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"To close out the 2023 NFL Draft, the Jacksonville Jaguars will claim the last five picks."

I mean it is not really that many picks. It's like having 2 years of later round picks in 1 season, so just give you more "lottery tickets".

No matter how good of a GM/Scout room you have, no team is going to have a really high hit rate throughout the draft, especially the latter half of the draft.

So if you double down on every position of need from here on out, you basically double the chances to find a guy who will stick for every position.

(04-28-2023, 11:34 PM)HardcoreMoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]Remember when the complaints used to be about taking players from all the small schools.  At least there isn't that.

I would also guess they view Bigsby as a starting RB.

Are you serious?!?!?  Over Etienne?  Bigsby is a backup running back.  We used a Day 2 pick on a backup at a non-premium position.

(04-28-2023, 11:32 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ]My only logic is they understand they can't fix it all in this offseason. Building around the Qb as much as possible is the priority this draft. I have no problem with that philosophy. Also their board differs from many here.

I mean it is true. I wish some on the board would realize this instead dumping all over the FO/Coaching staff already.

(04-28-2023, 11:33 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-28-2023, 10:45 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]On a serious note, if Etienne were to go down for the season, would you feel ok with the other running backs still on the roster?  I'm a little surprised by the pick, but Tank looked good in clips.  I like the way he runs and if Etienne were to go down, I wouldn't say our running game is necessarily done for with a combination of Tank and Hasty or whomever else taking over.

First, yes, I feel ok with our other running backs.  Obviously, you hate any injury to a starter and ETN is a great player.  However, I think D'Ernest Johnson is a decent backup and has good potential.  He just got buried on a great depth chart in Cleveland.  Hasty is also a fine backup.  Snoop has never shown me anything, but he was a player who Baalke thought highly enough to trade up in the 5th round of the draft last year and let's not forget that he was a rookie.  Many rookies struggle in year one.  Additionally, no team is strong at all 53 roster spots.  Snoop is likely a game day inactive, barring injuries to other players and likely has little to no impact on the success of this team.  Yes, you can always improve depth, but I had no huge concerns with our running back depth.  

Second, you draft depth on Day 3.  You don't draft depth on Day 2.  You particularly don't draft depth on Day 3 at a non-premium position such as running back.  If you are truly trying to "build through the draft", you want to find starters here, aka, the core of  your team.  A tight end #2 and a running back #2 are not the core of your team.  Even if we feel our running back depth was lacking, we could still use one of our 10 draft picks on Day 3 to address it.

I agree with the 2nd part.  I would not be confident at all with our running game if Etienne were to go down.  Not sure what you see in the combo of Hasty/Johnson that gives you confidence in that hypothetical backfield.  Johnson had a stint where they leaned on him for a bit 2 years ago and performed well and then followed that up with 4 carries in 15 games last year and then was allowed to walk.

Perhaps they are looking for someone to be a bonafide RB2 that sees 30% or more of the carries/touches.  I would have to think that is the expectation with 3rd round draft capital.  An RB2 with the above expectation isn't just depth in this league.

(04-28-2023, 11:43 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-28-2023, 11:34 PM)HardcoreMoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]Remember when the complaints used to be about taking players from all the small schools.  At least there isn't that.

I would also guess they view Bigsby as a starting RB.

Are you serious?!?!?  Over Etienne?  Bigsby is a backup running back.  We used a Day 2 pick on a backup at a non-premium position.

Because RB's never get hurt...
Because you never play 2 RB's in the game as a committee...
Because you never play 2 RB's in the same play...
Because having a consistent running game doesn't protect your QB and make your offense more balanced...
Because having a redzone running game was a huge weakness of the team last year...

Also for everyone saying what about Snoop. It could be as simple as they recognize he is not the guy they need. So they may be cutting bait. Better do that sooner and instead of holding onto sunk cost.

