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(07-17-2023, 03:04 PM)jaglou53 Wrote: [ -> ]Based on Shipley's numbers, the Jaguars would have about $10 million remaining after signing their rookie class. What would be the best utilization of this money?

A. Sign Ronald Darby and Dawuan Smoot

B. Sign Yannick Ngakoue

C. Use money to help re-sign Ridley and/or Allen after this season

D. Prioritize paying Lawrence after the 2023-24 season and stay put with current roster

E. None of the Above


I vote for A. Darby is a quality cornerback who could hopefully fit in at nickel. Due to his injury last season, they should get a slight discount. If either Williams or Campbell get hurt, he'd be very capable filling in while they are out. Smoot would likely not cost very much due to his injury and questionable availability to start the season. These 2 signings would significantly improve the team's greatest current weaknesses. While the Super Bowl window is open, they need to do everything possible to make it happen now.

E. None of the above

We can't extend Trevor yet.  Maybe Taylor Lewan wants in?
Thank you for the clarification NYC.
(07-17-2023, 10:59 PM)TownCenterJag Wrote: [ -> ]Thank you for the clarification NYC.

No worries. 
Total Jags nerd here, so I enjoy running down such details.

Agnew will have a cap hit of 5.8 million this year.

Some have speculated that this makes him a candidate for cap casualty cutting

He is a guy who is consistently top ten in the league in kick return yardage (26 yds per return on avg in 2022) and is always a threat to score in those situations.  He also gave the Jags offense an additional weapon to the tune of 270 yards and 3 touchdowns in 2022 - and that, cumulatively, is worth the expense, IMO.  I believe most teams would not hesitate to spend that on him for such a contribution.
(07-17-2023, 08:04 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Engram's wife is extremely beautiful. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWRuV03Ju8U&t=3s

Stunning, for sure
(07-17-2023, 02:24 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-17-2023, 12:24 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Some verbiage on how this deal is fair to both parties but essentially gives the Jags a third year option at 15.75 mil to retain:

PFT:
Contract took a while but definately worth it.  Confusing thing to me is his cap number is slated to be 5 million this year ?  Maybe they are mistaken, that would give us 21 million in cap space.  Source below

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/4-observati...12480.html

OTC is showing this year's number as 6.6, which I think equates to a 5M cap savings this year. His bonus prorates a little funny, I think because it wasn't a day one of the league year signing.

OTC also has us just over 20M in cap room. That's enough to either bring in a pricey band aid or start stashing cash for some more of the deals that will be coming due.
(07-17-2023, 08:10 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-17-2023, 03:04 PM)jaglou53 Wrote: [ -> ]Based on Shipley's numbers, the Jaguars would have about $10 million remaining after signing their rookie class. What would be the best utilization of this money?

A. Sign Ronald Darby and Dawuan Smoot

B. Sign Yannick Ngakoue

C. Use money to help re-sign Ridley and/or Allen after this season

D. Prioritize paying Lawrence after the 2023-24 season and stay put with current roster

E. None of the Above


I vote for A. Darby is a quality cornerback who could hopefully fit in at nickel. Due to his injury last season, they should get a slight discount. If either Williams or Campbell get hurt, he'd be very capable filling in while they are out. Smoot would likely not cost very much due to his injury and questionable availability to start the season. These 2 signings would significantly improve the team's greatest current weaknesses. While the Super Bowl window is open, they need to do everything possible to make it happen now.

E. None of the above

We can't extend Trevor yet.  Maybe Taylor Lewan wants in?

Hard pass
(07-17-2023, 08:10 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-17-2023, 03:04 PM)jaglou53 Wrote: [ -> ]Based on Shipley's numbers, the Jaguars would have about $10 million remaining after signing their rookie class. What would be the best utilization of this money?

A. Sign Ronald Darby and Dawuan Smoot

B. Sign Yannick Ngakoue

C. Use money to help re-sign Ridley and/or Allen after this season

D. Prioritize paying Lawrence after the 2023-24 season and stay put with current roster

E. None of the Above


I vote for A. Darby is a quality cornerback who could hopefully fit in at nickel. Due to his injury last season, they should get a slight discount. If either Williams or Campbell get hurt, he'd be very capable filling in while they are out. Smoot would likely not cost very much due to his injury and questionable availability to start the season. These 2 signings would significantly improve the team's greatest current weaknesses. While the Super Bowl window is open, they need to do everything possible to make it happen now.

E. None of the above

We can't extend Trevor yet.  Maybe Taylor Lewan wants in?

E. None of the above

F. Save the money to buy a pass rusher or other missing ingredient before the trade deadline. Or, if there aren't any viable trade options, use it to resign Allen or Ridley if either is trending upward.
I would be ok with the Jaguars signing a veteran pass rusher or just saving the money. I would hate for Walker to have 1.5 sacks going into week 7.

