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(03-09-2021, 08:40 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Cam Robinson isn't even bad.. all of you are so blind. We had Minshew and Girrafe neck holding the ball forever.. just watch what happens if T-Law lives up to the bill. Our oline will be considered top 5.

Finally, someone that knows..

I actually don't mind this move. Trent isn't even guaranteed to sign here or to even really hit FA.. I trust Meyer's opinion on the matter more than any of these cliff divers and base jumpers around here.

On sports radio this morning, they were discussing a podcast from yesterday in which Trent Williams stated, “You might be barking up the right tree,” when asked about a quote from Richard Sherman indicating he expected Williams to re-sign with San Francisco.

I know it’s shocking, but the football people may have actually done their homework and already knew we weren’t going to get him.

One of the things that aggravated me about previous regimes was that they would cut a player without having a replacement.   They would be assuming, or hoping, to get a better player, either in the draft or in free agency, and a lot of the time, they would fail to get that done.  And we'd wind up with someone even worse.   I don't recall specific instances off the top of my head, but I do remember getting very aggravated after a while that they would keep doing this.  

At least this time we haven't created a hole where we are forced to find someone to fill that hole.  If we get someone better, then great.  But I'm glad that in this instance, given the importance of the position, we've not created a hole in our roster and assumed we were going to get someone better.

And who knows?  This story has not played out all the way yet.  It's entirely possible that we will get someone better and trade Cam to some other team.  It just seems like it would be stupid to let the guy walk away and get nothing in return.

(03-10-2021, 09:16 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]One of the things that aggravated me about previous regimes was that they would cut a player without having a replacement.   They would be assuming, or hoping, to get a better player, either in the draft or in free agency, and a lot of the time, they would fail to get that done.  And we'd wind up with someone even worse.   I don't recall specific instances off the top of my head, but I do remember getting very aggravated after a while that they would keep doing this.  

At least this time we haven't created a hole where we are forced to find someone to fill that hole.  If we get someone better, then great.  But I'm glad that in this instance, given the importance of the position, we've not created a hole in our roster and assumed we were going to get someone better.

And who knows?  This story has not played out all the way yet.  It's entirely possible that we will get someone better and trade Cam to some other team.  It just seems like it would be stupid to let the guy walk away and get nothing in return.

Not to mention, Cams potential is untapped.  He hasn't been great since drafted but he's showed flashes of what he can turn into.  Not many tackles in the league has the ceiling Cam has and I hope TLaw and Urban can bring out the best in him, same way I feel about Jawaan. I question if under the last regime those 2 worked their hardest and the staff pushed them as hard and the way they should have

(03-10-2021, 09:01 AM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]I actually don't mind this move. Trent isn't even guaranteed to sign here or to even really hit FA.. I trust Meyer's opinion on the matter more than any of these cliff divers and base jumpers around here.

I bet you trusted Gus Bradley and Doug Marrone too. How'd that work out for you? Until these guys actually produce, I trust no one.

(03-10-2021, 10:13 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-10-2021, 09:01 AM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]I actually don't mind this move. Trent isn't even guaranteed to sign here or to even really hit FA.. I trust Meyer's opinion on the matter more than any of these cliff divers and base jumpers around here.

I bet you trusted Gus Bradley and Doug Marrone too. How'd that work out for you? Until these guys actually produce, I trust no one.

Don't you have a bridge, cliff or building to jump off of since Meyer's our HC now?

I don't necessarily agree with the move, but I see it completely.

I've long been thinking that the idea of Williams coming to a build at age 32 was pie in the sky thinking. I prefer that we do not enter the darft with a vacuum at the position. Far too often that forced Dave's hand to sacrifice talent and value over need.

I wonder if they had considered a move for Orlando Brown. Did they consider him on par with Robinson? Did BAL want too much in trade capital? Did the other OBJ want too rich or lengthy of a deal to make the trade work? The rest of the OT available (not by trade) all had injury history, age, or lacked upgrade enough for me to think a bidding war for their services was worthwhile.

I absolutely did not want to put a rookie QB and rookie LT on the field week one. I think this affords us a season to draft a guy, get him in prime starting shape, familiar with the system, and move on from Cam next season. You always pay more for a rental, and I'm much more inclined to do the short-term deal than try to get him on a multi-year deal to save a few bucks.

