I like Minshew as much as the rest of Duval Nation, but we all know his ceiling is very low because of his physical limitations. If the world was fair, Gardner would be as tall, fast, and strong as Trevor. If he had been, he would have been an amazing player. As it is, he's stuck being the Rudy Ruettiger of NFL quarterbacks. Great guy with talent that unfortunately doesn't match his heart.
(09-30-2024, 11:52 PM)Portofino43 Wrote: [ -> ]I like Minshew as much as the rest of Duval Nation, but we all know his ceiling is very low because of his physical limitations. If the world was fair, Gardner would be as tall, fast, and strong as Trevor. If he had been, he would have been an amazing player. As it is, he's stuck being the Rudy Ruettiger of NFL quarterbacks. Great guy with talent that unfortunately doesn't match his heart.
Agreed. When she asks for 9 inches but the best you can do is 6? Learn to put your back into it and give her the ol' Irish Tornado.
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(09-30-2024, 11:39 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ]Pff on Lawrence around 7 min mark
https://youtu.be/P4oelLGSHYE?si=HfzGRaaZzWkfHmNE
100% in disagreement with them stating that QB draw on 4th and goal was a good call. It was NOT a good call. It goes back to the other failures on 4th down attempts this year.
You ran it three times in a row, and completely failed, so, fourth times a charm? That's what frustrated me about that whole series. It was maybe the one lone spot where I could really criticize the coaching staff.
That whole series of events was just bad. After Bigsby cracked that long run open, and was gassed, they should have called a timeout with 1st and goal to get their house in order. Something I would really, really like to see Doug do more of moving forward now in those situations if they're available for use.
If you're going to call QB draw on that series? Fine. Just do it on 1st and goal in my opinion. With an RPO element. Don't do it from the gun with no lead blocking elements as well if you're expecting Bigsby to do it back-to-back-to-back.
I saw Houston do it in this game though. I see the Chiefs do it quite a bit as well as a few other teams. But, when you're inside the 5, 10 yard line, they really do need to be more creative with pre snap motion, misdirection and play action. This lining it up and running it [BLEEP] doesn't work all the time.
When you use jet sweeps, bootlegs and misdirection plays with some of your fastest players on offense? The defense will take notice because it's a foot race between your guy and their boundary defender. This is how you get a safety to cheat up and blow his assignment on the back end of the endzone.
You see it damn near every gameday now and it's something we should be doing routinely with our offense.
Even the run heavy teams like the 49ers, Eagles and Ravens know this and they at the minimum mix in at least one or two play calls that offer some element of freezing the defense or getting the linebackers to move left or right just enough to move the coverage away from a potential TD opportunity.
(10-01-2024, 12:07 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (09-30-2024, 11:39 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ]Pff on Lawrence around 7 min mark
https://youtu.be/P4oelLGSHYE?si=HfzGRaaZzWkfHmNE
100% in disagreement with them stating that QB draw on 4th and goal was a good call. It was NOT a good call. It goes back to the other failures on 4th down attempts this year.
You ran it three times in a row, and completely failed, so, fourth times a charm? That's what frustrated me about that whole series. It was maybe the one lone spot where I could really criticize the coaching staff.
That whole series of events was just bad. After Bigsby cracked that long run open, and was gassed, they should have called a timeout with 1st and goal to get their house in order. Something I would really, really like to see Doug do more of moving forward now in those situations if they're available for use.
If you're going to call QB draw on that series? Fine. Just do it on 1st and goal in my opinion. With an RPO element. Don't do it from the gun with no lead blocking elements as well if you're expecting Bigsby to do it back-to-back-to-back.
I saw Houston do it in this game though. I see the Chiefs do it quite a bit as well as a few other teams. But, when you're inside the 5, 10 yard line, they really do need to be more creative with pre snap motion, misdirection and play action. This lining it up and running it [BLEEP] doesn't work all the time.
Even the run heavy teams like the 49ers, Eagles and Ravens know this and they at the minimum mix in at least one or two play calls that offer some element of freezing the defense or getting the linebackers to move left or right just enough to move the coverage away from a potential TD opportunity.
Timeout or better yet just install a package of a handful of plays that get called after a big gain. The whole delays of game or guys getting gassed after big gains has been a problem all year. Have 3 or 4 plays that the offense knows 1 of which is going to get called after a 25+ yard gain or whatever and don't call for the guy that just ran his [BLEEP] off with the ball to get the ball again immediately on the next play. Then proceed as normal on 2nd down and sub guys in and out as needed. These issues shouldn't be there in year 3 of a Doug Pederson led offense.
(10-01-2024, 12:15 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ] (10-01-2024, 12:07 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]100% in disagreement with them stating that QB draw on 4th and goal was a good call. It was NOT a good call. It goes back to the other failures on 4th down attempts this year.
