(09-01-2021, 09:45 AM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ] (09-01-2021, 06:31 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]I doubt he can cite that opinion. I'm currently preparing to terminate employees who refuse the vaccine and it's legal. I doubt this is covered as a protection in their CBA, and players get cut for health reasons all the time.
How do you feel about taking away someone's livelihood because they refuse to take an experimental vaccine?
At the risk of being told to take it to the Political Talk forum....
1 - The vaccine isn't "experimental", no matter what your Facebook friends tell you.
2 - It's FDA approved, and it's based on research from other SARS vaccine work that's been going on for almost 20 years.
3 - I realize there is a CBA in the NFL, but typically employers have the right to set the rules people work under.
4 - If anyone doesn't want to be vaccinated and feels that strongly about it, they are free to earn their livelihood elsewhere.
5 - NFL players don't know what's in ANY of the shots they are given, and if it wasn't political they would just line up and take the shot in order to have a better chance to avoid unpaid/forfeited games and to have a better chance to be available to help their team.
(09-01-2021, 10:32 AM)Dewboy01 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-01-2021, 09:45 AM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ]How do you feel about taking away someone's livelihood because they refuse to take an experimental vaccine?
At the risk of being told to take it to the Political Talk forum....
1 - The vaccine isn't "experimental", no matter what your Facebook friends tell you.
2 - It's FDA approved, and it's based on research from other SARS vaccine work that's been going on for almost 20 years.
3 - I realize there is a CBA in the NFL, but typically employers have the right to set the rules people work under.
4 - If anyone doesn't want to be vaccinated and feels that strongly about it, they are free to earn their livelihood elsewhere.
5 - NFL players don't know what's in ANY of the shots they are given, and if it wasn't political they would just line up and take the shot in order to have a better chance to avoid unpaid/forfeited games and to have a better chance to be available to help their team.
Only one vaccine is "FDA approved".
(08-31-2021, 04:20 PM)CanDoBetter Wrote: [ -> ]Am I right they kept Daniel Ekuale instead of Doug Costin?
He is able to play the ukulele in a pinch, whereas Doug was costin' too much for someone lacking musical acumen.
(09-01-2021, 10:19 AM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ] (09-01-2021, 09:59 AM)NoShoes Wrote: [ -> ]Just fine if the lack of vaccination doesn’t make the player the best chance to win. Best ability is availability, if you’re not vaccinated with the current set of rules put forth by the NFL you’re not doing everything you can to win. Right, wrong, or indifferent that’s the facts of the current NFL policy
I was actually referring to him about to fire people for not getting vaccinated with an experimental vaccine that he has admitted could actually kill you if you take it. The NFL on the other hand has to realize you can still get covid and infect others even if you have had the vaccine. In fact, it has already happened multiple times.
(09-01-2021, 10:17 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]*FDA approved*
How many other things have been FDA approved that were proven to not be good for you. Get out of here with that. And miraculously only one company is FDA approved. Also, screw the FDA. if you have enough money, you can get anything approved by the FDA.
Just providing some facts to accompany your inaccurate statement. You're entitled to your opinions of the FDA.
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I found the Costin and Ozigbo cuts a little perplexing. Thought those guys put some good play on tape.
I wonder what we'll see added to that RB room. You'd think they have to be eyeing someone with some C.o.P or hybrid skillset.
(09-01-2021, 10:36 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-01-2021, 10:19 AM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ]I was actually referring to him about to fire people for not getting vaccinated with an experimental vaccine that he has admitted could actually kill you if you take it. The NFL on the other hand has to realize you can still get covid and infect others even if you have had the vaccine. In fact, it has already happened multiple times.
How many other things have been FDA approved that were proven to not be good for you. Get out of here with that. And miraculously only one company is FDA approved. Also, screw the FDA. if you have enough money, you can get anything approved by the FDA.
Just providing some facts to accompany your inaccurate statement. You're entitled to your opinions of the FDA.
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Back to topic of Jags cuts :
I found the Costin and Ozigbo cuts a little perplexing. Thought those guys put some good play on tape.
