(09-29-2024, 11:44 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2024, 10:22 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]Bahahaha.
You truly are one dumb poster
Says the blind Trevor Homer with no common sense and no vision.
Garrard may have been captain checkdown but hew as consistent. He actually completed balls and never had a solid WR corps outside of Jimmy Smith for a very short time at the end of his career.
Bortles never had a true number one receiver. Bortles had a career passer rating of 80 vs Lawrence current 84 and dropping real fast. Lawrence did not have the arm Lawrence had but he got those ducks where they needed to go. Bortles had to suffer through Dave Caldwell's horrible reign of drafting and building a staff as well. If you put Bortles in his prime on this team I would bet it all that we would be a much better team. Bortles by no means was a good NFL QB but IMO better than we have seen from Lawrence.
Just listen to the talking heads tomorrow dawg out lawrence again and it will keep getting louder. Signing that contract may have been the biggest mistake in franchise history. That is saying a ton considering our past.
lol. Garrard was consistent? You clearly were not around those days. That was Garrard biggest problem; he would tease you one week then have a terrible performance the
Bortles is not a better QB. You say put him in his prime? Bortles best season , 2017, was outperformed by Trevor in 2022 so no, he’s not better than what we’ve seen from Lawrence. He never had a true “prime”. Trevor hasn’t even come close to the some of the ineptitude Bortles produced (exhibit A: the foot interception, or the throw into the back of his teammates helmet. Butt fumble level). Also Bortles had a true number 1 receiver in A Rob in 2015 and 2016 so that’s also false.
You saying TL is worse than them really just shows how dumb you are when it comes to football. Guarantee if you sat 32 GMs down and asked them to pick from one of those three to draft in their “prime”, the answer is Trevor, every time.
(09-29-2024, 11:52 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2024, 11:44 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ]Says the blind Trevor Homer with no common sense and no vision.
Garrard may have been captain checkdown but hew as consistent. He actually completed balls and never had a solid WR corps outside of Jimmy Smith for a very short time at the end of his career.
Bortles never had a true number one receiver. Bortles had a career passer rating of 80 vs Lawrence current 84 and dropping real fast. Lawrence did not have the arm Lawrence had but he got those ducks where they needed to go. Bortles had to suffer through Dave Caldwell's horrible reign of drafting and building a staff as well. If you put Bortles in his prime on this team I would bet it all that we would be a much better team. Bortles by no means was a good NFL QB but IMO better than we have seen from Lawrence.
Just listen to the talking heads tomorrow dawg out lawrence again and it will keep getting louder. Signing that contract may have been the biggest mistake in franchise history. That is saying a ton considering our past.
lol. Garrard was consistent? You clearly were not around those days. That was Garrard biggest problem; he would tease you one week then have a terrible performance the
Bortles is not a better QB. You say put him in his prime? Bortles best season , 2017, was outperformed by Trevor in 2022 so no, he’s not better than what we’ve seen from Lawrence. He never had a true “prime”. Trevor hasn’t even come close to the some of the ineptitude Bortles produced (exhibit A: the foot interception, or the throw into the back of his teammates helmet. Butt fumble level). Also Bortles had a true number 1 receiver in A Rob in 2015 and 2016 so that’s also false.
You saying TL is worse than them really just shows how dumb you are when it comes to football. Guarantee if you sat 32 GMs down and asked them to pick from one of those three to draft in their “prime”, the answer is Trevor, every time.
Childish insults are the tools of the Feeblemind.
Just to shut you up with facts and not opinon. David Garrard had a career rating of 85 vs Lawrence 84. David Garrard also was much more deadly with his legs. I would 100% take David Garrard vs Trevor Lawrence both in their prime.
Bortles is close with Lawrence. Borltes career rating was 80 vs Lawrence 84 but again I would take a prime Bortles over a Prime Lawrence. Even in 2022 Lawrence had moments of wild inconsistency. Bortles had guts and used his legs wisely at times. He had his bad years but look who was his head coach, and look at his supporting staff. For gods sake when Bortles was playing we would get blown out by 20 points and then have an Ice Cream party in the locker room.
Our current starting QB is no doubt one of the worst and possibly the worst in the league. Don't take my word on it. Watch what the experts say like ex PLayers, hall of fame coaches, and others who do all the sports radio shows. There is a consensus. across the NFL that Lawrence isn't good. I know I maybe being obtuse, but I think I am going to believe the Crews of NFL network and Espn (that consistent of said players and coaches I mentioned earlier) than the great genius SamasAranX over on the duval pride message board.
It's obvious your a blind fan/homer and I know nothing I can is going to convince you that Lawrence is a huge problem. Good luck with that, I choose to live in reality.
Absolutely not to sitting Lawrence.
The diehard Lawrence supporters deserve as much of him.as they can take, even if it's far more than the rest of us deserve, in order to finally someday get to the point where they admit he's terminally flawed.
