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(08-31-2021, 04:33 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (08-31-2021, 04:31 PM)CanDoBetter Wrote: [ -> ]Urban just said Jarrod Wilson is not completely out yet. Sounds like someone they could sign back very soon.
Good, out of all the defenders that got cut he's the one I want. He has never been special but at the same time has never been a reliability, that's what you want as depth at the very least. He also has a lot of starting experience
I would have kept Wilson. I heard someone refer to him as "average". With your bottom roster spot, you take average. We kept Wingard instead who is far below average.
Obviously it is a balance, but I'm less big on special teams as some. With the rules these days, most kickoffs go into the end zone anyway. I've just seen so many times that we keep a player for "special teams" and our special teams look no better than if we had just plugged some other guy into it. We then have an injury and that special teamer is forced to play offense/defense and the other team completely exploits him. See Wingard.
(08-31-2021, 06:30 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-30-2021, 11:10 PM)Bruuval Wrote: [ -> ]Cisco is a ball hawking safety they’ll probably roll out there during nickel. Quit crying over the 5th corner. They value Tyson Campbell way more than Jones. I’d much rather have a guy like Campbell sticking to his man but not getting his head turned in time. Jones got smoked a few times yesterday by a future UPS man.
(08-31-2021, 04:15 PM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ]
https://twitter.com/1010XL/status/143279...43617?s=19
The imbalance between the number of offensive and defensive players will quickly be closed when waiver wire players are signed. I highly suspect the Jaguars will sign a running back, wide receiver and tight end. When they do, they will likely cut 3 defensive players. That will make it 24 offensive to 26 defensive players. If they were to do one more, it would be even.
Why keep more defensive players right now? I'm guessing that they must believe that they have more talent on defense and are hoping that they might be able to swing a trade with another team for another late round draft pick.
(08-31-2021, 05:36 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]By now we know what Bryan's ceiling is and he's hit it.
We have a new scheme and a new coaching staff. Meyer obviously must not be convinced that Bryan has definitively hit it.
He also thought it was a good idea to keep Warhop as the O-Line coach and that we had a good enough O-Line last season that it will carry over enough to protect the franchise QB we've coveted for 25 years. I don't really trust his judgement.
Really surprised to see Collin Johnson cut. I thought his size would make him valuable in the red zone where speed is less of an issue. Costin was also an surprise. As for Taven, let's face it; he is a first rounder and they get second, third, forth chances that a late pick could only dream of.
(08-31-2021, 06:28 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ] (08-31-2021, 04:20 PM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ]Another pick coming our way!
https://twitter.com/iktriad/status/14328...25473?s=19
Jags are going to destory the bottom 3 rounds next year! Hopefully Urban and find some Diamonds in the rough in those rounds.
They have 8 picks in rounds 5th-7th. They should flip at least half of those and try to move back up into the 2nd-4th rounds for guys. They have no business making all 8 selections in those later rounds. Sure as hell aren't going to keep all of them on the roster and if they do, something went terribly wrong and this roster would prove to be awful if that was the case.
(08-31-2021, 04:20 PM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ]Another pick coming our way!
https://twitter.com/iktriad/status/14328...25473?s=19
Would rather have Oliver than pick #250
Hopefully we get Keke Coutee or Travis Fulgham. Fulgham was the Eagles best WR last year
(08-31-2021, 06:43 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-31-2021, 04:33 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Good, out of all the defenders that got cut he's the one I want. He has never been special but at the same time has never been a reliability, that's what you want as depth at the very least. He also has a lot of starting experience
I would have kept Wilson. I heard someone refer to him as "average". With your bottom roster spot, you take average. We kept Wingard instead who is far below average.
Obviously it is a balance, but I'm less big on special teams as some. With the rules these days, most kickoffs go into the end zone anyway. I've just seen so many times that we keep a player for "special teams" and our special teams look no better than if we had just plugged some other guy into it. We then have an injury and that special teamer is forced to play offense/defense and the other team completely exploits him. See Wingard.
My wording was "average at best" earlier in this thread. You can find an average backup safety with any of the million 6th rounders we've acquired. the other backup safety's like Wingard & Ford are both ST's aces. Jenkins, Cisco, Daniel Thomas are all superior at playing safety. Given that Wilson can't contribute on ST's and it would take 2-3 injuries to actually get him meaningful snaps on Defense (if you have that many injuries, you're not competing if your 4th safety is forced into meaningful action) that alone is a reason not to keep him, his higher cap hit is another reason to not keep him, his negative attitude and contribution to the dismal culture of the Jaguars is just the icing on the cake.
