(04-29-2021, 08:39 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (04-29-2021, 08:33 AM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]Woohoo! Been a long wait but here we are. Welcome to Duval Trevor.
Still not sure what we do with our second 1st round pick. Like that it's a bit of mystery.
Plus I cant wait to see what the Niners do with that #3 pick? Can Fields really drop all the way to the Pat's?
If the Jaguars trade up from 25, I want to see how far they deal up.
The Cardinals at 16 seems to be a good spot. They have no picks in the 3rd and 4th round because of earlier trades.
But if they traded up, who would be the target?
One of the top O linemen remaining.
with the 2021 first picks jags select snowwolf from north carolina.
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just some draft day humor. they did select me though on Madden 21.
we won't know if the players jags draft are good or not until on field. Huge difference between college,and nfl football.
(04-29-2021, 06:42 AM)JagsorDie Wrote: [ -> ] (04-29-2021, 06:29 AM)mal234 Wrote: [ -> ]I think this could definitely end up being one of the most interesting drafts that has been had in a bit. We know what the Jags are going to do with the #1 pick, but I am interested to see what they do with other picks as well. I'm also interested in seeing what teams do in general. Some predictions I have are that Jimmy G could be traded tonight, possibly back to the Patriots. I could also see the Patriots/Bill Belichick having good enough fortune to get someone like Trey Lance, maybe even Justin Fields if he falls that far. Speaking of Justin, I don't think his draft stock should have fallen the way it has the past few weeks. I really do feel like he should still be considered the #2, no less than #3 QB in this draft. A team passing on him and choosing someone like Mac Jones could end up in some ways mirroring what happened regarding what happened Mitchell Trubisky was taken higher, when teams passed on Deshaun Watson.
Agreed with what you said but to your point in bold, I don’t think it has fallen quite as much as the media claims. It’s always easy, around this time, to forget that media may have some inside scoops but they aren’t the front offices. He could and still probably is #2 on most draft boards. I find it funny as well that a guy can not play a snap for 6 months yet according to the media, he is far behind lance and Wilson.
Good thing for us is the thoughts around Trevor have not waivered much, if any, since his last snap. Great day to e a Jaguar.
It is interesting to hear the media keep hyping up the other prospects, especially since when the season was going on they were saying Justin would go no less than #2. At least a few were even making a case for him to be the #1 pick. Now they are making it sound like he might be waiting for a bit to be called and they keep touting prospects like Mac Jones as going very high. This feels like it could really could be another Mitchell Trubisky/Deshaun Watson situation. The 49ers need to be careful and really think about what is the best direction for their team. They will get a lot of ridicule if they don't end up making the right decision regarding QB. If they pass up on Justin or take Mac and he doesn't do that well, they definitely won't look good. Especially considering how much they gave up to get to the #3 spot and since it looks like they are already ready to move off of Jimmy G. (Who has ups and downs and an injury history but still helped take them to a Super Bowl not too long ago.)
(04-29-2021, 07:44 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (04-29-2021, 06:29 AM)mal234 Wrote: [ -> ]I think this could definitely end up being one of the most interesting drafts that has been had in a bit. We know what the Jags are going to do with the #1 pick, but I am interested to see what they do with other picks as well. I'm also interested in seeing what teams do in general. Some predictions I have are that Jimmy G could be traded tonight, possibly back to the Patriots. I could also see the Patriots/Bill Belichick having good enough fortune to get someone like Trey Lance, maybe even Justin Fields if he falls that far. Speaking of Justin, I don't think his draft stock should have fallen the way it has the past few weeks. I really do feel like he should still be considered the #2, no less than #3 QB in this draft. A team passing on him and choosing someone like Mac Jones could end up in some ways mirroring what happened regarding what happened Mitchell Trubisky was taken higher, when teams passed on Deshaun Watson.
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It's quite possible that Garoppolo could be traded this weekend. It'll be interesting to see what they could get for him. On the one hand, he has QBd the 49ers to a Super Bowl and is still relatively young. There will still be some QB desperate teams out there by the middle of the first round. On the other hand, it's beyond obvious the 49ers have given up on him. Despite his resume, the 49ers feel he is obsolete for their purposes. My guess is they get a 2nd or 4rd round pick for him.
