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(12-30-2020, 11:53 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-30-2020, 11:21 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]How many rookies picked in the 20s really make that much of an impact right away?

Well, the one that the majority of the board wanted sure did.

Yeah yeah I know... Everyone wanted Jefferson

Time to move on my dude lol

I learned my lesson from judging rookies ever since Cecil Shorts and DJ Chark.

I think he can be a good defensive player.

(12-30-2020, 04:32 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]I learned my lesson from judging rookies ever since Cecil Shorts and DJ Chark.

I think he can be a good defensive player.

Also, having no minicamp/preseason.....he's still trying to figure out NFL game speed. 

If he still looks like this NEXT season? Yeah, then call for his head.

(12-30-2020, 04:32 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]I learned my lesson from judging rookies ever since Cecil Shorts and DJ Chark.

I think he can be a good defensive player.

I agree totally with you. He had no training camp and is 21 years old. After the Jaguars add Leonard Williams and Josh Allen returns, he will also have more opportunities.

(12-30-2020, 06:58 PM)jaglou53 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-30-2020, 04:32 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]I learned my lesson from judging rookies ever since Cecil Shorts and DJ Chark.

I think he can be a good defensive player.

I agree totally with you. He had no training camp and is 21 years old. After the Jaguars add Leonard Williams and Josh Allen returns, he will also have more opportunities.

Maybe, but our UDFA RB came in and didnt miss a beat without any practice so..

(12-30-2020, 09:41 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-30-2020, 06:58 PM)jaglou53 Wrote: [ -> ]I agree totally with you. He had no training camp and is 21 years old. After the Jaguars add Leonard Williams and Josh Allen returns, he will also have more opportunities.

Maybe, but our UDFA RB came in and didnt miss a beat without any practice so..

RB is the easiest transition from College to Pro. You can either play, or you can't, which is why you see multiple rookie RBs come right in and have a lot of success every single year.

DE is one of the hardest transitions from College to Pro. It typically takes a couple years for them to put it all together.

(12-30-2020, 11:53 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-30-2020, 11:21 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]How many rookies picked in the 20s really make that much of an impact right away?

Well, the one that the majority of the board wanted sure did.

Wasnt Ruggs your favorite WR?  Our 2nd round WR has been better than him though

(12-30-2020, 09:53 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-30-2020, 09:41 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe, but our UDFA RB came in and didnt miss a beat without any practice so..

RB is the easiest transition from College to Pro. You can either play, or you can't, which is why you see multiple rookie RBs come right in and have a lot of success every single year.

DE is one of the hardest transitions from College to Pro. It typically takes a couple years for them to put it all together.

It's one thing to take awhile to put it together, it's another to be a ghost your entire rookie season.

(12-31-2020, 03:00 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-30-2020, 09:53 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]RB is the easiest transition from College to Pro. You can either play, or you can't, which is why you see multiple rookie RBs come right in and have a lot of success every single year.

DE is one of the hardest transitions from College to Pro. It typically takes a couple years for them to put it all together.

It's one thing to take awhile to put it together, it's another to be a ghost your entire rookie season.

You mean kinda like Chark?

(12-31-2020, 03:00 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-30-2020, 09:53 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]RB is the easiest transition from College to Pro. You can either play, or you can't, which is why you see multiple rookie RBs come right in and have a lot of success every single year.

DE is one of the hardest transitions from College to Pro. It typically takes a couple years for them to put it all together.

It's one thing to take awhile to put it together, it's another to be a ghost your entire rookie season.

Calais Campbell had no sacks his rookie year

(12-31-2020, 05:21 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-31-2020, 03:00 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]It's one thing to take awhile to put it together, it's another to be a ghost your entire rookie season.

Calais Campbell had no sacks his rookie year

I did not take the time to confirm that, but wow that is amazing if true. I do agree with the sentiments we need to give him more time.

Hasn’t he been one of the most disruptive DEs towards the end of this year? Like weeks 13-16 he’s been in a tear. Anyway, I could have sworn that all I heard during the draft was that he was raw and not a finished product and now everyone is surprised that he’s taking time to adjust to the NFL. And he’s improving! Without a preseason to help acclimate him to NFL speed. I like him a lot and in a season where we are winning 1 game, get some good reps and be ready for next year with Josh Allen back. He has all the athletic gifts and every time coaches speak of him, they mention his work ethic. He will be just fine.