You ran it three times in a row, and completely failed, so, fourth times a charm? That's what frustrated me about that whole series. It was maybe the one lone spot where I could really criticize the coaching staff.
That whole series of events was just bad. After Bigsby cracked that long run open, and was gassed, they should have called a timeout with 1st and goal to get their house in order. Something I would really, really like to see Doug do more of moving forward now in those situations if they're available for use.
If you're going to call QB draw on that series? Fine. Just do it on 1st and goal in my opinion. With an RPO element. Don't do it from the gun with no lead blocking elements as well if you're expecting Bigsby to do it back-to-back-to-back.
I saw Houston do it in this game though. I see the Chiefs do it quite a bit as well as a few other teams. But, when you're inside the 5, 10 yard line, they really do need to be more creative with pre snap motion, misdirection and play action. This lining it up and running it [BLEEP] doesn't work all the time.
Even the run heavy teams like the 49ers, Eagles and Ravens know this and they at the minimum mix in at least one or two play calls that offer some element of freezing the defense or getting the linebackers to move left or right just enough to move the coverage away from a potential TD opportunity.
Timeout or better yet just install a package of a handful of plays that get called after a big gain. The whole delays of game or guys getting gassed after big gains has been a problem all year. Have 3 or 4 plays that the offense knows 1 of which is going to get called after a 25+ yard gain or whatever and don't call for the guy that just ran his [BLEEP] off with the ball to get the ball again immediately on the next play. Then proceed as normal on 2nd down and sub guys in and out as needed. These issues shouldn't be there in year 3 of a Doug Pederson led offense.
Agreed. Have your best 3 to 5 options in that situation ready to go in the hopper. Have your personnel packages ready to go based on that week's gameplan. Something else we haven't seen enough of, especially now with Bigsby having success?
Where's the split backfield with him and Etienne out there together? Why are we not doing that? Bisgby is clearly a good runner now with the ability to make something out of nothing. Etienne is a pretty good pass catcher.
They really do need to figure out a way to get this 2 back system stuff going. Tampa's doing it. Detroit's doing it. Atlanta's doing it. Baltimore's doing it. We can do it. We can absolutely do it.
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(09-30-2024, 11:52 PM)Portofino43 Wrote: [ -> ]I like Minshew as much as the rest of Duval Nation, but we all know his ceiling is very low because of his physical limitations. If the world was fair, Gardner would be as tall, fast, and strong as Trevor. If he had been, he would have been an amazing player. As it is, he's stuck being the Rudy Ruettiger of NFL quarterbacks. Great guy with talent that unfortunately doesn't match his heart.
I ll take Minshews limitations as long as i can have his heart and intangibles. Beats the crap weve been subjected to over the last 8 games.
(10-01-2024, 12:54 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ] (09-30-2024, 11:52 PM)Portofino43 Wrote: [ -> ]I like Minshew as much as the rest of Duval Nation, but we all know his ceiling is very low because of his physical limitations. If the world was fair, Gardner would be as tall, fast, and strong as Trevor. If he had been, he would have been an amazing player. As it is, he's stuck being the Rudy Ruettiger of NFL quarterbacks. Great guy with talent that unfortunately doesn't match his heart.
I ll take Minshews limitations as long as i can have his heart and intangibles. Beats the crap weve been subjected to over the last 8 games.
He's fixing to be without DaVante Adams soon I guess if the trade rumors are true. Feel bad for the guy. Feel bad for the team really.
(10-01-2024, 12:07 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (09-30-2024, 11:39 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ]Pff on Lawrence around 7 min mark
https://youtu.be/P4oelLGSHYE?si=HfzGRaaZzWkfHmNE
100% in disagreement with them stating that QB draw on 4th and goal was a good call. It was NOT a good call. It goes back to the other failures on 4th down attempts this year.
You ran it three times in a row, and completely failed, so, fourth times a charm? That's what frustrated me about that whole series. It was maybe the one lone spot where I could really criticize the coaching staff.
That whole series of events was just bad. After Bigsby cracked that long run open, and was gassed, they should have called a timeout with 1st and goal to get their house in order. Something I would really, really like to see Doug do more of moving forward now in those situations if they're available for use.
If you're going to call QB draw on that series? Fine. Just do it on 1st and goal in my opinion. With an RPO element. Don't do it from the gun with no lead blocking elements as well if you're expecting Bigsby to do it back-to-back-to-back.
I saw Houston do it in this game though. I see the Chiefs do it quite a bit as well as a few other teams. But, when you're inside the 5, 10 yard line, they really do need to be more creative with pre snap motion, misdirection and play action. This lining it up and running it [BLEEP] doesn't work all the time.