As for Minshew, I would be okay with the team keeping him, as long as we only see him in a preseason game, or in mop up duty in the late stages of a blowout Jaguars win. If he stays, though, it would be quote the dynamic. Two popular QBs on the team...both with interesting hair. You couldn't have two more different personalities-at least from what I've seen. You have Trevor Lawrence, straight laced devout Christian, already married, highly drafted, tall, strong armed. Then you have Minshew, the mullet wearing Burt Reynolds reminiscent, spunky guy who got an offer from a porn site to do exercises, who has worn some outlandish clothing for laughs. As for why they didn't trade him before now...who knows? Maybe they think they will get more for him if another QB gets injured. Maybe they'll get more for him as the draft progresses. Perhaps the most interested said to wait until the draft. Maybe they actually like him and they want strong competition for the back up spot. If we deal him, I wouldn't expect to get more than a 4th or 5th. But if he's traded, I too hope he goes to a good situation, as long as it isn't to a team I hate, and as long as he doesn't come back to beat us.
I had definitely thought they might trade Jimmy tonight. Though, now reports are coming out from Adam Schefter that the 49ers are not looking to trade him (though teams are asking about him), unless they are blown away by an offer. I wonder if they are bluffing a bit or trying to force a team to give them a good haul for Jimmy. I think they could definitely work something out and trade him back to the Patriots. I also wonder what other teams are asking about Jimmy. Maybe a team like Washington.
And I've heard rumblings that the Lions might even be looking to make a move regarding QB as well, so maybe something will happen on that front. Maybe something interesting might happen there in the draft or with Atlanta. Atlanta could definitely turn things on its heels in the draft if they actually went and got a QB with their pick. Though, I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't do that. Maybe they will try and trade back.
(04-29-2021, 08:43 AM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ] (04-29-2021, 08:39 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]If the Jaguars trade up from 25, I want to see how far they deal up.
The Cardinals at 16 seems to be a good spot. They have no picks in the 3rd and 4th round because of earlier trades.
But if they traded up, who would be the target?
One of the top O linemen remaining.
Amen!
I just want 2 things out of this draft. Everything else will just be a bonus. I want Trevor Lawrence and one
good OT. It doesn't matter if it's a LT or a RT. I just want someone reliable, protecting one of the edges.
(04-29-2021, 07:54 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (04-29-2021, 07:19 AM)tyus Wrote: [ -> ]will there be a commercial break during the Jag's first pick today?
Somebody posted they overheard ESPN promising not to cut to commercial break during the Lawrence pick. Not intending to cast aspersions on whomever posted it, but I'm not sure how much credence to give that, assuming that's what he heard. I'm not sure if ESPN would even acknowledge how ridiculous they are in always cutting to commercial or interviewing someone else not associated with our team when we are on the clock. Nor am I convinced that, even assuming ESPN would make that promise, they would keep that promise.
But I heard last night there is potentially something else that could let ESPN off the hook. I don't know hoe true this is, but there is supposed to be a really bad lightning storm forecast to go through Cleveland tonight.
It would be just my luck that the end of the world occurs at roughly 8:11PM tonite.
Ah well, fun while it lasted, I guess
[font=Arial][font=Arial]Vic Ketchman is such a putz.
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He poopoos the Jags for ordaining TL as the next great thing before seriously entertaining trading the pick for other valuable picks.
Meanwhile, he previously claimed if Carolina could trade up and acquire TL, it would be the master stroke for long-term improvement of the team and help to enlarge their fanbase in, you guessed it, his resident state of South Carolina.
Up yours, Vic.
Carter from Fernandina Beach, FL
Vic, I imagine your comments regarding Trevor Lawrence on Monday led to an interesting inbox on Tuesday. Yet, aren't the questions/issues you raise exactly the kinds of questions/issues an NFL GM must address and answer regarding every draft pick, let alone the first pick in the draft? That said, if you were acting as the Jags' GM, is there any other pick you would make at No. 1? If Lawrence's name isn't on the card turned into the league, I would imagine it would be torches and pitchforks and tar and feathers coming to One Stadium Place.
So what would it be if Lawrence is a bust? Oh, that's OK, everyone said he was the right pick? It doesn't work that way. A franchise twists and turns with every first-round pick it makes. It agonizes over what player it should select. I haven't seen enough agonizing by the Jaguars. This pick was made months ago. Is there another player I would pick with the first overall selection? I don't think that's the right question to ask. Lawrence belongs in the top spot. The question is should the Jaguars trade that pick and collect the king's ransom that would help the Jaguars rebuild quickly? Could they trade the pick and still get the quarterback they need? I haven't seen enough debate along those lines.
Michael from Sanford, FL
Regarding Dustin from Orlando, "The Jaguars donated $11,203 to Trevor Lawrence as a wedding gift to give to his charities. He, in turn, donated $20,000 to Jaguars charities. Something about this rubs me the wrong way. I'm assuming it's allowed but it just doesn't sit well with me. What's your take on it, Vic?" That's a significant misrepresentation of facts. Jags fans bought him and his wife a high-tech toaster and then kept at it by donating money to charities he supports. In return, they donated $20K to charities based in Jacksonville. The Jaguars organization had nothing to do with any of it, and that detail seems important to me.