It is hard in an instant gratification world to develop someone. He will benefit from better coaches and a better offense. The reason we are firing so many people is we never developed anything but allowing people to leave while we held on and gave contracts to the wrong players.

I prayyyy we find a good Defensive Coordinator who will put our guys in the best position to succeed. Look at what a change in alignment did for Jack from last year to this year. I don’t doubt Chaisson has the athleticism and skill to thrive, hopefully we find someone who puts him in the best position to do so

(01-02-2021, 12:04 PM)JNev Wrote: [ -> ]I prayyyy we find a good Defensive Coordinator who will put our guys in the best position to succeed. Look at what a change in alignment did for Jack from last year to this year. I don’t doubt Chaisson has the athleticism and skill to thrive, hopefully we find someone who puts him in the best position to do so

We need to move to a 3-4 base.

(01-02-2021, 12:04 PM)JNev Wrote: [ -> ]I prayyyy we find a good Defensive Coordinator who will put our guys in the best position to succeed. Look at what a change in alignment did for Jack from last year to this year. I don’t doubt Chaisson has the athleticism and skill to thrive, hopefully we find someone who puts him in the best position to do so

I admittedly do not like Chaisson, but the kid has been playing out of position all season. He is a pure 3-4 OLB. For that matter, so was Allen, but he made the adjustment fairly quickly. The difference was that Allen had help along the D-Line in his rookie season to draw pressure away from him. Between the injuries and playing with no other pass rushing threats, he regressed rapidly in 2020. Chaisson needs desperately to go back to a 3-4 scheme if he wants to find success in the NFL. If we make the transition, he should play a lot better, but he's never gonna be good in a 4-3 scheme. He just gets hung up on too many blocks. He needs to play in space, where he can utilize his speed. If we stick with the 4-3 scheme, we might as well trade him and get something back. Hopefully, we hire a HC that sees the potential on this team for a switch to a 3-4 defense though.

Some of you are way too caught up with the term "3-4 or 4-3" Defense... Every team uses both these days and since the game has shifted to 60%+ Nickel Defense, teams aren't using either the majority of the time.

(01-02-2021, 07:45 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Some of you are way too caught up with the term "3-4 or 4-3" Defense... Every team uses both these days and since the game has shifted to 60%+ Nickel Defense, teams aren't using either the majority of the time.

Chaisson needs to be on a team that does use the 3-4 defense the majority of the time though. He is a much better pass rusher when he has room to use his speed, instead of being lined up directly over an OT, who can just reach out and grab him. Once that happens, Chaisson gets hung up and is neutralized. It would be much better for his career, if he could either be on a team that uses the 3-4 heavily or where he is used as a situational pass rusher only when the 3-4 is implemented.

(01-02-2021, 07:54 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-02-2021, 07:45 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Some of you are way too caught up with the term "3-4 or 4-3" Defense... Every team uses both these days and since the game has shifted to 60%+ Nickel Defense, teams aren't using either the majority of the time.

Chaisson needs to be on a team that does use the 3-4 defense the majority of the time though. He is a much better pass rusher when he has room to use his speed, instead of being lined up directly over an OT, who can just reach out and grab him. Once that happens, Chaisson gets hung up and is neutralized. It would be much better for his career, if he could either be on a team that uses the 3-4 heavily or where he is used as a situational pass rusher only when the 3-4 is implemented.

It's called the 9 technique and is used in both a 3-4 or 4-3 (not nearly as much in 4-3 though, Jim Schwartz is famous for running it). But the point still remains, ya'll getting way too caught up in "3-4 or 4-3". We just need better coaches who put their players in better positions to succeed.

(01-02-2021, 08:11 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-02-2021, 07:54 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Chaisson needs to be on a team that does use the 3-4 defense the majority of the time though. He is a much better pass rusher when he has room to use his speed, instead of being lined up directly over an OT, who can just reach out and grab him. Once that happens, Chaisson gets hung up and is neutralized. It would be much better for his career, if he could either be on a team that uses the 3-4 heavily or where he is used as a situational pass rusher only when the 3-4 is implemented.

It's called the 9 technique and is used in both a 3-4 or 4-3 (not nearly as much in 4-3 though, Jim Schwartz is famous for running it). But the point still remains, ya'll getting way too caught up in "3-4 or 4-3". We just need better coaches who put their players in better positions to succeed.

That doesn't detract from the fact that Chaisson needs to play in space.