Quote:I am a libertarian, remember?
And yes, I think it's hypocritical to dictate decorum for something as personal as recognizing the national anthem, and then saying that people have a right to their own personal freedoms.
You're making a judgment against the individual freedoms of your fellow citizen.
That to me is very anti-libertarian.
Nobody is dictating anything. It is called criticism. Free speech. If they were dictating (def: lay down authoritatively; prescribe.), they would be ordering the individuals to raise their hand over their heart. You may believe it is a hypocritical mentality, but the ability to freely comment on any aspect of society, behavior, etc with impunity is a very libertarian ideal.
Quote:Libertarians can criticize you all they want, but they wont force you to conform.
Do you even libertarian, bro?
He's pretending Libertarian. Bill Maher level trolling. Maher claims it, too - but in reality he's anything but.
Quote:I am a libertarian, remember?
And yes, I think it's hypocritical to dictate decorum for something as personal as recognizing the national anthem, and then saying that people have a right to their own personal freedoms.
You're making a judgment against the individual freedoms of your fellow citizen.
That to me is very anti-libertarian.
Except nothing is "dictated" as far as decorum or etiquette. That's why commies like you can have your "personal recognition" of the national anthem and/or the flag. You are given that freedom even though it's not "right".
I'll bet you [BAD WORD REMOVED] at fancy dinners too.
Edit - I guess the common word for flatulence is filtered.
Quote:Except nothing is "dictated" as far as decorum or etiquette. That's why commies like you can have your "personal recognition" of the national anthem and/or the flag. You are given that freedom even though it's not "right".
I'll bet you [BAD WORD REMOVED] at fancy dinners too.
Surely your attitude to the flag/anthem is more "commie"?
Quote:Surely your attitude to the flag/anthem is more "commie"?
Australia, please go to bed. You are embarrassing yourself. Don't you have a giant spider or dingo to hide from?
Quote:Australia, please go to bed. You are embarrassing yourself. Don't you have a giant spider or dingo to hide from?
It's 8am mate. Also i'm embarrassing myself by pointing out contradictions? This coming from a fully signed up member of any conspiracy theory going?
Quote:Surely your attitude to the flag/anthem is more "commie"?
Not at all. I show my respect and gratefulness to my brother soldiers that paid the ultimate sacrifice so that I can live in a free society and NOT in some God forsaken place such as Australia. As much as foreigners like to mock us, this is still the MOST free country in the world. I'll take FREEDOM any day.
Quote:It's 8am mate. Also i'm embarrassing myself by pointing out contradictions? This coming from a fully signed up member of any conspiracy theory going?
What contradiction? You didn't point out anything. Respect for the national anthem or flag is communism? Do you even read what you write? If anything, it falls under nationalism or patriotism, neither of which are political ideologies. Respect for national symbols has existed since the birth of the nation-state thousands of years ago. Learn some history, m8.
Oh wait, I forgot, all the top universities are in the US. Well, I suppose you can attend your local food market and get some training on how to make a sick bloomin' onion. Love those things.
Honestly it's really not a big deal to stand, face the flag, put your hand on your heart and remember the sacrifices that made America what it is.
I also don't believe it's wrong to be irritated when you feel someone isn't being respectful to the flag, but it does not allow for violence against the offender!
Quote:Not at all. I show my respect and gratefulness to my brother soldiers that paid the ultimate sacrifice so that I can live in a free society and NOT in some God forsaken place such as Australia. As much as foreigners like to mock us, this is still the MOST free country in the world. I'll take FREEDOM any day.
Real godforsaken place this Australia. I thought you would respect the inhumane way Australia treats refugees? (Oh am I free to say that?)
So what makes you more free there than here? I can observe the anthem how I like without getting controlled by group think for a start
Quote:What contradiction? You didn't point out anything. Respect for the national anthem or flag is communism? Do you even read what you write? If anything, it falls under nationalism or patriotism, neither of which are political ideologies. Respect for national symbols has existed since the birth of the nation-state thousands of years ago. Learn some history, m8.
Oh wait, I forgot, all the top universities are in the US. Well, I suppose you can attend your local food market and get some training on how to make a sick bloomin' onion. Love those things.
I didn't say it was communism, I said demanding everyone acted the same way to the flag and anthem is more "commie" in reply to JIB. It's probably closer linked to fascism.
Which university did you go to? I'm from the UK and the top universities there are as highly regarded as any in the US. Australia has a few which are up there too.
Although I thought Uni's are full of brainwashed lefties? So is it a good thing? :woot:
Quote:I didn't say it was communism, I said demanding everyone acted the same way to the flag and anthem is more "commie" in reply to JIB. It's probably closer linked to fascism.
Which university did you go to? I'm from the UK and the top universities there are as highly regarded as any in the US. Australia has a few which are up there too.
Ahahaha nice back pedaling, bro. Is that skill in high demand around Brisbane?