When you use jet sweeps, bootlegs and misdirection plays with some of your fastest players on offense? The defense will take notice because it's a foot race between your guy and their boundary defender. This is how you get a safety to cheat up and blow his assignment on the back end of the endzone.
You see it damn near every gameday now and it's something we should be doing routinely with our offense.
Even the run heavy teams like the 49ers, Eagles and Ravens know this and they at the minimum mix in at least one or two play calls that offer some element of freezing the defense or getting the linebackers to move left or right just enough to move the coverage away from a potential TD opportunity.
I get the idea of hustling to the line to maybe force them to call the TO or catch them just as winded. Giving it right back to Bigsby was a bad choice.
Once the gimmick didn't stick, settle down, catch a breath, call a damn money play. Then let Little kick the XP.
The draw might have been better on down 1 or 2, but one thing we certainly appear to lack is situational awareness.
(10-01-2024, 04:52 PM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (10-01-2024, 12:07 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]100% in disagreement with them stating that QB draw on 4th and goal was a good call. It was NOT a good call. It goes back to the other failures on 4th down attempts this year.
You ran it three times in a row, and completely failed, so, fourth times a charm? That's what frustrated me about that whole series. It was maybe the one lone spot where I could really criticize the coaching staff.
That whole series of events was just bad. After Bigsby cracked that long run open, and was gassed, they should have called a timeout with 1st and goal to get their house in order. Something I would really, really like to see Doug do more of moving forward now in those situations if they're available for use.
If you're going to call QB draw on that series? Fine. Just do it on 1st and goal in my opinion. With an RPO element. Don't do it from the gun with no lead blocking elements as well if you're expecting Bigsby to do it back-to-back-to-back.
I saw Houston do it in this game though. I see the Chiefs do it quite a bit as well as a few other teams. But, when you're inside the 5, 10 yard line, they really do need to be more creative with pre snap motion, misdirection and play action. This lining it up and running it [BLEEP] doesn't work all the time.
When you use jet sweeps, bootlegs and misdirection plays with some of your fastest players on offense? The defense will take notice because it's a foot race between your guy and their boundary defender. This is how you get a safety to cheat up and blow his assignment on the back end of the endzone.
You see it damn near every gameday now and it's something we should be doing routinely with our offense.
Even the run heavy teams like the 49ers, Eagles and Ravens know this and they at the minimum mix in at least one or two play calls that offer some element of freezing the defense or getting the linebackers to move left or right just enough to move the coverage away from a potential TD opportunity.
I get the idea of hustling to the line to maybe force them to call the TO or catch them just as winded. Giving it right back to Bigsby was a bad choice.
Once the gimmick didn't stick, settle down, catch a breath, call a damn money play. Then let Little kick the XP.
The draw might have been better on down 1 or 2, but one thing we certainly appear to lack is situational awareness.
It really is frustrating. Everybody is missing a piece of the puzzle between the players and the coaching staff and it shows weekly in these games. We really do need everybody to be on the same page. Doug needs to call a timeout there. Hell, if Doug won't do it? [BLEEP] Lawrence needs to do it then. Players are allowed to call a timeout.
That's apart of maturing as well for him. Should he have to do it? No, probably not. But, hey man, if you have a feeling things are fixing to go to [BLEEP] because you don't like this call or that call? Use the timeout and tell your coaches that. "I don't like it, let's try something else".
Praying for a win this Sunday at home. They need it. This fanbase needs it. It'll get the rudders turning again. It's a game of momentum. All it takes is a little push in the right direction.
There's plenty of blame to go around. However, the loss this Sunday falls solely on Trevor's shoulders. If he connects on a few of those misses, it not only gives us points (See missed bomb to Christian Kirk), but it gives us juice and momentum that I believe would have been more than enough to put the Tinhorns away. Houston played sloppy all day. This one's on 16.
(10-01-2024, 12:07 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (09-30-2024, 11:39 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ]Pff on Lawrence around 7 min mark
https://youtu.be/P4oelLGSHYE?si=HfzGRaaZzWkfHmNE
100% in disagreement with them stating that QB draw on 4th and goal was a good call. It was NOT a good call. It goes back to the other failures on 4th down attempts this year.
You ran it three times in a row, and completely failed, so, fourth times a charm? That's what frustrated me about that whole series. It was maybe the one lone spot where I could really criticize the coaching staff.
That whole series of events was just bad. After Bigsby cracked that long run open, and was gassed, they should have called a timeout with 1st and goal to get their house in order. Something I would really, really like to see Doug do more of moving forward now in those situations if they're available for use.
If you're going to call QB draw on that series? Fine. Just do it on 1st and goal in my opinion. With an RPO element. Don't do it from the gun with no lead blocking elements as well if you're expecting Bigsby to do it back-to-back-to-back.
