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(03-15-2022, 05:35 PM)nhiverson Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah I don't get him going to Detroit unless they upgrade Goff.

Highly likely that Detroit gave him the best offer, which is why he picked them.

(03-15-2022, 05:58 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-15-2022, 05:35 PM)nhiverson Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah I don't get him going to Detroit unless they upgrade Goff.

Highly likely that Detroit gave him the best offer, which is why he picked them.

Detroit gave him 1 year 10m LOL same as we're paying Zay Jones per year.

(03-15-2022, 06:03 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-15-2022, 05:58 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Highly likely that Detroit gave him the best offer, which is why he picked them.

Detroit gave him 1 year 10m LOL same as we're paying Zay Jones per year.

We're paying Zay 8m per year. 10m if he hits all the incentives.

(03-15-2022, 02:45 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-15-2022, 02:28 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]Couple thoughts. First one of two things is true, Chark didn't want to be here or we had no intention of re-signing him. I think it's the latter. Based on the contract he signed and where he signed I'm wondering how many franchises did want him.
I mean if multiple offers are out there are you really going to pick Detroit and Goff over just about anywhere else? I liked Chark. Wanted to keep him and believe he has the talent to be a #1 guy. That being said he's gone and I'm not gonna cry about it, especially if we draft a very good WR and have a room of Jones Jr, Kirk, Tay, Viska (still a weapon imo) and the rookie.

Why couldn't it be both that Chark did not want to be here and the Jags had little intention of signing here? They are not exclusive of either other.

These things are not one sided, people keep ignoring what Chark may or may not have wanted.

I guess it could be both ? 
But if the Jags wanted him they would have offered more than 10m. And if he turned that down to go to Detroit he's dumb.
My point remains... I don't think he had many suitors.

Man losing DJ is sad to me. I liked that guy, and he has the tools to be a huge contributor.

(03-15-2022, 09:11 PM)Newton Wrote: [ -> ]Man losing DJ is sad to me. I liked that guy, and he has the tools to be a huge contributor.

He's very physically gifted, that's for sure. He wasn't ever able to put it all together on the field or stay healthy long enough to prove it though. He can go catch ducks from Goff and we can enjoy watching Lawrence shine. If I had already made some $ I'd honestly take my chances with TLaw over a known bust in Goff, but money talks for a lot of these guys. Good luck to DJ.

(03-15-2022, 09:11 PM)Newton Wrote: [ -> ]Man losing DJ is sad to me. I liked that guy, and he has the tools to be a huge contributor.

I loved the idea of letting him walk because he is grossly overrated but for what detroit gave him, i am now kind of dissapointed. figured he wanted way more.

DJ may end up being a good fit up there in Detroit. That's a tough division to play in though. Traveling around up there during the winter months can be taxing physically between Chicago and Green Bay. Hopefully he holds up physically. It's just a one year deal so he may just be looking to dip his toes in 2022 to potentially deepen his pockets in 2023 as a viable deep threat on a potentially up and coming Lions team.

Maybe he just didn't want to be here anymore as well. Until anything is reported we really have no idea what was being said or conducted behind the scenes. I would have personally rather seen that contract that was placed on Zay Jones placed on DJ instead though. I think this now puts Baalke and Pederson in a position to where they have to invest a draft pick in a receiver like Christian Watson or Alec Pierce. Need that receiver with some length to him who can go up and get it on the outside for sure.

(03-16-2022, 06:43 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]DJ may end up being a good fit up there in Detroit. That's a tough division to play in though. Traveling around up there during the winter months can be taxing physically between Chicago and Green Bay. Hopefully he holds up physically. It's just a one year deal so he may just be looking to dip his toes in 2022 to potentially deepen his pockets in 2023 as a viable deep threat on a potentially up and coming Lions team.

Maybe he just didn't want to be here anymore as well. Until anything is reported we really have no idea what was being said or conducted behind the scenes. I would have personally rather seen that contract that was placed on Zay Jones placed on DJ instead though. I think this now puts Baalke and Pederson in a position to where they have to invest a draft pick in a receiver like Christian Watson or Alec Pierce. Need that receiver with some length to him who can go up and get it on the outside for sure.

I think I first heard about Pierce when you wrote about him. When I looked at his highlights, one of the best things I like is how he goes up and snatches the ball at the high point. Plus, he can fly!

(03-15-2022, 11:45 AM)rufftime Wrote: [ -> ]Way to take care of your own Jacksonville…

As much as I like the new additions, I would really like to build a reputation as a team that keeps their home grown talent.

We just tendered Wingard, so looks like you got your wish.
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(03-15-2022, 03:24 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-15-2022, 03:13 PM)TheDogCatcher Wrote: [ -> ]Chark never put it all together and was an injury risk. I like Kirk better as the deep threat. I like that Doug's offense doesn't require a beastly #1 receiver. Trevor can distribute the ball to a variety of weapons.

I don't think Doug is going to be able to run "his offense" very much here though. What we think of as his offense is probably the heaviest 2 TE offense in the league outside of maybe NE. We have major non blocking TE and extremely expensive slot receiver problems. If we have 2 TE we only have 2 receivers, and Kirk is proven not good at all outside.

Doug is going to have to adapt to his personnel.

Alas, all hope is lost, it's a shame that there's not a chance for the team to continue to improve the roster between now and August.

I don't know, there should be some system where teams can enlist players who are moving on from college ball, of course the worst teams would be given the opportunity to pick from this pool of players earlier than the ones who did better. It would be really cool if we had a system like that, and it would be even cooler if in any given year the pool of talent at a position would be so deep as to represent a Likely (ahem) means to improve a team's depth.

If only. A boy can dream, I guess.

(03-15-2022, 05:35 PM)nhiverson Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah I don't get him going to Detroit unless they upgrade Goff.