(04-28-2023, 11:43 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-28-2023, 11:34 PM)HardcoreMoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]Remember when the complaints used to be about taking players from all the small schools.  At least there isn't that.

I would also guess they view Bigsby as a starting RB.

Are you serious?!?!?  Over Etienne?  Bigsby is a backup running back.  We used a Day 2 pick on a backup at a non-premium position.

Maybe not next year, but in the future.

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He may suck but what if he's Alvin kamara. Even if you have mark Ingram you still need kamara.

My guess is from the Tight End and RB pick this team is going to be more run focused. Yes we have weapons but adding a great running game to a great receiving core will get you far in this league. It will also make the Qb happy.

(04-28-2023, 11:48 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-28-2023, 11:43 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]Are you serious?!?!?  Over Etienne?  Bigsby is a backup running back.  We used a Day 2 pick on a backup at a non-premium position.

Because RB's never get hurt...
Because you never play 2 RB's in the game as a committee...
Because you never play 2 RB's in the same play...
Because having a consistent running game doesn't protect your QB and make your offense more balanced...
Because having a redzone running game was a huge weakness of the team last year...

Also for everyone saying what about Snoop. It could be as simple as they recognize he is not the guy they need. So they may be cutting bait. Better do that sooner and instead of holding onto sunk cost.

You need at least 2 good RBs to get through a season and Bigsby has some big play talent.

(04-28-2023, 11:48 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-28-2023, 11:43 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]Are you serious?!?!?  Over Etienne?  Bigsby is a backup running back.  We used a Day 2 pick on a backup at a non-premium position.

Because RB's never get hurt...
Because you never play 2 RB's in the game as a committee...
Because you never play 2 RB's in the same play...
Because having a consistent running game doesn't protect your QB and make your offense more balanced...
Because having a redzone running game was a huge weakness of the team last year...

Also for everyone saying what about Snoop. It could be as simple as they recognize he is not the guy they need. So they may be cutting bait. Better do that sooner and instead of holding onto sunk cost.

That's referred to as a BACKUP running back, not a STARTING running back.

In regards to Snoop, that's fine.  Use a Day 3 draft pick to address the bottom roster spot at a non premium position and not a Day 2 pick.

(04-28-2023, 11:47 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-28-2023, 11:33 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]First, yes, I feel ok with our other running backs.  Obviously, you hate any injury to a starter and ETN is a great player.  However, I think D'Ernest Johnson is a decent backup and has good potential.  He just got buried on a great depth chart in Cleveland.  Hasty is also a fine backup.  Snoop has never shown me anything, but he was a player who Baalke thought highly enough to trade up in the 5th round of the draft last year and let's not forget that he was a rookie.  Many rookies struggle in year one.  Additionally, no team is strong at all 53 roster spots.  Snoop is likely a game day inactive, barring injuries to other players and likely has little to no impact on the success of this team.  Yes, you can always improve depth, but I had no huge concerns with our running back depth.  

Second, you draft depth on Day 3.  You don't draft depth on Day 2.  You particularly don't draft depth on Day 3 at a non-premium position such as running back.  If you are truly trying to "build through the draft", you want to find starters here, aka, the core of  your team.  A tight end #2 and a running back #2 are not the core of your team.  Even if we feel our running back depth was lacking, we could still use one of our 10 draft picks on Day 3 to address it.

I agree with the 2nd part.  I would not be confident at all with our running game if Etienne were to go down.  Not sure what you see in the combo of Hasty/Johnson that gives you confidence in that hypothetical backfield.  Johnson had a stint where they leaned on him for a bit 2 years ago and performed well and then followed that up with 4 carries in 15 games last year and then was allowed to walk.

Perhaps they are looking for someone to be a bonafide RB2 that sees 30% or more of the carries/touches.  I would have to think that is the expectation with 3rd round draft capital.  An RB2 with the above expectation isn't just depth in this league.