(08-31-2021, 07:16 PM)Firesky Wrote: [ -> ] (08-31-2021, 06:43 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]I would have kept Wilson. I heard someone refer to him as "average". With your bottom roster spot, you take average. We kept Wingard instead who is far below average.
Obviously it is a balance, but I'm less big on special teams as some. With the rules these days, most kickoffs go into the end zone anyway. I've just seen so many times that we keep a player for "special teams" and our special teams look no better than if we had just plugged some other guy into it. We then have an injury and that special teamer is forced to play offense/defense and the other team completely exploits him. See Wingard.
My wording was "average at best" earlier in this thread. You can find an average backup safety with any of the million 6th rounders we've acquired. the other backup safety's like Wingard & Ford are both ST's aces. Jenkins, Cisco, Daniel Thomas are all superior at playing safety. Given that Wilson can't contribute on ST's and it would take 2-3 injuries to actually get him meaningful snaps on Defense (if you have that many injuries, you're not competing if your 4th safety is forced into meaningful action) that alone is a reason not to keep him, his higher cap hit is another reason to not keep him, his negative attitude and contribution to the dismal culture of the Jaguars is just the icing on the cake.
Ford is going to play a big role on this Defense.
Thomas and Wingard are the ST aces of the group.
Jenkins and Cisco will be the starters with Ford coming in as the big nickle/dime 3rd Safety.
(08-31-2021, 07:16 PM)Firesky Wrote: [ -> ] (08-31-2021, 06:43 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]I would have kept Wilson. I heard someone refer to him as "average". With your bottom roster spot, you take average. We kept Wingard instead who is far below average.
Obviously it is a balance, but I'm less big on special teams as some. With the rules these days, most kickoffs go into the end zone anyway. I've just seen so many times that we keep a player for "special teams" and our special teams look no better than if we had just plugged some other guy into it. We then have an injury and that special teamer is forced to play offense/defense and the other team completely exploits him. See Wingard.
My wording was "average at best" earlier in this thread. You can find an average backup safety with any of the million 6th rounders we've acquired. the other backup safety's like Wingard & Ford are both ST's aces. Jenkins, Cisco, Daniel Thomas are all superior at playing safety. Given that Wilson can't contribute on ST's and it would take 2-3 injuries to actually get him meaningful snaps on Defense (if you have that many injuries, you're not competing if your 4th safety is forced into meaningful action) that alone is a reason not to keep him, his higher cap hit is another reason to not keep him, his negative attitude and contribution to the dismal culture of the Jaguars is just the icing on the cake.
Well said regarding Wilson.
I think Wingard should ultimately go as well but I do understand his perceived "value" as a special teamer. I think we can find a younger player who could perform similarly, if not better, than Wingard at ST's through the waiver wire.
Well, the coach is remaking this team, no doubt about it..
Several more fringe defenders like Bryan and Wingard will be cut as we bring in a waiver WR and TE, as there is some speed at WR and several TE upgrades that got cut.
(08-31-2021, 07:16 PM)Firesky Wrote: [ -> ] (08-31-2021, 06:43 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]I would have kept Wilson. I heard someone refer to him as "average". With your bottom roster spot, you take average. We kept Wingard instead who is far below average.
Obviously it is a balance, but I'm less big on special teams as some. With the rules these days, most kickoffs go into the end zone anyway. I've just seen so many times that we keep a player for "special teams" and our special teams look no better than if we had just plugged some other guy into it. We then have an injury and that special teamer is forced to play offense/defense and the other team completely exploits him. See Wingard.
My wording was "average at best" earlier in this thread. You can find an average backup safety with any of the million 6th rounders we've acquired. the other backup safety's like Wingard & Ford are both ST's aces. Jenkins, Cisco, Daniel Thomas are all superior at playing safety. Given that Wilson can't contribute on ST's and it would take 2-3 injuries to actually get him meaningful snaps on Defense (if you have that many injuries, you're not competing if your 4th safety is forced into meaningful action) that alone is a reason not to keep him, his higher cap hit is another reason to not keep him, his negative attitude and contribution to the dismal culture of the Jaguars is just the icing on the cake.
