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(03-09-2021, 12:46 PM)dennisp3 Wrote: [ -> ]George Warhop is considered one of the best offensive line coaches in the NFL so he must have wanted Cam for his line going into the season. I will ride with his assessment over the board GM's
Warhop does have a very good reputation and was the ONLY coach Meyer retained. If Robinson is as bad as some on this board have said, do you really think he would franchise him? I still expect them to go after Trent Williams and if they can't get him they have some insurance now. They will also draft a left tackle in rounds 1 or 2 to eventually replace Cam.
(03-09-2021, 12:35 PM)JagFanFirst Wrote: [ -> ]It's more of an insurance policy type move than anything else. What if we can't get Trent Williams? What if we're forced to reach for a LT? This just gives us more options at the position, and we're not obligated to pay him beyond this year. Smart move.
Exactly, a good move by the front office. If we didn't tag Cam and misses on Trent we would be force to reach for a tackle in the draft
Head scratcher, but I get the insurance part. Maybe (hopefully) they think he might fit at guard.... where I know a lot of us agree he could be a star at guard.
(03-09-2021, 12:31 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (03-09-2021, 12:24 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]That would be the single DUMBEST move in franchise history! Even more idiotic than extending Bortles. Let's just completely overpay a LT that is so bad, he's not even on peoples top 100 available free agents. Lawrence could get badly hurt behind these OT's and if he does, it's on Meyer and Baalke's heads.
Not in panic mode yet.
Still plenty of room to sign Trent Williams. Franchise tags can be removed, and it's possible to move him to RT if Williams is signed. The team could also draft a T.
Or LG to replace Norwell
Still lots of ways this can play out.
Doesn't necessarily mean Cam is locked at starting LT with no contingency.
(03-09-2021, 12:46 PM)dennisp3 Wrote: [ -> ]George Warhop is considered one of the best offensive line coaches in the NFL so he must have wanted Cam for his line going into the season. I will ride with his assessment over the board GM's
No. He's not. He's considered one of the worst. That's why so many people on this board were disappointed when they kept him. He failed to develop either one of our OT's.
(03-09-2021, 01:04 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ] (03-09-2021, 12:39 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]But how is that protecting us? If we miss out on Williams, we could find another LT in the draft. At this point I would trust a 7th round OT over either one of our OT's. We know what they are and they suck! I'd rather take a risk on new guys, any guys, as long as they aren't what we have now. At least that would show you are at least trying to get better. This is just like settling for below average play. We had one of the lowest ranked OT tandems in the NFL. This is not protecting us in any way, shape or form.
I'd rather put a 7th round OT in the starting spot than to bring Robinson back. The 7th rounder is an unknown. Robinson isn't. We know Robinson sucks and the fact that Jawaan Taylor sucks even worse, makes the OT position even more dire.
As horrible as Taylor is, do you really see this happening? Do you realistically see them moving Robinson to RT and benching Taylor? I don't.
LOL New coaches and front office but you are still stuck in the past.
A good O-Line is key in a young QB's development. If they can't protect the QB on the edges, it can make a young QB gun shy and ruin their self confidence.
(03-09-2021, 01:05 PM)IndestructibleJag Wrote: [ -> ]For all those against this move, if we didn't franchise Cam, and Trent Williams signs elsewhere, where do you go? Is it a guarantee a 1st round OT is a star? Be realistic.
Anywhere, but where we currently are. We need to take some risks. Keeping the trash that we have, isn't doing us any good. A first or second round OT isn't guaranteed to be a star, but it would at least show an effort to get better. Our OT's aren't even average.
(03-09-2021, 01:16 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I think it's a good move. It's better to have him than to not have him, because it doesn't prevent us from drafting a left tackle. And you never know about a draft pick.
Besides, as much as I would like a new LT, we do have many many needs, and you can't fill them all in one offseason.
LT is the second most important position on a football team with a right handed franchise QB. It must be addressed immediately.
Assuming the money offered is similar, Trent Williams has expressed a desire to return to the 49ers and many have speculated that he'd prefer a playoff caliber team to chase a possible ring. The move to lock up Cam is insurance for the LT spot. With the tag being around $14m or so, not the $17-18m as bantered about earlier this off season, the cost is not prohibitive and only a one year commitment. If the Jags are able to land a better LT in FA or the draft, it does not prevent the team from sliding Cam into another position.
I would also assume that if the Jags find a better alternative, they could/would pull the tag if not yet signed. Would it be wonderful to sign Trent Williams or get a top OT in the draft? ....of course. However, it is not in the Jag's absolute control for either of these. The tag for Cam is just smart to lock in a "floor" at the position.
(03-09-2021, 01:19 PM)jaglou53 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-09-2021, 12:46 PM)dennisp3 Wrote: [ -> ]George Warhop is considered one of the best offensive line coaches in the NFL so he must have wanted Cam for his line going into the season. I will ride with his assessment over the board GM's
Warhop does have a very good reputation and was the ONLY coach Meyer retained. If Robinson is as bad as some on this board have said, do you really think he would franchise him? I still expect them to go after Trent Williams and if they can't get him they have some insurance now. They will also draft a left tackle in rounds 1 or 2 to eventually replace Cam.
Did you watch any of the games last season? Our QB's were constantly getting pressured off both edges. I don't need some "experts" telling me our OT's aren't bad. I saw them play. My eyes showed me how bad they were. It's undeniable. Anyone who says otherwise is either blind or lying.
(03-09-2021, 01:28 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Still lots of ways this can play out.
Doesn't necessarily mean Cam is locked at starting LT with no contingency.
