(03-11-2021, 06:05 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (03-10-2021, 02:13 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Did they mention the part of that same podcast where Trent said he would absolutely consider Jax because he believes Tlaw is a plug and play from day 1 QB and that he likes the warmth and tax situation in Florida?
I think he's probably just playing the game and pumping up his price. If we break the bank for him, he'll sign here. But it can be argued that breaking the bank for a 32 year old player is not the wisest thing to do when you're starting a rebuild from 1-15.
Having a couple of duds like Cam Robinson and Jawaan Taylor starting at OT's when you've just invested the #1 overall pick on a franchise QB is even more unwise. I'd rather take the risk of a overpaying for a 32 year old franchise LT, any day of the week.
(03-11-2021, 06:12 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (03-10-2021, 11:13 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]I think we’re fine with Robinson at LT. He’s got low mileage and he doesn’t break the bank. Our QB will make him even better. Then you guys can log into your PFF accounts and feel happy when his ranking improves.
There’s never going to be an offseason when a team hits on everything us fans are wanting. He’s not Boselli but he sure ain’t Joeckel.
That's the thing. We traded Eugene Monroe because we wanted to move Luke Joeckel to LT. And that should be a lesson to all of us, to be careful with moves like that. It's easy to say, let Cam just walk in free agency, he sucks, blah blah blah. But until you have a better player to replace him, it might be wise to franchise the guy for one year and see what comes along. Meyer said this is not a good year to be looking for a LT. I think that's why they franchised Cam. They didn't want to take the chance that if they let him walk, they would wind up with someone worse.
And besides, we still don't know the future at LT. They just didn't want to let our starting LT walk away and leave a hole there.
Then Meyer is an idiot. He retained the worst O-Line coach in the NFL, so we already know that he knows nothing about judging the O-Line. This is the best LT class in the last 5 years. What if we wait until next year and Robinson continues not to improve? What if next year's draft class goes back to what it was in 2019 when the entire class sucked? Then what do we do? Our window would be shrinking. If Lawrence is as good as advertised, we have a window of about 4 years before he demands Dak Prescott type money. Then, we're really gonna struggle to get good pieces around around him and stay under the cap. We have to get this right asap.
You guys are so gun shy about getting someone worse, because of our past, that you are willing to settle for subpar players. That's no way to build a winning team. You have to take some minimal risk and replacing a subpar player with someone new is about as low risk as it gets. It's not like we're trying to replace an effective starter, we're replacing an OT that isn't even average.
Maybe he’s also not tipping his hand?
We have no clue what Meyer is actually going to do. Maybe he’s got a big offer in for Trent.
(03-11-2021, 10:11 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (03-11-2021, 06:05 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I think he's probably just playing the game and pumping up his price. If we break the bank for him, he'll sign here. But it can be argued that breaking the bank for a 32 year old player is not the wisest thing to do when you're starting a rebuild from 1-15.
Having a couple of duds like Cam Robinson and Jawaan Taylor starting at OT's when you've just invested the #1 overall pick on a franchise QB is even more unwise. I'd rather take the risk of a overpaying for a 32 year old franchise LT, any day of the week.
I think most people would. The problem with your plan is that when you have neither Robinson nor Trent you end up worse off than you are by just tagging Cam. We really do get that you hate the guy, but most rational people don't think it's a great idea to go into the offseason without a guy who can start next year already on the roster. Yeah, you think any can of lima beans is better than Robinson, but we all know that it could very easily be much worse than him, even with a shiny new high draft pick on the roster come April.
(03-11-2021, 10:42 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (03-11-2021, 10:11 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Having a couple of duds like Cam Robinson and Jawaan Taylor starting at OT's when you've just invested the #1 overall pick on a franchise QB is even more unwise. I'd rather take the risk of a overpaying for a 32 year old franchise LT, any day of the week.
I think most people would. The problem with your plan is that when you have neither Robinson nor Trent you end up worse off than you are by just tagging Cam. We really do get that you hate the guy, but most rational people don't think it's a great idea to go into the offseason without a guy who can start next year already on the roster. Yeah, you think any can of lima beans is better than Robinson, but we all know that it could very easily be much worse than him, even with a shiny new high draft pick on the roster come April.
I dislike Robinson. I hate Jawaan Taylor and George Warhop.