My answer remains the same: Too close too soon. You people are so love-struck with Lawrence you're acting like teenage girls. Buy him a wedding gift?
(04-29-2021, 09:06 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (04-29-2021, 07:54 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]But I heard last night there is potentially something else that could let ESPN off the hook. I don't know hoe true this is, but there is supposed to be a really bad lightning storm forecast to go through Cleveland tonight.
It would be just my luck that the end of the world occurs at roughly 8:11PM tonite.
Ah well, fun while it lasted, I guess
The clock won't start until the NFL goes through their opening segment so that means we'd all die prior to taking Trevor.
(04-29-2021, 09:07 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ][font=Arial][font=Arial]Vic Ketchman is such a putz.
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Michael from Sanford, FL
Regarding Dustin from Orlando, "The Jaguars donated $11,203 to Trevor Lawrence as a wedding gift to give to his charities. He, in turn, donated $20,000 to Jaguars charities. Something about this rubs me the wrong way. I'm assuming it's allowed but it just doesn't sit well with me. What's your take on it, Vic?" That's a significant misrepresentation of facts. Jags fans bought him and his wife a high-tech toaster and then kept at it by donating money to charities he supports. In return, they donated $20K to charities based in Jacksonville. The Jaguars organization had nothing to do with any of it, and that detail seems important to me.
My answer remains the same: Too close too soon. You people are so love-struck with Lawrence you're acting like teenage girls. Buy him a wedding gift?
What a [BLEEP] response. The dude had a legit point because what if something like this were against NFL rules. Could they have jeopardized the #1 pick by issuing gifts to draft candidates? I assume they looked into this legally prior to sending the gift but dang, why even bother risking anything since the NFL would likely prefer Trevor going to the Jets.
one thing to say. 1998 draft, Peyton Manning #1, Ryan Leaf #2 . They were 1a and 1b, with the Colts holding #1 pick. Some pundits tried all they could to say Ryan was really the best pick.
(04-29-2021, 09:25 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ] (04-29-2021, 09:07 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ][font=Arial][font=Arial]Vic Ketchman is such a putz.
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Michael from Sanford, FL
Regarding Dustin from Orlando, "The Jaguars donated $11,203 to Trevor Lawrence as a wedding gift to give to his charities. He, in turn, donated $20,000 to Jaguars charities. Something about this rubs me the wrong way. I'm assuming it's allowed but it just doesn't sit well with me. What's your take on it, Vic?" That's a significant misrepresentation of facts. Jags fans bought him and his wife a high-tech toaster and then kept at it by donating money to charities he supports. In return, they donated $20K to charities based in Jacksonville. The Jaguars organization had nothing to do with any of it, and that detail seems important to me.
My answer remains the same: Too close too soon. You people are so love-struck with Lawrence you're acting like teenage girls. Buy him a wedding gift?
What a [BLEEP] response. The dude had a legit point because what if something like this were against NFL rules. Could they have jeopardized the #1 pick by issuing gifts to draft candidates? I assume they looked into this legally prior to sending the gift but dang, why even bother risking anything since the NFL would likely prefer Trevor going to the Jets.
It is my understanding that once the school year is over and the player is no longer part of the team, they can seek endorsements, accept gifts and other things without it being an issue. If he had gotten married during the season and fans in Jacksonville knew we were getting him and sent him gifts, that probably would've been an issue.
With that said, Vic has always been a first class jerk.
(04-29-2021, 08:39 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (04-29-2021, 08:33 AM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]Woohoo! Been a long wait but here we are. Welcome to Duval Trevor.
Still not sure what we do with our second 1st round pick. Like that it's a bit of mystery.
Plus I cant wait to see what the Niners do with that #3 pick? Can Fields really drop all the way to the Pat's?
If the Jaguars trade up from 25, I want to see how far they deal up.
The Cardinals at 16 seems to be a good spot. They have no picks in the 3rd and 4th round because of earlier trades.
But if they traded up, who would be the target?
I'd only do this for Darrisaw if they've graded him much higher than the next group of tackles (Eichenberg, Cosmi, Brown, Radunz, etc.). I expect him to be taken by Minnesota at 14, however. I'd prefer trading up back into the 2nd if there is a run on these other tackles. They'd likely have to only give up their 3rd and 2nd 4th rounder- depending on how far they move up. In this scenerio they would end up with 3 very solid players in round 2. I don't believe many would be unhappy with any of those 4 tackles + one of the Moore's (prefer Elijah) and Freirmuth. These 3 offensive players would help Lawrence immensely. They'll still need a complementary back and another edge rusher, but I believe they can make this happen by trading up a ew more times. Having the first pick in each round makes this a lot easiier to do.
