left because he specifically stated when hired he didn't want to work for a different owner and had an out in his contract to leave if that happened. He got the Bills to a winning season, they changed owners, so he took advantage of his contractual out to leave Buffalo while still getting paid $4m. 

I don't blame him one bit for taking advantage of something he specifically had put into his contract when hired. He didn't "quit" on Buffalo, though many don't see that. I live in Western NY and people hate him, not so much for while he was there, but they're bitter he got them to a winning season and then left and they sucked for a whole again.

This is correct.

It's tragically funny that the title of this thread was initially celebratory: "we are so much better than people expected, yay!".

Now the title of this thread is downright depressing "even if we lose every game the Jets will still probably get the first pick, damnit".

#becausejaguars

IF the Jags get the number one pick it would be best to talk to Trevor and ask what teams he would play for. Then go to those teams and take the best deal. He is not coming here no matter what. Ask yourself this question....would I come to this dumpster fire?

(10-20-2020, 03:08 PM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-20-2020, 12:55 PM)FBT Wrote: [ -> ]I don't see another 2 wins out of this team.  I do see one late in the season though.  Our track record in screwing up great opportunities is pretty well established.  That being said, I do think the Jets will win at least one game accidentally between now and the end of the season.  Right now, we're picking #2 in the draft based on how the games played out this week according to 1010XL.

Tankathon has us currently at #4 with tiebreakers.

ESPN Power Index has us picking #2 based on how the season should play out.

As it stands, if the Jets win a game we should be able to pull ahead of them because they will have a tougher SOS. We need to be more concerned with Washington and NYG in my opinion because I don't see how either of them wins more than one more game (when they play each other again) and they will both have an easier SOS than us by season end if all plays out right.

Because the NFC East in the 2020 season is collective the weakest division in the history of the NFL,  I'll be surprised ifthe last place team in the division doesn't finish with at least a 3-13 record.  There hasn't been much separating the 4 teams in that division through 6 games.  Injuries have hit the Cowboys, Eagles, and Giants hard already this season.  All of these teams have lost key players for the season already.  Hence, I don"t think any of the teams in this division will run the table with wins in their remaining divisional games.

(10-20-2020, 06:53 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-20-2020, 06:43 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]We need to lose out out if we have any hope to draft Trevor.

Have you seen the schedule? It’s entirely possible.

The Jets schedule is even more brutal.  They will control the draft.

(10-20-2020, 10:40 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-20-2020, 06:53 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Have you seen the schedule? It’s entirely possible.

The Jets schedule is even more brutal.  They will control the draft.

This is true. The Rams being dead last is nice though that pick might wind up better than it looks now.

https://twitter.com/MikeClayNFL/status/1...6598975488

(10-20-2020, 09:28 AM)snowwolf776 Wrote: [ -> ]trevor lanerce going to jags will be worst thing for his nfl carrer cause Khan will never ever fire  our staff we have now,nd they will ruin Lawerence just like they have our other good qbs who had high potiontial. Don't get me wrong i like trover,but i don't want to see his nfl carrer suffer cause we have idots iin front office,and a owner who only cares about being consient in loseing. he told truth aboout being constient,its just been in loseign jags have been very consinent..

Please list the other good QBs who had high potential that this staff has ruined. If you have to, you're welcome to break the lists into multiple posts so that we are not faced with a wall of text.

Thanks in advance.

(10-20-2020, 07:53 PM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-20-2020, 06:00 PM)snowwolf776 Wrote: [ -> ]He said he quit cause team changed owners,plus he knew the new owner was going to fire him. He felt quiting would be better for him cause he didn't want to get fired. 

he had a loseing record with bills he was 15-17 as well. doug is nothing but a quiter,and loser,and now he has the jags quiting.  I am sure yan would still be here as well as campel,no one wants to play for a loser HC that knows better. the ones playign now are to young to understand doug is a loser. he shouldn't of never been hired.

He left because he specifically stated when hired he didn't want to work for a different owner and had an out in his contract to leave if that happened. He got the Bills to a winning season, they changed owners, so he took advantage of his contractual out to leave Buffalo while still getting paid $4m. 