I hope you're right, but I fear you're wrong.
(03-09-2021, 01:39 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (03-09-2021, 01:05 PM)IndestructibleJag Wrote: [ -> ]For all those against this move, if we didn't franchise Cam, and Trent Williams signs elsewhere, where do you go? Is it a guarantee a 1st round OT is a star? Be realistic.
Anywhere, but where we currently are. We need to take some risks. Keeping the trash that we have, isn't doing us any good. A first or second round OT isn't guaranteed to be a star, but it would at least show an effort to get better. Our OT's aren't even average.
(03-09-2021, 01:16 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I think it's a good move. It's better to have him than to not have him, because it doesn't prevent us from drafting a left tackle. And you never know about a draft pick.
Besides, as much as I would like a new LT, we do have many many needs, and you can't fill them all in one offseason.
LT is the second most important position on a football team with a right handed franchise QB. It must be addressed immediately.
I think they've begun addressing it by not allowing a complete absence of anyone at that position. The worst thing that can happen is to draft TL and have NO ONE, absolutely NO ONE, to play LT. All you guys who seem to think some 2nd round draft pick is going to be better than Cam Robinson right out of the gate are delusional.
Besides, all the options they had before are still on the table. Except, of course, for letting our starting LT walk away in free agency. Thank god we don't have that option any more.
(03-09-2021, 01:46 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (03-09-2021, 01:39 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Anywhere, but where we currently are. We need to take some risks. Keeping the trash that we have, isn't doing us any good. A first or second round OT isn't guaranteed to be a star, but it would at least show an effort to get better. Our OT's aren't even average.
LT is the second most important position on a football team with a right handed franchise QB. It must be addressed immediately.
I think they've begun addressing it by not allowing a complete absence of anyone at that position. The worst thing that can happen is to draft TL and have NO ONE, absolutely NO ONE, to play LT. All you guys who seem to think some 2nd round draft pick is going to be better than Cam Robinson right out of the gate are delusional.
Besides, all the options they had before are still on the table. Except, of course, for letting our starting LT walk away in free agency. Thank god we don't have that option any more.
It's easy to think that, because Robinson and Taylor have set the bar so low.
(03-09-2021, 01:50 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (03-09-2021, 01:46 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I think they've begun addressing it by not allowing a complete absence of anyone at that position. The worst thing that can happen is to draft TL and have NO ONE, absolutely NO ONE, to play LT. All you guys who seem to think some 2nd round draft pick is going to be better than Cam Robinson right out of the gate are delusional.
Besides, all the options they had before are still on the table. Except, of course, for letting our starting LT walk away in free agency. Thank god we don't have that option any more.
It's easy to think that, because Robinson and Taylor have set the bar so low.
I would be freaked out if this was a Luke Joekel scenario. These guys are meh but not a train wreck. Have to see what shakes out the rest of the way.
Obvious move. Leave it to the board derelicts to tell you how they're always wrong
(03-09-2021, 01:39 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (03-09-2021, 01:05 PM)IndestructibleJag Wrote: [ -> ]For all those against this move, if we didn't franchise Cam, and Trent Williams signs elsewhere, where do you go? Is it a guarantee a 1st round OT is a star? Be realistic.
Anywhere, but where we currently are. We need to take some risks. Keeping the trash that we have, isn't doing us any good. A first or second round OT isn't guaranteed to be a star, but it would at least show an effort to get better. Our OT's aren't even average.
(03-09-2021, 01:16 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I think it's a good move. It's better to have him than to not have him, because it doesn't prevent us from drafting a left tackle. And you never know about a draft pick.
Besides, as much as I would like a new LT, we do have many many needs, and you can't fill them all in one offseason.
LT is the second most important position on a football team with a right handed franchise QB. It must be addressed immediately.
To the backyard to pick our plentiful LT tree
(03-09-2021, 12:24 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]That would be the single DUMBEST move in franchise history! Even more idiotic than extending Bortles. Let's just completely overpay a LT that is so bad, he's not even on peoples top 100 available free agents. Lawrence could get badly hurt behind these OT's and if he does, it's on Meyer and Baalke's heads.
I suspect it's more likely a negotiating ploy or at worst a fallback measure. The chance of Cam actually playing under the tag are remote. They could resign him to a more reasonable deal or they could sign and trade or they could (more likely) remove the tag and let him walk after they've assured themselves of someone qualified to take his place.
(03-09-2021, 01:26 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-09-2021, 12:31 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]Not in panic mode yet.
Still plenty of room to sign Trent Williams. Franchise tags can be removed, and it's possible to move him to RT if Williams is signed. The team could also draft a T.
Or LG to replace Norwell
This is actually a good idea.
(03-09-2021, 01:26 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-09-2021, 12:31 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]Not in panic mode yet.
Still plenty of room to sign Trent Williams. Franchise tags can be removed, and it's possible to move him to RT if Williams is signed. The team could also draft a T.
Or LG to replace Norwell
Except he was praising Norwell.
How much will he be getting on the tag? Cant believe he had that much of a market and we couldnt work even a short deal if we wanted to see if he improves under the new staff
Im not even going to touch the Warhop is good comment. The guy flat out sucks. Sucked in Tampa and doing the same here
(03-09-2021, 02:03 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (03-09-2021, 01:26 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Or LG to replace Norwell
Except he was praising Norwell.
I was praising Norwell too. But if he doesn't take a pay cut, he may not be here. If not, he will need to be replaced.
While I think the run blocking might suffer, I think Robinson could improve pass protection inside.
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