I disagree on many levels. First, those sixth rounders are next year. We play games this year. Second, assuming we can find an average safety in the sixth round is wishful thinking. Our sixth round wide receiver this year didn't even make our 53 man roster. Third, it's false that Wilson can't play on special teams. He has more career snaps on special teams than Wingard. He almost has twice as many. He just played little there last year because he was the starting free safety. Fourth, I see Wilson as only being one injury away from playing. Jenkins and Cisco are our starters. If there's an injury to Jenkins, Jarrod Wilson is clearly the most reliable option at free safety. He has 28 starts over the last two years. I'd keep Thomas for development, but he has little experience and is unproven at this point. If you want a special teamer and emergency backup, fine, keep Ford. Our special teams will be fine without Wingard and he is horrible at playing defense. It probably doesn't mater too much though. I think there's a very good chance Wingard is no longer on the roster two days from now.
(08-31-2021, 12:35 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Qunicy Williams cut.
I remember hating this pick on draft day and giving it a rare "F" grade. I sometimes hate being right.
(08-31-2021, 09:13 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]"NFLPA opens investigation regarding Urban Meyer's comments as to considering vaccination status in roster cuts - ProFootballTalk" https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...-cuts/amp/
If the NFLPA has a problem with it then they should work it out with the NFL because how are teams not supposed to take that into account when there's talk of forfeited games.
(08-31-2021, 09:18 PM)Protozoa Wrote: [ -> ] (08-31-2021, 09:13 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]"NFLPA opens investigation regarding Urban Meyer's comments as to considering vaccination status in roster cuts - ProFootballTalk" https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...-cuts/amp/
If the NFLPA has a problem with it then they should work it out with the NFL because how are teams not supposed to take that into account when there's talk of forfeited games.
Agreed
(08-31-2021, 09:14 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-31-2021, 12:35 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Qunicy Williams cut.
I remember hating this pick on draft day and giving it a rare "F" grade. I sometimes hate being right.
It's what happens when you draft for need.
(08-31-2021, 06:47 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (08-31-2021, 06:30 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/1010XL/status/143279...43617?s=19
The imbalance between the number of offensive and defensive players will quickly be closed when waiver wire players are signed. I highly suspect the Jaguars will sign a running back, wide receiver and tight end. When they do, they will likely cut 3 defensive players. That will make it 24 offensive to 26 defensive players. If they were to do one more, it would be even.
Why keep more defensive players right now? I'm guessing that they must believe that they have more talent on defense and are hoping that they might be able to swing a trade with another team for another late round draft pick.
We have a new scheme and a new coaching staff. Meyer obviously must not be convinced that Bryan has definitively hit it.
He also thought it was a good idea to keep Warhop as the O-Line coach and that we had a good enough O-Line last season that it will carry over enough to protect the franchise QB we've coveted for 25 years. I don't really trust his judgement.
I was just explaining why he probably did what he did. I don't trust Meyer's judgement either. I thought he had a bad approach to free agency. I thought he made mistakes in the draft. I think he made mistakes today. Oh, I didn't like the Warhop coaching hire either.
(08-31-2021, 09:18 PM)Protozoa Wrote: [ -> ] (08-31-2021, 09:13 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]"NFLPA opens investigation regarding Urban Meyer's comments as to considering vaccination status in roster cuts - ProFootballTalk" https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...-cuts/amp/
If the NFLPA has a problem with it then they should work it out with the NFL because how are teams not supposed to take that into account when there's talk of forfeited games.
Every single team is going to take this into account, you just aren’t “supposed” to say it. The reality is, “the close contact rules” are very very strict, and holding too many unvaccinated players who can potentially be out for 2 weeks (like Josh Allen) while testing negative is just too much risk to carry on the roster. It’s just the reality. Wild times!
(08-31-2021, 09:40 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ] (08-31-2021, 09:18 PM)Protozoa Wrote: [ -> ]If the NFLPA has a problem with it then they should work it out with the NFL because how are teams not supposed to take that into account when there's talk of forfeited games.
Every single team is going to take this into account, you just aren’t “supposed” to say it. The reality is, “the close contact rules” are very very strict, and holding too many unvaccinated players who can potentially be out for 2 weeks (like Josh Allen) while testing negative is just too much risk to carry on the roster. It’s just the reality. Wild times!
I don't even understand what they're investigating. The team can cut a player without cause. If they chose to use vaccination status as part of their decision process for cutting the roster I don't think there's anything in the cba that says they can't.
(08-31-2021, 09:13 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]"NFLPA opens investigation regarding Urban Meyer's comments as to considering vaccination status in roster cuts - ProFootballTalk" https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...-cuts/amp/
Ridiculous. He is just saying what every head coach is thinking. If a player is mediocre and a covid risk, why bother?
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