Engram had his career day 11 catches 162 yards 2 TD in week 14 against the tacks a few weeks ago. They had no answer for him and have struggled to cover TEs all season long.
I expect Doug and Co. to take advantage of that again. Engram should have another big day.
Titans have the worst passing defense in the league. I believe Lawrence had his career best in passing yards against the Titans also.
The only way I'd want an early round TE is if Mayer is there. If not, draft one in the later rounds and ride out with Engram till the wheels fall off.
(01-04-2023, 06:03 PM)burt1jason Wrote: [ -> ]We gotta keep Engram. He's a mis-match almost every week. Also, would love to draft Michael Mayer from ND. There would be no stopping Lawrence next year.
That's a lotta cash to throw at TE, though. Probably only gonna get one or the other.
(01-04-2023, 09:18 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]The only way I'd want an early round TE is if Mayer is there. If not, draft one in the later rounds and ride out with Engram till the wheels fall off.
Exactly. The best TE this team has ever had.
(01-05-2023, 09:12 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (01-04-2023, 06:03 PM)burt1jason Wrote: [ -> ]We gotta keep Engram. He's a mis-match almost every week. Also, would love to draft Michael Mayer from ND. There would be no stopping Lawrence next year.
That's a lotta cash to throw at TE, though. Probably only gonna get one or the other.
Philly had prime Ertz when they drafted Goedert. Mayer will be on his rookie contract and by the time comes to give Mayer his 2nd contract Engram will be gone by then
(01-05-2023, 01:19 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (01-05-2023, 09:12 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]That's a lotta cash to throw at TE, though. Probably only gonna get one or the other.
Philly had prime Ertz when they drafted Goedert. Mayer will be on his rookie contract and by the time comes to give Mayer his 2nd contract Engram will be gone by then
Was Philly up against the cap when they did that, and was Goedert a first rounder? (spoiler: no, dear reader, he was not.)
Took a look at Etienne's deal for perspective, and I'll rescind my statement on that knowledge. Was thinking that we'd be looking at minimum 5-6 per year for a Rd 1 pick. Might be closer to 4/4.5. Still might be some soreness involved if we throw 15-16M at TE. Basically kiss any improvement to pass rush goodbye with that level of expense.
(01-05-2023, 05:48 PM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (01-05-2023, 01:19 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Philly had prime Ertz when they drafted Goedert. Mayer will be on his rookie contract and by the time comes to give Mayer his 2nd contract Engram will be gone by then
Was Philly up against the cap when they did that, and was Goedert a first rounder? (spoiler: no, dear reader, he was not.)
Took a look at Etienne's deal for perspective, and I'll rescind my statement on that knowledge. Was thinking that we'd be looking at minimum 5-6 per year for a Rd 1 pick. Might be closer to 4/4.5. Still might be some soreness involved if we throw 15-16M at TE. Basically kiss any improvement to pass rush goodbye with that level of expense.
Meh, we can make the cap work if we draft Mayer lol. What position do we need to draft in the first if we are so worried about the cap because of position?
Engram obviously must be the Jaguars top priority. However, I don't see the team using the franchise tag on Engram. The franchise tag is projected to be around $12 million for tight ends and if you did it, the Jaguars would incur all $12 million in 2023. The Jaguars can offer a favorable deal that will count less against the cap. Even Christian Kirk's deal is only counting $7.5 million against the Jaguars cap this year. The Jaguars can make an attractive offer to Engram by giving a back loaded contract with guaranteed money and a large signing bonus.
In regards to Taylor, I think they make the tough choice and let him go. Walker Little is an option and we need the money more elsewhere.
You franchise then strike a deal so you have more time
Yes. 3/36 and don’t even think about it.
I too hope that we can resign Engram to an multi-year contract that'll be favorable to both sides. If desired we could use the Franchise Tag as well.
Time Will Tell.
NH3...
(01-05-2023, 09:12 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (01-05-2023, 05:48 PM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]Was Philly up against the cap when they did that, and was Goedert a first rounder? (spoiler: no, dear reader, he was not.)
Took a look at Etienne's deal for perspective, and I'll rescind my statement on that knowledge. Was thinking that we'd be looking at minimum 5-6 per year for a Rd 1 pick. Might be closer to 4/4.5. Still might be some soreness involved if we throw 15-16M at TE. Basically kiss any improvement to pass rush goodbye with that level of expense.
Meh, we can make the cap work if we draft Mayer lol. What position do we need to draft in the first if we are so worried about the cap because of position?
It's more about diversifying than spending specifically on a darfted position.