The offseason isn't over. The clouds are roughly at the same altitude they were yesterday. I'll give it a little longer before I feel the need to panic.

(03-10-2021, 10:15 AM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-10-2021, 10:13 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]I bet you trusted Gus Bradley and Doug Marrone too. How'd that work out for you? Until these guys actually produce, I trust no one.

Don't you have a bridge, cliff or building to jump off of since Meyer's our HC now?

Just dropping some knowledge on you. Coaches and GM's don't always make good decisions. Just because they are supposed to know more than the average fan, doesn't mean they always do. As a team, we've had a pattern of hiring these types of coaches and GM's. They do something that half the fan base disagrees with while the other half says, "Trust the coaches and front office. They know more than us."  In our recent history, the opposing fans have seemingly been right more often than the guys running our team. If it was the other way around, we wouldn't be picking near the top of the draft every year. I just want decision makers that see the same thing the majority of fans see. We're all watching the same games. Why is Meyer trusting Warhop's opinion? They guy hasn't developed an O-Lineman in eons and he's one of the worst position coaches in the NFL. Just watch the tape and it's obvious that our OT's are bad. The stats back up this fact, but he's still taking Warhop's opinion over the facts. That doesn't bode well for his future.

(03-10-2021, 10:30 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-10-2021, 10:15 AM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]Don't you have a bridge, cliff or building to jump off of since Meyer's our HC now?

Just dropping some knowledge on you. Coaches and GM's don't always make good decisions. Just because they are supposed to know more than the average fan, doesn't mean they always do. As a team, we've had a pattern of hiring these types of coaches and GM's. They do something that half the fan base disagrees with while the other half says, "Trust the coaches and front office. They know more than us."  In our recent history, the opposing fans have seemingly been right more often than the guys running our team. If it was the other way around, we wouldn't be picking near the top of the draft every year. I just want decision makers that see the same thing the majority of fans see. We're all watching the same games. Why is Meyer trusting Warhop's opinion? They guy hasn't developed an O-Lineman in eons and he's one of the worst position coaches in the NFL. Just watch the tape and it's obvious that our OT's are bad. The stats back up this fact, but he's still taking Warhop's opinion over the facts. That doesn't bode well for his future.

I could agree or disagree with it all day long until I'm blue in the face.. Years ago, I've come to terms that my opinion is only my opinion and it serves no merit on how this team is run, I gave up.. I'm along for the ride, do or die.. Keep your knowledge..

(03-10-2021, 10:36 AM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-10-2021, 10:30 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Just dropping some knowledge on you. Coaches and GM's don't always make good decisions. Just because they are supposed to know more than the average fan, doesn't mean they always do. As a team, we've had a pattern of hiring these types of coaches and GM's. They do something that half the fan base disagrees with while the other half says, "Trust the coaches and front office. They know more than us."  In our recent history, the opposing fans have seemingly been right more often than the guys running our team. If it was the other way around, we wouldn't be picking near the top of the draft every year. I just want decision makers that see the same thing the majority of fans see. We're all watching the same games. Why is Meyer trusting Warhop's opinion? They guy hasn't developed an O-Lineman in eons and he's one of the worst position coaches in the NFL. Just watch the tape and it's obvious that our OT's are bad. The stats back up this fact, but he's still taking Warhop's opinion over the facts. That doesn't bode well for his future.

I could agree or disagree with it all day long until I'm blue in the face.. Years ago, I've come to terms that my opinion is only my opinion and it serves no merit on how this team is run, I gave up.. I'm along for the ride, do or die.. Keep your knowledge..

I know my opinion means nothing, but I'm still gonna voice my opposition. That's what makes America great.

(03-10-2021, 10:39 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-10-2021, 10:36 AM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]I could agree or disagree with it all day long until I'm blue in the face.. Years ago, I've come to terms that my opinion is only my opinion and it serves no merit on how this team is run, I gave up.. I'm along for the ride, do or die.. Keep your knowledge..

I know my opinion means nothing, but I'm still gonna voice my opposition. That's what makes America great.

Nobody is stopping you..