I could tell you I have a PhD in Law from Cornell and you would have no way of proving or disproving that claim. So to make things easy, I will just say I am well-educated in the ways of the force. No doubt there are good universities in Australia, and especially in the UK, but sadly they just don't compare to good ol' American higher education.
I will give you credit though, your lower education outclasses ours by a mile.
Quote:Ahahaha nice back pedaling, bro. Is that skill in high demand around Brisbane?
I could tell you I have a PhD in Law from Cornell and you would have no way of proving or disproving that claim. So to make things easy, I will just say I am well-educated in the ways of the force. No doubt there are good universities in Australia, and especially in the UK, but sadly they just don't compare to good ol' American higher education.
I will give you credit though, your lower education outclasses ours by a mile.
What was backpedaled? you've lost me.
I went to a mediocre university which wouldn't rank highly worldwide. I chose my university based on the city I wanted to live. Not even sure how students afford to live in London.
No doubt top universities in US are great, unfortunately that doesn't reflect in society as a whole. Hey Donald likes the uneducated so it's not all bad.
Quote:What was backpedaled? you've lost me.
I went to a mediocre university which wouldn't rank highly worldwide. I chose my university based on the city I wanted to live. Not even sure how students afford to live in London.
No doubt top universities in US are great, unfortunately that doesn't reflect in society as a whole. Hey Donald likes the uneducated so it's not all bad.
Good thing education level has nothing to do with intelligence or skill. You actually sounded like you used uneducated as an insult. Do you honestly feel that way? That if you don't have a degree from a college that you are a person of lower class?
Quote:Good thing education level has nothing to do with intelligence or skill. You actually sounded like you used uneducated as an insult. Do you honestly feel that way? That if you don't have a degree from a college that you are a person of lower class?
It's this level of reading comprehension that makes me think you haven't attended University. I didn't actually write anything you just insinuated.
However I will pick you up on class (Being a Brit I'm an expert). Further education is a big part of class structures. Isn't the whole point of going so you can get a professional job easier? I couldn't be an Accountant if I hadn't been educated as such.
Quote:Except nothing is "dictated" as far as decorum or etiquette. That's why commies like you can have your "personal recognition" of the national anthem and/or the flag. You are given that freedom even though it's not "right".
Except for the fact that your PC mentality is making a social construct for the entire nation. You are saying that any grown man that decides to pay respect to the flag in a manner in which YOU disagree is not a true citizen and is not respectful to the nation.
This is anti-libertarian. And as LOA points out is true communism and authoritarian.
Look, I know you must be pretty smart at electronics. But based on the fact that you are ignorant to what sample sizes are, how post convention bumps work, and the fact that you clearly don't know what is or is not communist, you may want to actually sit back and learn something before you open your mouth and look silly...
With all due respect to you, of course.
Quote:Not at all. I show my respect and gratefulness to my brother soldiers that paid the ultimate sacrifice so that I can live in a free society and NOT in some God forsaken place such as Australia. As much as foreigners like to mock us, this is still the MOST free country in the world. I'll take FREEDOM any day.
Just an FYI, LOA is not mocking Americans. He's mocking the ignorant. He's mocking you. Not me. I'm an American. Just something to consider. Again, it's hilarious to watch you flounder sometimes. But, seriously... If you want to learn stuff, you may want to stop with the holier than thou attitude. Especially when you are so often embarrassingly wrong.
Quote:He's pretending Libertarian. Bill Maher level trolling. Maher claims it, too - but in reality he's anything but.
Pirk,
You realize that the reason the GOP and libertarians are always losing nationally is that you guys prefer to include David Duke, and exclude folks like me. Trust me, I'm more of a libertarian you'd want on your side than those that your party is currently courting...
Just something to think about.
Quote:It's this level of reading comprehension that makes me think you haven't attended University. I didn't actually write anything you just insinuated.
However I will pick you up on class (Being a Brit I'm an expert). Further education is a big part of class structures. Isn't the whole point of going so you can get a professional job easier? I couldn't be an Accountant if I hadn't been educated as such.
Depends on the profession. Does a college degree often help a welder? Carpenter? Agriculturalist? Electrician? Real-estate agent? IT? Independent programming? Often these professions are entered via apprenticeships, certifications, or pure experience/skill. People who take these routes are considered statistically uneducated. Does that sound fair to you? Do you put them at a lower class?
Quote:Depends on the profession. Does a college degree often help a welder? Carpenter? Agriculturalist? Electrician? Real-estate agent? IT? Independent programming? Often these professions are entered via apprenticeships, certifications, or pure experience/skill. People who take these routes are considered statistically uneducated. Does that sound fair to you? Do you put them at a lower class?
You make a good point, but then HS education should become more rigorous, in my opinion.
Being exposed to the classics in Humanity, Literature, and Philosophy and having to think that stuff through makes for an educated society. Education is the key to maintaining a democracy.
Learning a trade may make you comfortable. But if you cannot think critically about issues, you still remain ignorant to forces that can control you.