(10-05-2020, 10:49 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2020, 01:37 PM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ]No one is calling him a bust but he hasn't shown anything yet, nothing, not even one tiny flash. He goes against his man gets locked up and that's it, it's like the dude doesn't even exist.
He has the right attitude though and maybe he will develop, still most of us didn't want him because it was too much of a risk.
He did have a sack. We only have 4 on the year so he has 25% of the teams sacks. Just saying.
He only had that sack because he was completely unblocked and had a straight, unimpeded line to the passer. My fat a** would've made that play. Just sayin'.
You guys have insane expectations sometimes. Lol.
(10-05-2020, 11:47 AM)rfc17 Wrote: [ -> ]We occasionally seem to fall prey to drafting guys in the first round based on talent and not production. Did it with Taven. Did it with Chaisson. Maybe he will develop, maybe he won't. Still too early to write him off. But always scary to draft a guy in the first round that wasn't an elite production guy in college.
I would be stunned if the hit rate for early rounders that "elite production guys" is actually that much higher than guys who just flashed talent in college but need to develop.
Taven and Chaisson are later first round picks than we usually get so on one hand I think people should adjust their expectations a bit.
On the other hand they haven't been that good and obviously there's more tape on Taven. But, who's to blame if two first rounders drafted based on talent don't develop? Taven/(Chaisson) because he's just a rotational guy or Wash/D-line coach for not developing? Or both?
(10-05-2020, 11:47 AM)rfc17 Wrote: [ -> ]We occasionally seem to fall prey to drafting guys in the first round based on talent and not production. Did it with Taven. Did it with Chaisson. Maybe he will develop, maybe he won't. Still too early to write him off. But always scary to draft a guy in the first round that wasn't an elite production guy in college.
Biggest strike against Dave might be overvaluing position of need above talent or value at the spot we're drafting. It started with Joeckel, and has carried through with every first rounder barring Josh Allen. It seems like we often pigeon-hole ourselves to taking best (or best upside) at position X instead of just best or best upside when our pick comes due.
That strategy can work, but it's on the coaches to either add skill to raw talent or scheme in a way to maximize their talent. Here's hoping Chiasson has time to grow into a top talent, and that the team brings coaches in who can help that happen.
(10-06-2020, 01:15 AM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ]You guys have insane expectations sometimes. Lol.
If the expectations are too high, it's because the front office and coaching staff let go of good players and replaced them with these rookies. The expectations will always be higher when you get rid of better players. We expect at least some kind of flashes early in the season to justify replacing good players with inexperienced players. So far, there haven't even been flashes with Chaisson.
When first rounder after first rounder underperform.... maybe it’s not the players...maybe is the coaches?
I feel like these players would shine some where else where their transition to the NFL would be easier.
(10-06-2020, 09:47 AM)Corriewf Wrote: [ -> ]When first rounder after first rounder underperform.... maybe it’s not the players...maybe is the coaches?
I feel like these players would shine some where else where their transition to the NFL would be easier.
Or
MAYBE its the guy picking them as first rounders?????????
(10-06-2020, 09:22 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (10-06-2020, 01:15 AM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ]You guys have insane expectations sometimes. Lol.
If the expectations are too high, it's because the front office and coaching staff let go of good players and replaced them with these rookies. The expectations will always be higher when you get rid of better players. We expect at least some kind of flashes early in the season to justify replacing good players with inexperienced players. So far, there haven't even been flashes with Chaisson.
Expectations are too high? More than one winning season in a decade is too high? Hoping we get to 7-9 this season is too high? Carolina started rebuild mode in the spring and is already light years ahead of us. Your comment is ridiculous.
Pro Bowler Josh Allen has 1 more sack than Chaisson.
(10-06-2020, 10:20 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]Pro Bowler Josh Allen has 1 more sack than Chaisson.
And both have been bad, what's your point? Chaisson is playing almost as good as a pro bowler? LMAO
(10-06-2020, 10:20 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]Pro Bowler Josh Allen has 1 more sack than Chaisson.
He won't be a pro bowler this season. Or maybe ever again.
The biggest problem is the DC forces players into his scheme instead of putting the players in the best position possible to be successful. If you don't have the talents to run the scheme, you have to change but the Jags refuse to do it.
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(10-06-2020, 06:36 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]The biggest problem is the DC forces players into his scheme instead of putting the players in the best position possible to be successful. If you don't have the talents to run the scheme, you have to change but the Jags refuse to do it.
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OK. So if that is true, what are you ideas for a different scheme that will work with this talent? I'd love to hear it.
(10-06-2020, 07:06 PM)NeptuneBeachBum Wrote: [ -> ] (10-06-2020, 06:36 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]The biggest problem is the DC forces players into his scheme instead of putting the players in the best position possible to be successful. If you don't have the talents to run the scheme, you have to change but the Jags refuse to do it.
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OK. So if that is true, what are you ideas for a different scheme that will work with this talent? I'd love to hear it.
3-4 defense
(10-06-2020, 07:11 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-06-2020, 07:06 PM)NeptuneBeachBum Wrote: [ -> ]OK. So if that is true, what are you ideas for a different scheme that will work with this talent? I'd love to hear it.
3-4 defense
Yep, or just move him to LB because the SAM is terrible have 2 fast OLBs. The DEs are all producing the same so playing someone else won't matter much.
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(10-06-2020, 07:13 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ] (10-06-2020, 07:11 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]3-4 defense
Yep, or just move him to LB because the SAM is terrible have 2 fast OLBs. The DEs are all producing the same so playing someone else won't matter much.
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I think it would help Bryan as well playing a 3-4 end. They wanted him to play end in a 4-3 end when they drafted him but he would be much better in a 3-4 end than a 4-3 end. Chaisson and Allen are better at 3-4 OLB.
Its worth a try being what we are doing isn't working
(10-06-2020, 07:13 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ] (10-06-2020, 07:11 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]3-4 defense
Yep, or just move him to LB because the SAM is terrible have 2 fast OLBs. The DEs are all producing the same so playing someone else won't matter much.
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I wouldn't be against that, I actually prefer a base 3-4 anyway. But I don't think it would matter much in terms of results. They would still probably rush 4 out of it, then you'd be dropping your Will LB from a tougher place into coverage. And you'd probably drop Allen more (assuming he is playing Rush OLB) into coverage so they wouldn't always know who is coming... I'm not crazy about that. I don't hate that idea, but: a) I don't think it changes our effectiveness significantly because we do not have a nose tackle that could demand a double team; and b) most defenses in this League are not in their base defense much anyway because of how much 11 personnel offenses play.
(10-06-2020, 07:11 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-06-2020, 07:06 PM)NeptuneBeachBum Wrote: [ -> ]OK. So if that is true, what are you ideas for a different scheme that will work with this talent? I'd love to hear it.
3-4 defense
For the first time, I have to say, we are better equipped now to play 3-4, than we are to play 4-3. This lineup sucks as a 4-3 scheme. Put Bryan and Gotsis on as 5 techniques, Hamilton as NT, Allen and Chaisson as OLB's, Schobert and Jack as ILB's and I guess we'd have to leave the secondary the same. That's the only thing that sucks. At least I think we'd get a little pressure. We should blitz more as well.
(10-06-2020, 07:32 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Lol, Wash don't change.
That's the problem. If his system doesn't work, he has no clue what to do. He can't adapt to anything else.