I don't blame him one bit for taking advantage of something he specifically had put into his contract when hired. He didn't "quit" on Buffalo, though many don't see that. I live in Western NY and people hate him, not so much for while he was there, but they're bitter he got them to a winning season and then left and they sucked for a whole again.

but....but......mah conspiracies!

If I know the pink slip is coming, why the fart would I stick around anyway, especially if the previous management gave me the option to part ways? This isn't like he pulled a Petrino and quit mid-season.

I see Joe Burrow in Cincinnati losing games but playing with poise and promise. He knows he will likely lead a dynasty there because he's confident the Bengals front office will do everything it can to build a team around him. I wish I could say the same about our front office. Unless Khan cleans house and hires more capable people, Trevor Lawrence will be squandered on the heap of incompetence.

(10-20-2020, 07:58 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-20-2020, 07:53 PM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]He left because he specifically stated when hired he didn't want to work for a different owner and had an out in his contract to leave if that happened. He got the Bills to a winning season, they changed owners, so he took advantage of his contractual out to leave Buffalo while still getting paid $4m. 

I don't blame him one bit for taking advantage of something he specifically had put into his contract when hired. He didn't "quit" on Buffalo, though many don't see that. I live in Western NY and people hate him, not so much for while he was there, but they're bitter he got them to a winning season and then left and they sucked for a whole again.

This is correct.

He was also winning with Kyle Orton at QB and behind the scenes was being forced or pressured into playing EJ Manuel, iirc.

(10-20-2020, 06:00 PM)snowwolf776 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-20-2020, 02:36 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]Fill us in on why he quit with the Bills.  I'll bet that you can't.

He said he quit cause team changed owners,plus he knew the new owner was going to fire him. He felt quiting would be better for him cause he didn't want to get fired. 

he had a loseing record with bills he was 15-17 as well. doug is nothing but a quiter,and loser,and now he has the jags quiting.  I am sure yan would still be here as well as campel,no one wants to play for a loser HC that knows better. the ones playign now are to young to understand doug is a loser. he shouldn't of never been hired.

I'd love to know where you get your information.

By the way, the Bills went 6-10 his first year and 9-7 his second, so one could argue that he turned them into winners.

(10-20-2020, 11:10 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-20-2020, 09:42 AM)FsuClark08 Wrote: [ -> ]If we somehow get the top pick this staff will ruin Lawrence.

We need a whole new staff. We need a defensive coordinator who will use players to their strengths. I hope we get a 3-4 guy and we can move Chaisson to OLB.

We desperately need one of the top safeties. Look like we will have a 2nd pick in the 20s with the Rams

Boy I tell you what... if Lawrence is the prospect many believe him to be. "Generational" etc. He shouldn't be able to be ruined.
He's supposed to come in and be good right away and make everyone around him look better. OL, receivers, everything.

I wasn't big on TLaw last year but watching him this year I've certainly come around. I don't care who is GM or coach, if we land Lawrence we'll be a better team immediately.

But it could easily become an Andrew Luck situation where he does well, but is being dragged down by everyone else around him.

Again. To win a Super bowl, you need more than just THE QB. You need a Coach/FO that are competent and some good players around QB. And it is extremely difficult to put all those things together after drafting the QB.

We need to investigate forfeit options. Are players going to rush back from "injury" for this team?

(10-20-2020, 10:45 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-20-2020, 10:40 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]The Jets schedule is even more brutal.  They will control the draft.

This is true. The Rams being dead last is nice though that pick might wind up better than it looks now.

https://twitter.com/MikeClayNFL/status/1...6598975488

Some hope for both the Jags and Rams picks.

(10-21-2020, 01:36 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-20-2020, 11:10 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]Boy I tell you what... if Lawrence is the prospect many believe him to be. "Generational" etc. He shouldn't be able to be ruined.
He's supposed to come in and be good right away and make everyone around him look better. OL, receivers, everything.

I wasn't big on TLaw last year but watching him this year I've certainly come around. I don't care who is GM or coach, if we land Lawrence we'll be a better team immediately.

But it could easily become an Andrew Luck situation where he does well, but is being dragged down by everyone else around him.

Again. To win a Super bowl, you need more than just THE QB. You need a Coach/FO that are competent and some good players around QB. And it is extremely difficult to put all those things together after drafting the QB.