I don't care if he loses the next 10 in a row, out he goes to the huddle.
If you think we lost because of Lawrence today Idk what to say. He missed a few throws high so did CJ. Our wr's had a few big drops and the goal line plays were dumb after that big run. I think his internal clock is f'd up and that won't be better until the line blocks better. CJ in comparison had all day to throw.
(09-30-2024, 12:04 AM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2024, 11:52 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]lol. Garrard was consistent? You clearly were not around those days. That was Garrard biggest problem; he would tease you one week then have a terrible performance the
Bortles is not a better QB. You say put him in his prime? Bortles best season , 2017, was outperformed by Trevor in 2022 so no, he’s not better than what we’ve seen from Lawrence. He never had a true “prime”. Trevor hasn’t even come close to the some of the ineptitude Bortles produced (exhibit A: the foot interception, or the throw into the back of his teammates helmet. Butt fumble level). Also Bortles had a true number 1 receiver in A Rob in 2015 and 2016 so that’s also false.
You saying TL is worse than them really just shows how dumb you are when it comes to football. Guarantee if you sat 32 GMs down and asked them to pick from one of those three to draft in their “prime”, the answer is Trevor, every time.
Childish insults are the tools of the Feeblemind.
Just to shut you up with facts and not opinon. David Garrard had a career rating of 85 vs Lawrence 84. David Garrard also was much more deadly with his legs. I would 100% take David Garrard vs Trevor Lawrence both in their prime.
Bortles is close with Lawrence. Borltes career rating was 80 vs Lawrence 84 but again I would take a prime Bortles over a Prime Lawrence. Even in 2022 Lawrence had moments of wild inconsistency. Bortles had guts and used his legs wisely at times. He had his bad years but look who was his head coach, and look at his supporting staff. For gods sake when Bortles was playing we would get blown out by 20 points and then have an Ice Cream party in the locker room.
Our current starting QB is no doubt one of the worst and possibly the worst in the league. Don't take my word on it. Watch what the experts say like ex PLayers, hall of fame coaches, and others who do all the sports radio shows. There is a consensus. across the NFL that Lawrence isn't good. I know I maybe being obtuse, but I think I am going to believe the Crews of NFL network and Espn (that consistent of said players and coaches I mentioned earlier) than the great genius SamasAranX over on the duval pride message board.
It's obvious you’re a blind fan/homer and I know nothing I can is going to convince you that Lawrence is a huge problem. Good luck with that, I choose to live in reality.
*feeble-minded
Reality is, he’s not the biggest problem on this team, and you contradict yourself in your own posts.
Oh Garrard has a higher career rating! (of one point, off a much larger sample size by the way). So that’s gospel. But wait, Bortles has a lower career rating. So never mind, let’s not use that, I just still would “rather” have Bortles (suddenly an opinion not a fact). There’s statistics where Trevor is better than Garrard/ Bortles that I could throw out there.
Then you defend Bortles using the “look at his staff” but then aren’t given Trevor the same mulligan now when it’s clear he’s dealing with the same problem; a staff that has its head buried in the sand and won’t adjust this offense to what Trevor’s strengths are. There is also the urban year. Which other teams personnel have said really screwed up his career trajectory.
He has no doubt regressed and I called him out today, and times past as well so I’m not a blind homer. I also never viewed him as an elite and think a more measured outlook was needed. Our difference of opinion lies in that I think Trevor can be, and most likely will be, a good starting QB in this league (most likely not with us). There’s only ONE, maybe two QBs in this league who truly transcend needing the right system and support in place to win consistently. Mahomes, possibly burrow. I can’t remember who said it, but often times it’s not just the QB you draft that matters, it’s where they go to as well. A prime example of this is Mayfield. Cleveland just churns QBs in and out. Mayfield wasn’t mahomes, got ran out, and is thriving in Tampa. The Jets. Did the same to Darnold. The Bears are doing it to Williams, and just did it to Fields. I mean, cmon man, you can’t tell me if Trevor was with Andy Reid, Kyle Shanahan or Sean McVay he wouldn’t be doing a lot better. If you do, I don’t think I can take your perspective as on of good faith.
I legit am to the point where I think Jax is a QB shredder just like those franchises. We’re never going to draft a successful QB, not just because of evaluation, but because of our dysfunctional way of operating. Doesn’t matter how talented they are as a prospect. So in six years, God help us, we’ll be having this same conversation about the next poor sap we screwed the pooch on.
(09-30-2024, 12:22 AM)IndyJagsFan Wrote: [ -> ]Absolutely not to sitting Lawrence.
The diehard Lawrence supporters deserve as much of him.as they can take, even if it's far more than the rest of us deserve, in order to finally someday get to the point where they admit he's terminally flawed.