If we re-up Engram, I think the second and third TE can be the middle of the road guys that are either going to bolster the blocking or spell Engram. I'd like first round capital to address a separate need, if the pick fits, such as OG, IDL, or even RT. If the big guys aren't there, then sure, swing for a second TE or a 4th WR.
But if we are strapped for cap, I'd hate to eat up most of the room we make on one position, especially if we create some new gaps in the roster along the way.
Resign Engram and then draft the best available player. Just like when we drafted Etienne when we already had Robinson.
This thing is going to drag on for 11 more weeks until free agency kicks off and we sign the first wave of players.
It is near impossible to guess what positions gets priority in rounds 1-3 until that happens.
TE, OL, IDL, NB, WDGE/OLB, all are in play and there will probably be viable choices from that list at our early picks.
What they sign in FA and how much they spend doing it will affect how much draft capital they feel comfortable spending own redundant position players.
If they do draft a TE early, I'd expect that player to be a bigger, more prototypical dual purpose TE that can play in line as a blocker more effectively while still posing a threat in the passing game. Engram is becoming a better blocker, but is definitely more of a receiving TE.
And despite those that believe in the easter bunny, Santa, and BAP drafting, I guarantee at least two of those three early picks will address a position of obvious need on this team. And they'll very likely pass on higher but similarly rated players to take the guys they need. Sorry, but it's draft philosophy season again. The Christmas lights come down, and the BAP cultists begin to come out espousing their fantasies.
(01-05-2023, 11:18 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]Engram obviously must be the Jaguars top priority. However, I don't see the team using the franchise tag on Engram. The franchise tag is projected to be around $12 million for tight ends and if you did it, the Jaguars would incur all $12 million in 2023. The Jaguars can offer a favorable deal that will count less against the cap. Even Christian Kirk's deal is only counting $7.5 million against the Jaguars cap this year. The Jaguars can make an attractive offer to Engram by giving a back loaded contract with guaranteed money and a large signing bonus.
In regards to Taylor, I think they make the tough choice and let him go. Walker Little is an option and we need the money more elsewhere.
Is that you Coach Coughlin?
(01-06-2023, 10:57 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (01-05-2023, 11:18 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]Engram obviously must be the Jaguars top priority. However, I don't see the team using the franchise tag on Engram. The franchise tag is projected to be around $12 million for tight ends and if you did it, the Jaguars would incur all $12 million in 2023. The Jaguars can offer a favorable deal that will count less against the cap. Even Christian Kirk's deal is only counting $7.5 million against the Jaguars cap this year. The Jaguars can make an attractive offer to Engram by giving a back loaded contract with guaranteed money and a large signing bonus.
In regards to Taylor, I think they make the tough choice and let him go. Walker Little is an option and we need the money more elsewhere.
Is that you Coach Coughlin?
get a rope...
(01-06-2023, 10:57 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (01-05-2023, 11:18 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]Engram obviously must be the Jaguars top priority. However, I don't see the team using the franchise tag on Engram. The franchise tag is projected to be around $12 million for tight ends and if you did it, the Jaguars would incur all $12 million in 2023. The Jaguars can offer a favorable deal that will count less against the cap. Even Christian Kirk's deal is only counting $7.5 million against the Jaguars cap this year. The Jaguars can make an attractive offer to Engram by giving a back loaded contract with guaranteed money and a large signing bonus.
In regards to Taylor, I think they make the tough choice and let him go. Walker Little is an option and we need the money more elsewhere.
Is that you Coach Coughlin?
While there are different shades of grey, it is common practice in the NFL for the first year of a multi-year contract to have a lower cap hit than future years. I'm fine with backloading contracts if it is done in moderation and done with players such as Engram who I see as being a key contributor for multiple seasons going forward.
(01-06-2023, 02:46 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-06-2023, 10:57 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Is that you Coach Coughlin?
While there are different shades of grey, it is common practice in the NFL for the first year of a multi-year contract to have a lower cap hit than future years. I'm fine with backloading contracts if it is done in moderation and done with players such as Engram who I see as being a key contributor for multiple seasons going forward.
Backloading contracts when you are staring down the barrel of what may be the largest QB extension ever inked seems like a bad idea.
If they bring him back, he will have 80 catches next season with 7 TD and 900 yards.
I don’t normally get into the numbers bc I believe you can’t put a price limit on a good football players, but probably something like 4 years for $49 million with $9M guaranteed with a $4.5 million signing bonus. He would be the age of 32 the last year of his contract.
Engram had 4 games in which he got 2 targets or less, and he had another game where he had 3 targets.
Engram in weeks 1 thru 12:
Receptions - 37
Yards - 356
TD - 1
Engram the last 4 games:
Receptions - 32
Yards - 383
TD - 3