Low-key, I think the Engram contract gave the Jaguars some breathing room and helps a guy like Agnew stick around for another season.
If they roll it will certainly pay for someone's tag....
The top options on "utilizing" the money freed up from Engram's deal would appear to be:

1. Roll it over - We've got big expense headed our way soon enough
2. Find a pass rusher in free agency
3. Find a nickel DB in free agency
4. Wait until you evaluate your roster in camp and then decide how best to spend (or not spend) some of that money on whatever is still out there in free agency.
(07-19-2023, 03:44 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]The top options on "utilizing" the money freed up from Engram's deal would appear to be:

1. Roll it over - We've got big expense headed our way soon enough
2. Find a pass rusher in free agency
3. Find a nickel DB in free agency
4. Wait until you evaluate your roster in camp and then decide how best to spend (or not spend) some of that money on whatever is still out there in free agency.

Seems like the smartest option IMO
I'd still like to kick the tires with Yannick. I'm really curious what he's asking.
(07-17-2023, 11:33 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-17-2023, 10:59 PM)TownCenterJag Wrote: [ -> ]Thank you for the clarification NYC.

No worries. 
Total Jags nerd here, so I enjoy running down such details.

Agnew will have a cap hit of 5.8 million this year.

Some have speculated that this makes him a candidate for cap casualty cutting

He is a guy who is consistently top ten in the league in kick return yardage (26 yds per return on avg in 2022) and is always a threat to score in those situations.  He also gave the Jags offense an additional weapon to the tune of 270 yards and 3 touchdowns in 2022 - and that, cumulatively, is worth the expense, IMO.  I believe most teams would not hesitate to spend that on him for such a contribution.

We were in the KC game because of some clutch returns!!!
Jamal Agnew has played in 27 total games with the Jaguars, including the playoffs. He has racked up 2,270 all purpose yards and 7 TDs during that span, for a total of 44 points on the scoreboard. And he’s only touched the football in a Jaguars uniform a total of 160 times. That’s an average of 15.5 yards per touch.

Agnew has scored in the following ways:

Rushing TD - 1
Receiving TD - 4
Kickoff return TD - 1
Missed FG return TD - 1
2 point conversion - 1

Oh by the way, he’s only started 2 games at WR during that 25 game span. That is an average of 1.3 points per game. Let me repeat that…he averages 1.3 points per game and he’s only started 2 games at WR for the Jaguars. He scored 4 TDs in 2021 and scored 3 TDs in 2022.

He’s the only return specialist in team history to be voted to the Pro Bowl. Agnew also holds the team AND NFL record for longest return of all-time which is 109 yards on the missed FG vs Arizona.

In the 2022 playoffs Agnew had 14 touches…for 306 yards! 297 of those yards came on 10 returns. 7 of those returns came on kickoff return for 265 yards which is an average of 37.9 yards.

Agnew had two returns of 50 yards or more in 2022. He also had a 63 yard return against the Chiefs in the playoffs.

In week 17 against the Titans in a game that put us in the playoffs with a win, Agnew had a total of 166 yards on 7 touches. That is an average of 23.7 yards per touch.

He scored a TD in that season changing Baltimore game as well. And he also has scored a 2 point conversion for the Jaguars over those 27 games.

This dude is crazy good.
Relax, Agnew isn't going anywhere. Kirk, Jones, Ridley and Agnew all have spots on the 53. The other 9 are fighting for spots. It is going to quite the battle too.
(07-19-2023, 10:30 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]Jamal Agnew has played in 27 total games with the Jaguars, including the playoffs. He has racked up 2,270 all purpose yards and 7 TDs during that span, for a total of 44 points on the scoreboard. And he’s only touched the football in a Jaguars uniform a total of 160 times. That’s an average of 15.5 yards per touch.

Agnew has scored in the following ways:

Rushing TD - 1
Receiving TD - 4
Kickoff return TD - 1
Missed FG return TD - 1
2 point conversion - 1

Oh by the way, he’s only started 2 games at WR during that 25 game span. That is an average of 1.3 points per game. Let me repeat that…he averages 1.3 points per game and he’s only started 2 games at WR for the Jaguars. He scored 4 TDs in 2021 and scored 3 TDs in 2022. 

He’s the only return specialist in team history to be voted to the Pro Bowl. Agnew also holds the team AND NFL record for longest return of all-time which is 109 yards on the missed FG vs Arizona.

In the 2022 playoffs Agnew had 14 touches…for 306 yards! 297 of those yards came on 10 returns. 7 of those returns came on kickoff return for 265 yards which is an average of 37.9 yards.

Agnew had two returns of 50 yards or more in 2022. He also had a 63 yard return against the Chiefs in the playoffs.

In week 17 against the Titans in a game that put us in the playoffs with a win, Agnew had a total of 166 yards on 7 touches. That is an average of 23.7 yards per touch.