I don't care if he loses the next 10 in a row, out he goes to the huddle.
My 2nd favorite thing as a Jags fan for the last few years lol, seeing the big homers suffer after defending awful players, coaches and GMs. This is Gene Smith - Dave Caldwell all over again, only this time it is with the QB.
I don't understand the obsession with Trevor, like really, is it his long blond hair? other than that he had like 6 good games and he has been slightly above average/average/bad in all others. His numbers are there with Daniel Jones numbers and he is playing like one of the worse 10 QBs in the league.
(09-30-2024, 12:32 AM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ] (09-30-2024, 12:04 AM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ]Childish insults are the tools of the Feeblemind.
Just to shut you up with facts and not opinon. David Garrard had a career rating of 85 vs Lawrence 84. David Garrard also was much more deadly with his legs. I would 100% take David Garrard vs Trevor Lawrence both in their prime.
Bortles is close with Lawrence. Borltes career rating was 80 vs Lawrence 84 but again I would take a prime Bortles over a Prime Lawrence. Even in 2022 Lawrence had moments of wild inconsistency. Bortles had guts and used his legs wisely at times. He had his bad years but look who was his head coach, and look at his supporting staff. For gods sake when Bortles was playing we would get blown out by 20 points and then have an Ice Cream party in the locker room.
Our current starting QB is no doubt one of the worst and possibly the worst in the league. Don't take my word on it. Watch what the experts say like ex PLayers, hall of fame coaches, and others who do all the sports radio shows. There is a consensus. across the NFL that Lawrence isn't good. I know I maybe being obtuse, but I think I am going to believe the Crews of NFL network and Espn (that consistent of said players and coaches I mentioned earlier) than the great genius SamasAranX over on the duval pride message board.
It's obvious you’re a blind fan/homer and I know nothing I can is going to convince you that Lawrence is a huge problem. Good luck with that, I choose to live in reality.
He has no doubt regressed and I called him out today, and times past as well so I’m not a blind homer. I also never viewed him as an elite and think a more measured outlook was needed. Our difference of opinion lies in that I think Trevor can be, and most likely will be, a good starting QB in this league (most likely not with us). There’s only ONE, maybe two QBs in this league who truly transcend needing the right system and support in place to win consistently. Mahomes, possibly burrow. I can’t remember who said it, but often times it’s not just the QB you draft that matters, it’s where they go to as well. A prime example of this is Mayfield. Cleveland just churns QBs in and out. Mayfield wasn’t mahomes, got ran out, and is thriving in Tampa. The Jets. Did the same to Darnold. The Bears are doing it to Williams, and just did it to Fields. I mean, cmon man, you can’t tell me if Trevor was with Andy Reid, Kyle Shanahan or Sean McVay he wouldn’t be doing a lot better. If you do, I don’t think I can take your perspective as on of good faith.
I also believe he can be good enough to win and I hope it is with us. Don't give up without trying a new staff/scheme. Blocking, plays, drops are all more of an issue to me right now.
(09-30-2024, 12:26 AM)nhiverson Wrote: [ -> ]If you think we lost because of Lawrence today Idk what to say. He missed a few throws high so did CJ. Our wr's had a few big drops and the goal line plays were dumb after that big run. I think his internal clock is f'd up and that won't be better until the line blocks better. CJ in comparison had all day to throw.
A lot of today was on Trevor.
(09-29-2024, 07:48 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2024, 07:47 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]When you look at the completion percentage and missed opportunities today overall?
It's primarily on Lawrence...
If coaches are expected to call every play into perfection? Where is the accountability on the player or players then for failing to execute them?
Doug's correct. It's a two way street, and, Lawrence had two massive opportunities to pull this team out of the "funk".
Instead? He left everybody at the altar.. twice...
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I'd rather get rid of Doug and his goons than Lawrence.
And by the way, Trevor did everything he could in the 2nd half to get them out of the funk.
Lol. Your posts reek of teal koolaid. Lawrence was awful today.
(09-29-2024, 04:23 PM)Newton Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah this was maybe Trevor’s worst game as a pro. Accounting for where he is at in his career
Seems like he is setting his bar up every week as his worse game.
Those who still believe are welcome to do so but I disagree. I believe you are delusional. I see what is on the field
This season 55% completion percentage, about 180 yards game, 4 td, 78 rating
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The numbers do not lie. The homers will make the excuse about drops but every team has them. This is his 4th year and 3rd year in this System We watch him every game make flat out stupid decisions and miss wide open receivers or make the wrong read. The excuses are old.
Lawrence currently is not and may never be a good NFL Qb. If we cannot agree on that, I do not believe you are coming from a common sense perspective.
I'm not even close to giving up on Trevor. Right now, something is wrong. Maybe a number of things. But that doesn't mean you give up on a young QB with his kind of physical talent. That would be like junking your Ferrari just because a couple of things went wrong with it.