Robinson and Taylor have already proven that they can't protect to QB, so it would be a minimal risk to go all in on an upgrade. I just don't get this "gunshy" mentality where you guys are willing to settle for subpar players, because we might not hit on an upgrade. Settling for subpar players is why we were 1-15 last year. We're bringing in what is supposed to be, a generational QB and many of you are willing to try and protect him with below average OT's, because we might end up with someone worse? Really? We know what we have is below average. Why not change our thinking and focus on getting someone better? You say we could end up with someone worse. I say we could end up with someone better. What if we keep Robinson and he doesn't get any better? What if next year's OT class looks like it did in 2019 when the entire class was subpar? Then what? This OT class is arguably better than it's been in 5 years. Both Trent Williams and Riley Reiff are available in free agency. Both would be huge upgrades. Keeping Robinson and starting him opposite Jawaan Taylor for Trevor Lawrence would be inexcusable and an unnecessary risk.
I do think there is some psychological stumbling block with the fanbase where we are scared of being good.
(03-11-2021, 11:31 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]I do think there is some psychological stumbling block with the fanbase where we are scared of being good.
This phrase irritates the living hell out of me and gets thrown around WAY too much on this board.
A few posters =/= 'this fanbase'
Carry on.
(03-11-2021, 11:01 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (03-11-2021, 10:42 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]I think most people would. The problem with your plan is that when you have neither Robinson nor Trent you end up worse off than you are by just tagging Cam. We really do get that you hate the guy, but most rational people don't think it's a great idea to go into the offseason without a guy who can start next year already on the roster. Yeah, you think any can of lima beans is better than Robinson, but we all know that it could very easily be much worse than him, even with a shiny new high draft pick on the roster come April.
I dislike Robinson. I hate Jawaan Taylor and George Warhop.
Robinson and Taylor have already proven that they can't protect to QB, so it would be a minimal risk to go all in on an upgrade. I just don't get this "gunshy" mentality where you guys are willing to settle for subpar players, because we might not hit on an upgrade. Settling for subpar players is why we were 1-15 last year. We're bringing in what is supposed to be, a generational QB and many of you are willing to try and protect him with below average OT's, because we might end up with someone worse? Really? We know what we have is below average. Why not change our thinking and focus on getting someone better? You say we could end up with someone worse. I say we could end up with someone better. What if we keep Robinson and he doesn't get any better? What if next year's OT class looks like it did in 2019 when the entire class was subpar? Then what? This OT class is arguably better than it's been in 5 years. Both Trent Williams and Riley Reiff are available in free agency. Both would be huge upgrades. Keeping Robinson and starting him opposite Jawaan Taylor for Trevor Lawrence would be inexcusable and an unnecessary risk.
What are they supposed to do at this point? Free agency and the draft hasn't even happened yet.
So they tag Cam to make sure they have an experienced LT on the roster. That is the intelligent thing to do when you have a rookie QB coming in and there are no guarantees they will find an immediate upgrade in free agency or the draft.
Right now Cam is a 1 year insurance policy.
You are acting like they signed him to a big multi year contract.
(03-11-2021, 01:16 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ] (03-11-2021, 11:01 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]I dislike Robinson. I hate Jawaan Taylor and George Warhop.
Robinson and Taylor have already proven that they can't protect to QB, so it would be a minimal risk to go all in on an upgrade. I just don't get this "gunshy" mentality where you guys are willing to settle for subpar players, because we might not hit on an upgrade. Settling for subpar players is why we were 1-15 last year. We're bringing in what is supposed to be, a generational QB and many of you are willing to try and protect him with below average OT's, because we might end up with someone worse? Really? We know what we have is below average. Why not change our thinking and focus on getting someone better? You say we could end up with someone worse. I say we could end up with someone better. What if we keep Robinson and he doesn't get any better? What if next year's OT class looks like it did in 2019 when the entire class was subpar? Then what? This OT class is arguably better than it's been in 5 years. Both Trent Williams and Riley Reiff are available in free agency. Both would be huge upgrades. Keeping Robinson and starting him opposite Jawaan Taylor for Trevor Lawrence would be inexcusable and an unnecessary risk.
What are they supposed to do at this point? Free agency and the draft hasn't even happened yet.
So they tag Cam to make sure they have an experienced LT on the roster. That is the intelligent thing to do when you have a rookie QB coming in and there are no guarantees they will find an immediate upgrade in free agency or the draft.
Right now Cam is a 1 year insurance policy.
You are acting like they signed him to a big multi year contract.
Apparently you haven't seen the interview with Meyer where he said he wants to keep Robinson for a long time
(03-11-2021, 01:16 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]What are they supposed to do at this point? Free agency and the draft hasn't even happened yet.