I agree. I've long said that. It's why I hate when people talk up the top 1 or 2 QBs in every draft. It takes more and this idea that a generational talent puts you over the top is kinda silly. Luck was a "can't miss" prospect. That essentially gave them what Manning did half the time and not much more. They hit the playoffs consistently and were one and done mostly. Never got them a ring and ended his career early due to injuries.

Seems like he wasn't that much of a generational talent so much as just another really good QB. I think too much hype is put on these guys. Mahomes went 12th... He's looking more like a generational QB than Luck ever was...
But that all being said, the best QBs elevate the team around them. Luck took a 1 win clots team and made them a playoff team. No matter who the coaches were and what talent was around them. Stafford took the Lions out of the cellar to be mediocre...

Maybe we should just call Lawrence the best QB of THIS draft instead of the best QB to come out in the last 10 years before he's ever had a snap in the NFL is kinda my point...

(11-03-2020, 12:44 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-21-2020, 01:36 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ]But it could easily become an Andrew Luck situation where he does well, but is being dragged down by everyone else around him.

Again. To win a Super bowl, you need more than just THE QB. You need a Coach/FO that are competent and some good players around QB. And it is extremely difficult to put all those things together after drafting the QB.

I agree. I've long said that. It's why I hate when people talk up the top 1 or 2 QBs in every draft. It takes more and this idea that a generational talent puts you over the top is kinda silly. Luck was a "can't miss" prospect. That essentially gave them what Manning did half the time and not much more. They hit the playoffs consistently and were one and done mostly. Never got them a ring and ended his career early due to injuries.

Seems like he wasn't that much of a generational talent so much as just another really good QB. I think too much hype is put on these guys. Mahomes went 12th... He's looking more like a generational QB than Luck ever was...
But that all being said, the best QBs elevate the team around them. Luck took a 1 win clots team and made them a playoff team. No matter who the coaches were and what talent was around them. Stafford took the Lions out of the cellar to be mediocre...

Maybe we should just call Lawrence the best QB of THIS draft instead of the best QB to come out in the last 10 years before he's ever had a snap in the NFL is kinda my point...

Maybe I've missed something, but are people really calling Lawrence the best prospect of the last 10 years? I certainly don't see him in that light. I think he has the best chance to be very good out of all the available players in the next draft, but I'm not even sure if he's the best QB prospect of the last 3 years much less 10.

(11-03-2020, 12:50 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-03-2020, 12:44 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]I agree. I've long said that. It's why I hate when people talk up the top 1 or 2 QBs in every draft. It takes more and this idea that a generational talent puts you over the top is kinda silly. Luck was a "can't miss" prospect. That essentially gave them what Manning did half the time and not much more. They hit the playoffs consistently and were one and done mostly. Never got them a ring and ended his career early due to injuries.

Seems like he wasn't that much of a generational talent so much as just another really good QB. I think too much hype is put on these guys. Mahomes went 12th... He's looking more like a generational QB than Luck ever was...
But that all being said, the best QBs elevate the team around them. Luck took a 1 win clots team and made them a playoff team. No matter who the coaches were and what talent was around them. Stafford took the Lions out of the cellar to be mediocre...

Maybe we should just call Lawrence the best QB of THIS draft instead of the best QB to come out in the last 10 years before he's ever had a snap in the NFL is kinda my point...

Maybe I've missed something, but are people really calling Lawrence the best prospect of the last 10 years? I certainly don't see him in that light. I think he has the best chance to be very good out of all the available players in the next draft, but I'm not even sure if he's the best QB prospect of the last 3 years much less 10.

Isn't that what generational prospect means? I've seen "best QB since" or "most sure thing since Luck" "highest graded QB since Luck"
I mean that term has been beat to death. Hell, a legit generation term length is something like 20-30 years, so maybe the draftniks should pick a new phrase... which is what I suggested. Just say "so and so" is the best QB in THIS draft. Isn't that enough?

It's the same rhetoric from the Luck draft. I was soft on Lawrence last year. I've watched more closely this year and definitely love his game a lot more. I just have a hard time seeing any one QB as a franchise changer if the rest of the roster around them isn't managed properly.