He scored a TD in that season changing Baltimore game as well. And he also has scored a 2 point conversion for the Jaguars over those 27 games.

This dude is crazy good.

I like Agnew.  I think he will likely make the team.  However, I don't think he's a lock.  I think many of your stats are misleading or at least need some context.  There are also some counter stats that present a different story.

To start, you're including 2+ seasons (2 seasons plus playoffs).  Stats always sound more impressive when you include multiple seasons as sports fans naturally think in terms of single season stats.  For example, 7 touchdowns sounds like something that would be hard to turn away.  However, that's over 2+ seasons.  I think it's more relevant and meaningful to just look at last year.  In 2022, Agnew had 3 touchdowns.  It's better than none, but it's also not super impressive and no more than a player such as Jamycal Hasty for example.  Heck, James Robinson had 4 touchdowns in a partial season last year.  Despite a very low salary, JRob was traded for a late round pick and is now on his fourth team in less than a year.  Three touchdowns over the course of a season doesn't necessarily give you job security in the NFL.    

The "all purpose yards" stat also sounds impressive on the surface, but most of that is return yardage.  Agnew only had 273 receiving/rushing yards in the regular season last year.  That actually places him ninth on the Jaguars in that statistic last year.  If they were being honest, I'm guessing many Agnew supporters would be surprised to learn that he ranked so low.  Is that offensive contribution worthy of being a top 10 paid player on the team?  Is it worth the $4.7 million of cap space that we could save by cutting him?  I think those are legitimate question that Baalke will need to answer.

As for special teams, yes, he's good, but again, how much is it worth?  Return specialists are not highly valued and are typically drafted on day 3 of the draft.  You have to remember that on kickoffs that go into the end zone, you can fair catch it and get it at the 25 yard line.  If Agnew catches the ball in the end zone and runs it out to the 20 yard line, sure, he gets credited with "20 all purpose yards", but the reality is that play COSTED us 5 yards.  Even if he makes it to the 25 yard line, it's still no benefit.  If he makes it to the 30, which is a nice return, it still only really netted us an additional 5 yards of field position and not super significant in the big picture.

I know not all kickoffs go into the end zone and sometimes a return is required.  However, the point is that it is easy to gain yards on kickoff returns.  It takes time for the other team to run down the field.  Many returners obtain nice yardage.  Jamal Agnew averaged 26.0 yards per kickoff return last year.  For comparison purposes, Jamycal Hasty, who filled in for Agnew during his injury, averaged 24.3 yards per return.  That's a difference of only 1.7 yards per return.  The Jaguars also signed D'Ernest Johnson this offseason who has return experience.  He has averaged 24.8 yards per return in his career which is a difference of only 1.2 yards per return.  Assuming he maintained that average and got Agnew's kick returns last year, we're talking about 521 yards compared to 547 yards.  Are those 26 yards worth $4.7 million of cap space?  Again, I think it's a legitimate question that Baalke will need to decide.  

Lastly, you also have to factor in the new kickoff rule.  This year, any kickoff can be fair catched and you get the ball at the 25 yard line.  I can see many teams de-emphasizing the kick returner role and just taking the ball at the 25.  To be fair, I'm guessing that the Jaguars aren't one of those teams as I think Pederson's tendency is to be aggressive and a gambler, but I also can't rule it out as a possibility.  The rule does place less emphasis on kick returns.  That could make a difference on cut day.  

Again, just for the record, I do think Agnew makes the team.  I think if they were going to cut him, they already would have done it.  However, I don't see him as a lock to make the team.  I think he is likely but not a lock.  I wouldn't be completely shocked if he was a "surprise cut" this year.  (Also, for the record, I find term "surprise cut" to be an oxymoron since I'm stating it as a possibility and therefore not overly surprising, but I digress.  Call it a "high profile cut" if you want.)
I don’t think he’s a lock either. He’s a spark plug type of player that has the ability to break one at any time. If I had to choose between Hasty and Agnew I would choose Agnew.

Hasty don’t average 1.3 points per game. Hasty can’t run routes like Agnew. Ridley, Kirk, Jones ain’t going to be returning punts and kicks full time so that means those 3 guys can’t return like Agnew.

Also those 3 ain’t as dangerous in the open field as Agnew which means Ridley, Kirk, and Jones ain’t as good as Agnew as a runner.

He’s also a Pro Bowl player and a former All Pro. He does things that not everybody can do which also includes stepping in as a legit starting WR if one of our top guys go down with an injury.

The context is he’s only started 2 games and touched the ball 160 times and has found a way to score 44 points. Chop that up anyway you want.
I was doing some stat browsing today and saw that Engram led the team in YAC. Almost 500 yds YAC.

Man I can’t wait to see him out there in year 2 with the addition of Ridley and Bigsby.
Nice
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