To further the point, we're now in a 17 game regular season with playoff expectations.  You do need a solid RB2 to navigate that.  Giving Etienne the percentage of carries he was getting is asking to have your season derailed by an injury to him.  The two games they tried to lean more heavily on Hasty, he wasn't efficient at all. Not the pick I was expecting either, but that's the logic behind it.

I don’t mind targeting players to fill specific roles on the team to make sure Doug can run the offense he wants.

Strange looks like a fun movable piece to add to the offense. I am actually getting excited about this one.

I assume they see Tank as a good complement to ETN. Not sold personally, but we’ll see.

We used picks last year to move up and take Conner while the Super Bowl Champs used a guy taken two rounds after him to beat us in the playoffs. Then we compound that by drafting another RB rather that addressing pass rush or coverage while there were still several good players within trade reach while we have vault full of picks. Disappointing.

(04-28-2023, 11:35 PM)enigma Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-28-2023, 11:32 PM)StrayaJag Wrote: [ -> ]10 picks for tommorow

Doug said tommorow will be addressing other areas

So expect defence

One would certainly hope so.

I mean we can literally field another team with the amount of draft picks we have remaining. I hope we trade some of these picks for ammo in next years draft.

They should find a way to keep their 3rd rounder and add another 3rd rounder. Two of the following would at least add some future starter quality depth to the defense:

Andre Carter (to backup Allen)
Adebawore (rotational piece)
Kelee Ringo (to replace Williams)
Antonio Johnson (to push & replace Jenkins)
Clark Phillips (to push & replace Herndon)
highest rated guard left (to push & replace Bartsch/Scherff)
Curiously, Doug said before the draft that the D-line needed some help. I guess that strategy went out the window.

(04-29-2023, 12:06 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]We used picks last year to move up and take Conner while the Super Bowl Champs used a guy taken two rounds after him to beat us in the playoffs. Then we compound that by drafting another RB rather that addressing pass rush or coverage while there were still several good players within trade reach while we have vault full of picks. Disappointing.

Incredibly disappointing. 

That was a terrible pick regardless of how anyone spins it.

I like the 1st round pick. Solid pass blocking LT. But round 2 and 3 were reaches, no matter how you spin it.

One thing that keeps a RB off the field is the inability to pick up the blitz.

(04-29-2023, 12:18 AM)enigma Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-29-2023, 12:06 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]We used picks last year to move up and take Conner while the Super Bowl Champs used a guy taken two rounds after him to beat us in the playoffs. Then we compound that by drafting another RB rather that addressing pass rush or coverage while there were still several good players within trade reach while we have vault full of picks. Disappointing.

Incredibly disappointing. 

That was a terrible pick regardless of how anyone spins it.

TBF, we said the same thing after ETN was picked

ETN is a smaller back and not really menat to be a workhorse type. We needed another good back in that room and we got one. Tank is miles better than any other back we have on the roster. 3rd round is a good spot to get a RB if you love one. Anyone who watched doug at Philly knows he loves to use multiple running backs. Didn't hasty outcarry ETN in the KC game? I wouldn't be surprised if Tank outcarries ETN next year. He's going to have a big role in this offense.

(04-28-2023, 11:58 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-28-2023, 11:48 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ]Because RB's never get hurt...
Because you never play 2 RB's in the game as a committee...
Because you never play 2 RB's in the same play...
Because having a consistent running game doesn't protect your QB and make your offense more balanced...
Because having a redzone running game was a huge weakness of the team last year...

Also for everyone saying what about Snoop. It could be as simple as they recognize he is not the guy they need. So they may be cutting bait. Better do that sooner and instead of holding onto sunk cost.

That's referred to as a BACKUP running back, not a STARTING running back.

In regards to Snoop, that's fine.  Use a Day 3 draft pick to address the bottom roster spot at a non premium position and not a Day 2 pick.

Maybe a decade or 2 ago. In today's NFL, 2 starting level RB's is borderline a necessity