(03-10-2021, 02:34 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-09-2021, 08:40 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Cam Robinson isn't even bad.. all of you are so blind. We had Minshew and Girrafe neck holding the ball forever.. just watch what happens if T-Law lives up to the bill. Our oline will be considered top 5.

Finally, someone that knows..

it was just a matter of time 

Yeah guys, great QBs clearly don't need a good O-line, look what Mahomes did in the SB. Look at Andrew Luck. Look at Russel Wilson. I bet Burrow don't want a good O-line either!

(03-10-2021, 10:39 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-10-2021, 10:36 AM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]I could agree or disagree with it all day long until I'm blue in the face.. Years ago, I've come to terms that my opinion is only my opinion and it serves no merit on how this team is run, I gave up.. I'm along for the ride, do or die.. Keep your knowledge..

I know my opinion means nothing, but I'm still gonna voice my opposition. That's what makes America great.

To me, it is also the purpose of this board.  If someone blindly agrees with every single thing the Jaguars do, then they are contributing nothing to the conversation.  If someone just wants to hear that every Jaguars' move is smart and wonderful then they should read articles written by the Jaguars PR staff.  If you have a mind and like to use it to discuss the Jaguars, then that's the intended purpose of this place.

(03-10-2021, 01:45 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-10-2021, 10:39 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]I know my opinion means nothing, but I'm still gonna voice my opposition. That's what makes America great.

To me, it is also the purpose of this board.  If someone blindly agrees with every single thing the Jaguars do, then they are contributing nothing to the conversation.  If someone just wants to hear that every Jaguars' move is smart and wonderful then they should read articles written by the Jaguars PR staff.  If you have a mind and like to use it to discuss the Jaguars, then that's the intended purpose of this place.

Agreed completely.

Agreeing with everything the team does is being a Stepford fan.

(03-10-2021, 01:53 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-10-2021, 01:45 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]To me, it is also the purpose of this board.  If someone blindly agrees with every single thing the Jaguars do, then they are contributing nothing to the conversation.  If someone just wants to hear that every Jaguars' move is smart and wonderful then they should read articles written by the Jaguars PR staff.  If you have a mind and like to use it to discuss the Jaguars, then that's the intended purpose of this place.

Agreed completely.

Agreeing with everything the team does is being a Stepford fan.

While disagreeing with everything they do is usually trolling or hysteria.

Jags Fans: "These coaches can't develop talent. Everyone that leaves here gets better!"

Jags get new coaches

Same Jags Fans: "I can't believe they are keeping that guy! He sucks! These coaches don't know nothing!"

(03-10-2021, 09:12 AM)JeepJag Wrote: [ -> ]On sports radio this morning, they were discussing a podcast from yesterday in which Trent Williams stated, “You might be barking up the right tree,” when asked about a quote from Richard Sherman indicating he expected Williams to re-sign with San Francisco.

I know it’s shocking, but the football people may have actually done their homework and already knew we weren’t going to get him.

Did they mention the part of that same podcast where Trent said he would absolutely consider Jax because he believes Tlaw is a plug and play from day 1 QB and that he likes the warmth and tax situation in Florida?

(03-10-2021, 02:04 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-10-2021, 01:53 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]Agreed completely.

Agreeing with everything the team does is being a Stepford fan.

While disagreeing with everything they do is usually trolling or hysteria.

This is also true.

(03-10-2021, 01:45 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-10-2021, 10:39 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]I know my opinion means nothing, but I'm still gonna voice my opposition. That's what makes America great.

To me, it is also the purpose of this board.  If someone blindly agrees with every single thing the Jaguars do, then they are contributing nothing to the conversation.  If someone just wants to hear that every Jaguars' move is smart and wonderful then they should read articles written by the Jaguars PR staff.  If you have a mind and like to use it to discuss the Jaguars, then that's the intended purpose of this place.

Thank you. Some moves we agree with and some we don't. This board is a place to present our arguments, good or bad.

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(03-10-2021, 02:06 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]Jags Fans:  "These coaches can't develop talent.  Everyone that leaves here gets better!"

Jags get new coaches

Same Jags Fans:  "I can't believe they are keeping that guy!  He sucks!  These coaches don't know nothing!"

This was not the case at our most vulnerable position though, (O-Line.) We kept the same coach that has not been able to develop an OT for many, many years.