As much as im excited about #1 and TREVOR (he must be capitalized), the #25 pick excites me too. A LOT of mocks have Jacksonville standing pat and taking either Christian Barmore out of Alabama or Trevon Moehring out of TCU. Although it has to be taken with a HUGE grain of salt and its coming from WalterFootball, but Barmore's NFL Comp is Chris Jones (2x All Pro) of the Chiefs (similar size, raw coming out of college), while Moehrig's comp is Kenny Vaccaro (7 year starter for Saints/tacks). Could you imagine getting TREVOR and a Chris Jones clone in the first round? Wow
https://walterfootball.com/scoutingrepor...armore.php
https://walterfootball.com/scoutingrepor...oehrig.php
(04-29-2021, 08:39 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (04-29-2021, 08:33 AM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]Woohoo! Been a long wait but here we are. Welcome to Duval Trevor.
Still not sure what we do with our second 1st round pick. Like that it's a bit of mystery.
Plus I cant wait to see what the Niners do with that #3 pick? Can Fields really drop all the way to the Pat's?
If the Jaguars trade up from 25, I want to see how far they deal up.
The Cardinals at 16 seems to be a good spot. They have no picks in the 3rd and 4th round because of earlier trades.
But if they traded up, who would be the target?
Agreed. Caldwell liked having drafts come to him but with 2 1st rounders and #1 through each of the rounds, if they see a guy they really like I'd want us to be aggressive. Rather have 2 guys we absolutely love than just waiting for our picks
(04-29-2021, 09:59 AM)jaglou53 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-29-2021, 08:39 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]If the Jaguars trade up from 25, I want to see how far they deal up.
The Cardinals at 16 seems to be a good spot. They have no picks in the 3rd and 4th round because of earlier trades.
But if they traded up, who would be the target?
I'd only do this for Darrisaw if they've graded him much higher than the next group of tackles (Eichenberg, Cosmi, Brown, Radunz, etc.). I expect him to be taken by Minnesota at 14, however. I'd prefer trading up back into the 2nd if there is a run on these other tackles. They'd likely have to only give up their 3rd and 2nd 4th rounder- depending on how far they move up. In this scenerio they would end up with 3 very solid players in round 2. I don't believe many would be unhappy with any of those 4 tackles + one of the Moore's (prefer Elijah) and Freirmuth. These 3 offensive players would help Lawrence immensely. They'll still need a complementary back and another edge rusher, but I believe they can make this happen by trading up a ew more times. Having the first pick in each round makes this a lot easiier to do.
Dream scenario? TREVOR, Barmore at 25. Freirmuth at 33. Looking at last year's stats, the team as a whole only gave up 42 sacks between Minshew/Luton/Glennon. They did a pretty good breakdown on SBNation where quite a few were mistakes where Minshew held the ball too long or panicked and ran INTO a sack. If they cut that down to about 32 sacks on the season, along with improved decision making from Trevor, a strong second year from Robinson and improved season from the NEW WR corps of Chark/Jones/Shinault/Dorsett/Johnson/Agnew/Johnson(?), and then add in a capable TE threat of Freirmuth.....the offense would look markedly different. Ideally, if I could have ANY OL from the 2nd/3rd it'd be Quinn Meinerz from UW-Whitewater. I watched the Senior Bowl and that kid just MANHANDLED people at G.
On defense, I think a interior line of Malcom Brown and Barmore is a LOT stronger than he had last year, which should increase the run defense and give the secondary time to make plays.
I like the idea of taking Trevor #1 and using #25 for a defensive stud. I believe our second round #1 is the place we can get the most value trading back. (but it would have to be really good value)
(04-29-2021, 09:07 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ][font=Arial][font=Arial]Vic Ketchman is such a putz.
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He poopoos the Jags for ordaining TL as the next great thing before seriously entertaining trading the pick for other valuable picks.
Meanwhile, he previously claimed if Carolina could trade up and acquire TL, it would be the master stroke for long-term improvement of the team and help to enlarge their fanbase in, you guessed it, his resident state of South Carolina.
Up yours, Vic.