I agree with the people who want to blow up the front office and coaching staff. It seems like Doug has lost the team, and I don't think Trent Baalke ever had it!
One of the things I've been saying is that I think Trevor might actually be trying too hard because of the big contract he just signed. He is putting too much pressure on himself to instantly be "The Prince that was Promised," because they are paying him like one now. What I think we need to do as fans is give the young man a break, let him take a breath and remember who he is and what he is capable of. With a little patience, he can still pay us off big time!
(09-29-2024, 04:12 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ]There were atlest 21 points left on the field today due to the Qb not able to complete open throws. The excuses have ran out. Trevor Lawrence is a bottom tier Qb who hit his peak 2 years ago. Bust!
I feel bad for bjt because he is good but the Qb stinks
I think it's a case of he's expecting to get blasted on every play after 2 seconds. He's got the jitters. All Trevor needs is to hit on one of those and I think the groove gets back.
Just the fact that we HAVE these opportunities is a positive sign. It will happen.
Maybe we leave contact live in practices so he's used to pressure and throwing amidst bodies. You know that these plays worked like a champ in practice, but something changes on Sunday. We all know what it is.
(09-29-2024, 04:17 PM)JagsFanSince95 Wrote: [ -> ]This should have been his "Ive arrived" game. 2 passing TDs on the field and an easy draw, he had a hole and pulled a Mark Sanchez, just didn't butt fumble it. He's a lost cause, and I am so livid we are on the hook with him for at least 2 more seasons.
We'll that certainly is a way of putting it.
I didn't see the hole, But on the botched run right before (?) it, I think he wanted to keep it and run right, I think he had it. Instead the handoff to Tank went right into a pile.
(09-29-2024, 04:26 PM)StrayaJag Wrote: [ -> ]Can someone explain the finger guns penalty
If the elbow bent and then went straight, you *might* be able to say he was gesturing for a first down.
BTJ looked like he was firing a musket. Right in front of an official. Not a smart move, but coaches saw that and said hold mah beer.
(09-29-2024, 04:27 PM)Jaguar Warrior Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2024, 04:26 PM)StrayaJag Wrote: [ -> ]Can someone explain the finger guns penalty
Americans are some of the biggest [BLEEP] wimps on the planet who whine about [BLEEP] everything. That's about it.
stupid rules. Why follow them, we should just give up yards to make a dumb point.
High fives won't draw a flag.
Year 4 already and Trevor is still needing to get handled with kids gloves and playing like a Rookie
(09-30-2024, 12:26 AM)nhiverson Wrote: [ -> ]If you think we lost because of Lawrence today Idk what to say. He missed a few throws high so did CJ. Our wr's had a few big drops and the goal line plays were dumb after that big run. I think his internal clock is f'd up and that won't be better until the line blocks better. CJ in comparison had all day to throw.
Absolutely this, it's also why he's developed the pirouette response to pressure.
(09-30-2024, 01:01 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ]https://youtu.be/L4O1avveKIc?si=X-PtdInzD52c2b53
Interesting takes. Sounds like Ryan and Cowher are putting some of this on coaching. Mind you, this was BEFORE the game with houston yesterday and it sounded like the coaches gave Lawrence exactly a lot of what these guys were looking for.
Lawrence has to execute better. We're getting closer I think. From getting out of this funk. I think our get right game is this Sunday. I really do.
(09-30-2024, 12:38 AM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ] (09-30-2024, 12:26 AM)nhiverson Wrote: [ -> ]If you think we lost because of Lawrence today Idk what to say. He missed a few throws high so did CJ. Our wr's had a few big drops and the goal line plays were dumb after that big run. I think his internal clock is f'd up and that won't be better until the line blocks better. CJ in comparison had all day to throw.
A lot of today was on Trevor.
Agreed. Two missed touchdown opportunities and a first down/potential touchdown opportunity were clearly on him.
One other thing that even the announcers pointed out is what he does if the pocket starts to close around him. He always tries to spin to his right then scramble to his left rather than step up in the pocket and/or protect the football.. That not only makes him more predictable, but it's also bad mechanics. I'm sure that when defense's study tape they note the trend and are prepared for it.
(09-30-2024, 01:01 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ]https://youtu.be/L4O1avveKIc?si=X-PtdInzD52c2b53
I agree with much of what they were saying. Their first couple of offensive possessions they were doing what works. Short quick passes with some runs mixed in. It's not exciting, but they were moving the ball down the field effectively. Once they went with deeper passing plays is when Trevor (and the rest of the offense) started messing up.
I don't think Trevor is a
bad QB, but he is certainly not the "generational talent" that so many people hyped him up to be. I also don't think that benching him would be a smart move (that's a pretty dumb idea). Since so many think that coaching is the problem, I think that he could benefit from getting some coaching from a veteran QB.