I saw Houston do it in this game though. I see the Chiefs do it quite a bit as well as a few other teams. But, when you're inside the 5, 10 yard line, they really do need to be more creative with pre snap motion, misdirection and play action. This lining it up and running it [BLEEP] doesn't work all the time.
When you use jet sweeps, bootlegs and misdirection plays with some of your fastest players on offense? The defense will take notice because it's a foot race between your guy and their boundary defender. This is how you get a safety to cheat up and blow his assignment on the back end of the endzone.
You see it damn near every gameday now and it's something we should be doing routinely with our offense.
Even the run heavy teams like the 49ers, Eagles and Ravens know this and they at the minimum mix in at least one or two play calls that offer some element of freezing the defense or getting the linebackers to move left or right just enough to move the coverage away from a potential TD opportunity.
They ran it twice in a row with Bigsby after he was gassed from that 58 yarder (1st and 2nd down). Lawrence threw it on 3rd down and bum [BLEEP] Gabe Davis let it bounce right off his face mask. Should have been a TD. They then ran that QB draw on 4th down.
What made that call even worse is the fact that they had the entire end of the 3rd quarter/start of the 4th quarter break to draw up a perfect play and that's what they came up with.
Let's also not forget we had the ball with just 4:30 minutes left up by 3. And we threw the ball 3 times... Giving them 4 minutes and not having to use 1 of their last 2 timeouts.
I can't believe nobody has mentioned this all week...
Edit: We should have won that game with or without the few bad passes by T-Law
(10-01-2024, 07:36 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]Let's also not forget we had the ball with just 4:30 minutes left up by 3. And we threw the ball 3 times... Giving them 4 minutes and not having to use 1 of their last 2 timeouts.
I can't believe nobody has mentioned this all week...
Edit: We should have won that game with or without the few bad passes by T-Law
They did not throw the ball 3 times on our final Offensive possession. They ran it on 1st down. Then they threw it on 2nd and 3rd down. Should have just ran it and bled the clock the entire time but it wasn't 3 straight throws.
(10-02-2024, 03:52 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-01-2024, 07:36 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]Let's also not forget we had the ball with just 4:30 minutes left up by 3. And we threw the ball 3 times... Giving them 4 minutes and not having to use 1 of their last 2 timeouts.
I can't believe nobody has mentioned this all week...
Edit: We should have won that game with or without the few bad passes by T-Law
They did not throw the ball 3 times on our final Offensive possession. They ran it on 1st down. Then they threw it on 2nd and 3rd down. Should have just ran it and bled the clock the entire time but it wasn't 3 straight throws.
We just needed a first down on that series however we got it
Same ol jags can never get a first when we need it
(10-02-2024, 08:14 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (10-01-2024, 07:36 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]Let's also not forget we had the ball with just 4:30 minutes left up by 3. And we threw the ball 3 times... Giving them 4 minutes and not having to use 1 of their last 2 timeouts.
I can't believe nobody has mentioned this all week...
Edit: We should have won that game with or without the few bad passes by T-Law
we have, where you been?
Sticking pins in his Press Taylor doll.
(10-01-2024, 05:22 PM)pimpforcefield Wrote: [ -> ]There's plenty of blame to go around. However, the loss this Sunday falls solely on Trevor's shoulders. If he connects on a few of those misses, it not only gives us points (See missed bomb to Christian Kirk), but it gives us juice and momentum that I believe would have been more than enough to put the Tinhorns away. Houston played sloppy all day. This one's on 16.
It's on Trevor. That's why I think I dialed back my heat or frustration with the coaching staff. Sure, there's some things they should be doing more of. Calling a timeout when the offense is sputtering inside the redzone, maybe mixing up the play calls better so it's not predictable to the point to where the fans can see it coming and the commentators can call it out like Johnny on the spot.
But, it's 100% on Trevor. He HAS to nail those two TD passes. He HAS to. When the offense is in a funk, it's your job as the QB to rally the troops, restore the faith and morale with not just your offense, but, the ENTIRE team. The QB touches the football more than anybody else on the roster.
He's being paid PRIMO now and he has to deliver in those situations. They were WIDE OPEN. That's just on those two plays. He had some other throws that makes you scratch your head. Like the miss to Etienne on that 3rd and 1 where he knew the play was there and the blitz was coming.
Or that other play to Strange on 3rd and manageable where he shoots a laser to the sideline on an out route with nobody around him, he could have delivered a better ball inside to potentially allow Strange to field it, get his body revved up and maybe a chance at getting some YAC there and the 1st down.
It's the little things, the little attention to details that are killing this team right now, not all of that is on coaching. The players have to deliver better. Especially in those "gotta have it" situations.