Carter from Fernandina Beach, FL
Vic, I imagine your comments regarding Trevor Lawrence on Monday led to an interesting inbox on Tuesday. Yet, aren't the questions/issues you raise exactly the kinds of questions/issues an NFL GM must address and answer regarding every draft pick, let alone the first pick in the draft? That said, if you were acting as the Jags' GM, is there any other pick you would make at No. 1? If Lawrence's name isn't on the card turned into the league, I would imagine it would be torches and pitchforks and tar and feathers coming to One Stadium Place.
So what would it be if Lawrence is a bust? Oh, that's OK, everyone said he was the right pick? It doesn't work that way. A franchise twists and turns with every first-round pick it makes. It agonizes over what player it should select. I haven't seen enough agonizing by the Jaguars. This pick was made months ago. Is there another player I would pick with the first overall selection? I don't think that's the right question to ask. Lawrence belongs in the top spot. The question is should the Jaguars trade that pick and collect the king's ransom that would help the Jaguars rebuild quickly? Could they trade the pick and still get the quarterback they need? I haven't seen enough debate along those lines.
Michael from Sanford, FL
Regarding Dustin from Orlando, "The Jaguars donated $11,203 to Trevor Lawrence as a wedding gift to give to his charities. He, in turn, donated $20,000 to Jaguars charities. Something about this rubs me the wrong way. I'm assuming it's allowed but it just doesn't sit well with me. What's your take on it, Vic?" That's a significant misrepresentation of facts. Jags fans bought him and his wife a high-tech toaster and then kept at it by donating money to charities he supports. In return, they donated $20K to charities based in Jacksonville. The Jaguars organization had nothing to do with any of it, and that detail seems important to me.
My answer remains the same: Too close too soon. You people are so love-struck with Lawrence you're acting like teenage girls. Buy him a wedding gift?
He's a complete [BLEEP].
He spent his entire time here regaling us with his "When I was in band camp" stories about his time in Pukesburgh, and how the Jaguars should do things the way the Steelers did.
When the Steelers had the #1 overall pick, they didn't trade back for a bunch of picks. They stood there and took Bradshaw. They won 4 Super Bowls afterwards.
When the Steelers had the chance to draft big Ben, they didn't trade back. They took Big Ben and went to three more Super Bowls.
Now that the Jaguars finally have their chance to get their Bradshaw, he craps on the idea.
Screw Ketchman!
(04-29-2021, 09:33 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (04-29-2021, 09:25 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]What a [BLEEP] response. The dude had a legit point because what if something like this were against NFL rules. Could they have jeopardized the #1 pick by issuing gifts to draft candidates? I assume they looked into this legally prior to sending the gift but dang, why even bother risking anything since the NFL would likely prefer Trevor going to the Jets.
It is my understanding that once the school year is over and the player is no longer part of the team, they can seek endorsements, accept gifts and other things without it being an issue. If he had gotten married during the season and fans in Jacksonville knew we were getting him and sent him gifts, that probably would've been an issue.
With that said, Vic has always been a first class jerk.
OK, so are you stating the Jets could give Trevor Lawrence $50 million cash gift prior to the draft resulting in Trevor independently stating he will not play for the Jags (pulling a John Elway or Eli Manning trick). Jets subsequently offer the Jags the #2 pick + 1st round picks in 2022 and 2023 -- the Jags being backed into a corner, accept the deal. That's legal? Perhaps the requirement of the NFL having to approve all trades could be justification for the NFL to shut down the shady deal.
Ian Rapoport is saying that the Jags might start exploring trading options for Gardner this weekend. Maybe they won't move him until very significant draft picks are made and things start to settle for different teams.
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1387809812373721096
Also, one team I think that might actually could surprise people by looking at other QB options is the Eagles. I wonder if they might try and move up in the draft. They basically said recently they aren't ready to name/commit to Jalen Hurts being the starter for next season. (Which is something considering they traded away Carson Wentz and kept Jalen). So maybe they might make a move to get another QB. Or at least look at one. I also heard rumors that the Dolphins might be interested in acquiring another QB, because they aren't completely sold on Tua.
(04-29-2021, 01:12 PM)mal234 Wrote: [ -> ]Ian Rapoport is saying that the Jags might start exploring trading options for Gardner this weekend. Maybe they won't move him until very significant draft picks are made and things start to settle for different teams.
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1387809812373721096
Also, one team I think that might actually could surprise people by looking at other QB options is the Eagles. I wonder if they might try and move up in the draft. They basically said recently they aren't ready to name/commit to Jalen Hurts being the starter for next season. (Which is something considering they traded away Carson Wentz and kept Jalen). So maybe they might make a move to get another QB. Or at least look at one. I also heard rumors that the Dolphins might be interested in acquiring another QB, because they aren't completely sold on Tua.
I'd be thrilled if they could get a 5th rounder for him.