Oh they absolutely will, whether it be this year or next. He costs just about as much to keep (31.5M) as to cut (30.5M), so I figure he's at the very least the most expensive backup in the league, but next year he's a goner unless he replicates his SB year.

Chark only signed a fully guaranteed one-year deal, though, so he's likely banking on proving to DET or the rest of the league that he can survive 17 games without another injury.

I'm not gonna wish him ill, but I'll be honest I'm glad we're not the ones guaranteeing that gamble.

(03-15-2022, 06:03 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-15-2022, 05:58 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Highly likely that Detroit gave him the best offer, which is why he picked them.

Detroit gave him 1 year 10m LOL same as we're paying Zay Jones per year.

but we only guranteed 8.5 over 2 years, not the same. And this season he's only costing us 4.3 against the cap, Chark would have doubled that plus some more.

Are we really sweating the loss of a dude who averaged 2 catches a game last season? It's not like he was the focus of our offense, even with full offseason, independent workouts, and no real challenge to his position at the X.

Y'all fear change like crazy, folks.

(03-16-2022, 09:01 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-15-2022, 03:24 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think Doug is going to be able to run "his offense" very much here though. What we think of as his offense is probably the heaviest 2 TE offense in the league outside of maybe NE. We have major non blocking TE and extremely expensive slot receiver problems. If we have 2 TE we only have 2 receivers, and Kirk is proven not good at all outside.

Doug is going to have to adapt to his personnel.

Alas, all hope is lost, it's a shame that there's not a chance for the team to continue to improve the roster between now and August.

I don't know, there should be some system where teams can enlist players who are moving on from college ball, of course the worst teams would be given the opportunity to pick from this pool of players earlier than the ones who did better. It would be really cool if we had a system like that, and it would be even cooler if in any given year the pool of talent at a position would be so deep as to represent a Likely (ahem) means to improve a team's depth.

If only. A boy can dream, I guess.

We can add all we want through the draft, but we now have a top 10 paid WR that is basically slot only. Unless we are going to waste that investment by playing him outside then we cann't play much 12 personnel. The fact that Engram and Arnold can't play inline is also an important factor, but I don't really think either of them have to be core pieces so it's not a critical problem like the Kirk problem.

(03-16-2022, 09:57 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-16-2022, 09:01 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]Alas, all hope is lost, it's a shame that there's not a chance for the team to continue to improve the roster between now and August.

I don't know, there should be some system where teams can enlist players who are moving on from college ball, of course the worst teams would be given the opportunity to pick from this pool of players earlier than the ones who did better. It would be really cool if we had a system like that, and it would be even cooler if in any given year the pool of talent at a position would be so deep as to represent a Likely (ahem) means to improve a team's depth.

If only. A boy can dream, I guess.

We can add all we want through the draft, but we now have a top 10 paid WR that is basically slot only. Unless we are going to waste that investment by playing him outside then we cann't play much 12 personnel. The fact that Engram and Arnold can't play inline is also an important factor, but I don't really think either of them have to be core pieces so it's not a critical problem like the Kirk problem.

I've seen you engrossed in threads here discussing offenses that gather unusually high percentages of production from a slot receiver before. 

The diminishing of the position here feels disingenuous. 

Of course - finding an X to compliment him is critical - but overpaying for a slot guy in this particular season of FA is not a big deal IMO.

(03-16-2022, 10:51 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I've seen you engrossed in threads here discussing offenses that gather unusually high percentages of production from a slot receiver before. 

The diminishing of the position here feels disingenuous. 

Of course - finding an X to compliment him is critical - but overpaying for a slot guy in this particular season of FA is not a big deal IMO.

I am not diminishing the slot, I am merely pointing out that you don't have a slot receiver in 2 TE sets. The non inline TE is the slot. So you're going to have to get very creative with bunch sets, backfield TE, or split out TE to not have Kirk wasted as an outside receiver in 12 personnel. I'm not even saying that it can't be done, just that it's not going to be able to be like Pederson's old Eagles offenses.

(03-16-2022, 11:02 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-16-2022, 10:51 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I've seen you engrossed in threads here discussing offenses that gather unusually high percentages of production from a slot receiver before. 

The diminishing of the position here feels disingenuous. 

Of course - finding an X to compliment him is critical - but overpaying for a slot guy in this particular season of FA is not a big deal IMO.

I am not diminishing the slot, I am merely pointing out that you don't have a slot receiver in 2 TE sets. The non inline TE is the slot. So you're going to have to get very creative with bunch sets, backfield TE, or split out TE to not have Kirk wasted as an outside receiver in 12 personnel. I'm not even saying that it can't be done, just that it's not going to be able to be like Pederson's old Eagles offenses.

A million ways to skin that personnel/formation cat. 
(The odds of both of those TEs being healthy the whole season are slim anyway)
I'm confident Doug can find a way to have his more productive playmakers on the field frequently.

On the field, yes of course. In maximized roles? Way harder to do. I think we're going to see Kirk struggle on the outside a lot more than we should this year.

(03-16-2022, 11:36 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]On the field, yes of course. In maximized roles? Way harder to do. I think we're going to see Kirk struggle on the outside a lot more than we should this year.

"I'll take premature negative speculation for $800, Alex"

(03-16-2022, 11:45 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-16-2022, 11:36 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]On the field, yes of course. In maximized roles? Way harder to do. I think we're going to see Kirk struggle on the outside a lot more than we should this year.

"I'll take premature negative speculation for $800, Alex"

Well that's what happens when you have multiple critical players who have little versatility. Maybe you can get an instant impact two way TE through the draft to help with the Engram/Arnold non inline issue, however unlikely, but the Kirk slot only albatross ain't going anywhere.