I wonder what we'll see added to that RB room. You'd think they have to be eyeing someone with some C.o.P or hybrid skillset.
I was also surprised by those 2 cuts. I had thought this was it for Tavon Bryan, but didn't take into account the fact that every new coach/coaching staff thinks they can "fix" underperforming 1st round picks/draft busts.
(08-31-2021, 10:44 PM)Firesky Wrote: [ -> ] (08-31-2021, 09:10 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]I disagree on many levels. First, those sixth rounders are next year. We play games this year. Second, assuming we can find an average safety in the sixth round is wishful thinking. Our sixth round wide receiver this year didn't even make our 53 man roster. Third, it's false that Wilson can't play on special teams. He has more career snaps on special teams than Wingard. He almost has twice as many. He just played little there last year because he was the starting free safety. Fourth, I see Wilson as only being one injury away from playing. Jenkins and Cisco are our starters. If there's an injury to Jenkins, Jarrod Wilson is clearly the most reliable option at free safety. He has 28 starts over the last two years. I'd keep Thomas for development, but he has little experience and is unproven at this point. If you want a special teamer and emergency backup, fine, keep Ford. Our special teams will be fine without Wingard and he is horrible at playing defense. It probably doesn't mater too much though. I think there's a very good chance Wingard is no longer on the roster two days from now.
So you can't trade a pick next year for a player this year? Lol. So you can't package multiple picks (we have 4 6th's & 2 7th's) to move up to the 5th etc.? Our 5th round Safety from 2020 (Daniel Thomas) made the team, is a better safety than Wilson and is a ST's ace. That part of your disagreement has 0 logic to it. What does a WR have to do with a Safety? I get that he's a 6th round pick, but that has 0 relevance to the Safety position group, also not every pick hits but as I mentioned with Daniel Thomas, a player of Wilson's caliber or better can be found in the late rounds pretty easily.
Wilson has been in the league since 2016, Wingard has only played 2 seasons; obviously Wilson has more career snaps ... Wingard is a markedly superior ST's player, even on half the total snaps anyone who watches football can see that. Not sure Wingard survives the waiver claims in the next few days I agree with you there, not really all that enamored with Wingard either.
Wilson has 28 career starts at Safety and really hasn't shown much. I liked what I saw out of Daniel Thomas both last year and in preseason, but that's a moot point as Rudy Ford is the 3rd safety/big nickel and likely next man up in case of injury. Cisco can play both FS & SS, if Jenkins goes down I'd kick Cisco to FS and have Ford play SS.
Wilson isn't better than Cisco or Jenkins. His cap hit is the highest among the rest of the backup safeties, and he's the worst ST's player of that bunch. This really isn't rocket science.
Yes, let's trade away a bunch of future draft picks in order to get an average safety when we could have just NOT CUT an average safety. I agree, this really isn't rocket science.
Our sixth rounder being cut is relevant because you claimed that you can find an average player with a sixth round pick. Do you need me to show you a list of our sixth round picks in history? Obviously there's going to be the occasional exception, but the players who I would consider "average" are clearly in the minority. Many didn't even make the team and the careers of most of the ones who do were short lived with minimal contributions.
Salaries is a red herring. While you can argue Wilson is "more", his salary isn't significant and we are well under the cap.
While Cisco maybe "can" play free safety, he's more suited to strong safety. I don't want one injury to weaken two positions. Ford is here for special teams and emergency backup. I would much rather Wilson(FS)/Cisco (SS) than Cisco(FS)/Ford(SS). You claim Thomas is better at playing safety than Wilson, but Wilson started over him last year. You are also trying to make a false choice. I would keep both. It's not Wilson versus Thomas. It's Wilson versus Wingard. The comparison here isn't even close. Wingard is an absolute disaster at safety. The couple of yards of average field position he might generate on special teams doesn't outweigh his complete incompetence on defense if injuries occur.
(09-01-2021, 06:31 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (09-01-2021, 05:58 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]Can you cite the law surrounding this? I've never heard of such a law and your assertion doesn't match with recent case law. If anything is protecting the players it's the cba, and as far as I know the cba doesn't say someone can't be cut for refusing medical help.