So they tag Cam to make sure they have an experienced LT on the roster. That is the intelligent thing to do when you have a rookie QB coming in and there are no guarantees they will find an immediate upgrade in free agency or the draft.
Right now Cam is a 1 year insurance policy.
You are acting like they signed him to a big multi year contract.
Anything. Literally anything else. We have now posted from at least 3 professional sources who said Cam is anywhere from bottom tier to literally the worst LT in the league. And there was more that I saw that I didn't bother posting because it doesn't matter and fanatics are going to fanatic. Put on a blindfold and throw a dart at a board of LT options and you are virtually guaranteed to get an upgrade on Cam.
I thought Meyer would just tell Cam that he'll just use him for a year and then let him go..
(03-11-2021, 01:58 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (03-11-2021, 01:16 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]What are they supposed to do at this point? Free agency and the draft hasn't even happened yet.
So they tag Cam to make sure they have an experienced LT on the roster. That is the intelligent thing to do when you have a rookie QB coming in and there are no guarantees they will find an immediate upgrade in free agency or the draft.
Right now Cam is a 1 year insurance policy.
You are acting like they signed him to a big multi year contract.
Apparently you haven't seen the interview with Meyer where he said he wants to keep Robinson for a long time
What would you expect him to say? Publicly come out and say he is a short term fix and doesn't see a future in him?
That wouldn't create a disgruntled player.
If he really was sold on keeping Cam, he would have given him a long term contract. Actions speak louder than words.
Sure he wants to keep Cam for a long time if he goes out and performs up to his potential.
I think we all would.
(03-11-2021, 02:09 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ] (03-11-2021, 01:58 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Apparently you haven't seen the interview with Meyer where he said he wants to keep Robinson for a long time
What would you expect him to say? Publicly come out and say he is a short term fix and doesn't see a future in him?
That wouldn't create a disgruntled player.
If he really was sold on keeping Cam, he would have given him a long term contract. Actions speak louder than words.
Sure he wants to keep Cam for a long time if he goes out and performs up to his potential.
I think we all would.
So the majority of us caught onto that coach speak, except for a very few of us..
(03-11-2021, 02:10 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ] (03-11-2021, 02:09 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]What would you expect him to say? Publicly come out and say he is a short term fix and doesn't see a future in him?
That wouldn't create a disgruntled player.
If he really was sold on keeping Cam, he would have given him a long term contract. Actions speak louder than words.
Sure he wants to keep Cam for a long time if he goes out and performs up to his potential.
I think we all would.
So the majority of us caught onto that coach speak, except for a very few of us..
Then what else would they complain about?
(03-11-2021, 02:13 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ] (03-11-2021, 02:10 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]So the majority of us caught onto that coach speak, except for a very few of us..
Then what else would they complain about?
Don't make me break out.. The List
Haha
(03-09-2021, 08:45 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-09-2021, 08:43 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Rookie left tackles are rarely good the first season.
This, especially ones drafted 25 or later
Yeah but Oline Matters wants us to reach for some mediocre OT @ 25 because he sees weakness at LT as if he's some harbinger.
Franchising Cam allows to go BAP @ 25 instead of handcuffing us with some bum OT that can't even play LT
For years we have been releasing players without contingency plans. I can understand this move. I hope we have better players but you have to not get into decisions that are forced.
How long have we burned the franchise with forcing the roster into a corner?
(03-11-2021, 03:42 PM)MoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]For years we have been releasing players without contingency plans. I can understand this move. I hope we have better players but you have to not get into decisions that are forced.
How long have we burned the franchise with forcing the roster into a corner?
14M for the worst player at his position in the league is a hell of a contingency.
(03-11-2021, 04:48 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ] (03-11-2021, 03:42 PM)MoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]For years we have been releasing players without contingency plans. I can understand this move. I hope we have better players but you have to not get into decisions that are forced.
How long have we burned the franchise with forcing the roster into a corner?
14M for the worst player at his position in the league is a hell of a contingency.
Pure hyperbole to call him the worst in the league.
If we acquire someone better, he can be dealt.
If not, you do what you have to do.
(03-11-2021, 11:31 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]I do think there is some psychological stumbling block with the fanbase where we are scared of being good.
Some have battered house wife/stockholm syndrome.
Some fought to the end for Gus Bradley, Gene Smith, Marrone, Wash, and every other bad coach that has come through here. Some put blinders on and ignore the results. Some to this day will argue that Dave Caldwell was a good GM. Insanity!