I doubt he can cite that opinion. I'm currently preparing to terminate employees who refuse the vaccine and it's legal. I doubt this is covered as a protection in their CBA, and players get cut for health reasons all the time.
Hope you feel good about that Himmler
(09-01-2021, 10:17 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-01-2021, 09:45 AM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ]How do you feel about taking away someone's livelihood because they refuse to take an experimental vaccine?
*FDA approved*
The FDA Approved vaccine is Comirnaty , find it. You can't. Every one of you that has been jabbed is in the trials that are supposed to end in 2023. Good luck to you.
(09-01-2021, 11:22 AM)Hard_Eight Wrote: [ -> ] (09-01-2021, 06:31 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]I doubt he can cite that opinion. I'm currently preparing to terminate employees who refuse the vaccine and it's legal. I doubt this is covered as a protection in their CBA, and players get cut for health reasons all the time.
Hope you feel good about that Himmler
(09-01-2021, 10:17 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]*FDA approved*
The FDA Approved vaccine is Comirnaty , find it. You can't. Every one of you that has been jabbed is in the trials that are supposed to end in 2023. Good luck to you.
Quote:On August 23, 2021, the FDA approved the first COVID-19 vaccine. The vaccine has been known as the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine, and will now be marketed as Comirnaty, for the prevention of COVID-19 disease in individuals 16 years of age and older. The vaccine also continues to be available under emergency use authorization (EUA), including for individuals 12 through 15 years of age and for the administration of a third dose in certain immunocompromised individuals.
Let's please stay on topic here. Jaguars cuts is the topic.
Vaccine discussions have two threads for discussion:
https://www.duvalpride.com/showthread.php?tid=34618
https://www.duvalpride.com/showthread.php?tid=32386
(09-01-2021, 11:27 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-01-2021, 11:22 AM)Hard_Eight Wrote: [ -> ]Hope you feel good about that Himmler
The FDA Approved vaccine is Comirnaty , find it. You can't. Every one of you that has been jabbed is in the trials that are supposed to end in 2023. Good luck to you.
Quote:On August 23, 2021, the FDA approved the first COVID-19 vaccine. The vaccine has been known as the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine, and will now be marketed as Comirnaty, for the prevention of COVID-19 disease in individuals 16 years of age and older. The vaccine also continues to be available under emergency use authorization (EUA), including for individuals 12 through 15 years of age and for the administration of a third dose in certain immunocompromised individuals.
Let's please stay on topic here. Jaguars cuts is the topic.
Vaccine discussions have two threads for discussion:
https://www.duvalpride.com/showthread.php?tid=34618
https://www.duvalpride.com/showthread.php?tid=32386
The subject is cuts related to the vaccine.
I guess the decision was made before the Dallas game because Ozigbo and Cotton showed out and still got cut.
(09-01-2021, 11:29 AM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ] (09-01-2021, 11:27 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Let's please stay on topic here. Jaguars cuts is the topic.
Vaccine discussions have two threads for discussion:
https://www.duvalpride.com/showthread.php?tid=34618
https://www.duvalpride.com/showthread.php?tid=32386
The subject is cuts related to the vaccine.
Incorrect.
"jaguars cuts" is the topic.
The only correlation between cuts and the vaccine has been discussed and explained. Posts debating vaccine efficacy and approval will be warned for off topic posting moving forward. Threads exist for those debates - use them instead of this one please.
20 minutes until the waiver claim deadline. I'll be shocked if we didn't claim Tyron Johnson.
(09-01-2021, 11:43 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]20 minutes until the waiver claim deadline. I'll be shocked if we didn't claim Tyron Johnson.
Does he have a previous ACL tear? Baalke will be ALL OVER him!
The real question is - once we claim WR/RB/TE, who gets cut to make room?
RB CJ Prosise released from Seahawks. Dude is a fast twitch speedster.
1010XL just reported Jags got Tyron Johnson from waivers