Quote:Assuming you have no intention of reading scientific studies on why a person with male parts would identify as a female and also assuming you also would never engage in a dialogue with an actual trans person, I can understand how a person's equipment is an enormous hang up for you. That's the truth you are comfortable with and nothing is going to move you from that position. Can you conceive of the possibility a person born male might have the self image of a female or may feel like a woman trapped in a man's body? Maybe. But you cannot grasp why. You choose not to really investigate the why behind it. Probably because you've never really had cause to consider the world you live in may not align perfectly with your impression of it.
You know what happens when you assume.
Quote:Genetics is just a hang up now?
Highest per capita for education ladies and gentlemen.
Hey hey ho ho
Western Civ has got to go.
It never ceases to amaze me the leaps of mental gymnastics some will go through affirm their ignorance and border line bigotry. You all think you know the "truth" of the matter about who and what they are. I don't believe for a second a single one of you have ever had a conversation with a trans person or really care to try and understand what it is like to be them, to go through the harassment and discrimination they deal with on a daily basis just for being themselves. That you all think they actually chose this is insultingly absurd and highlights the willful ignorance you possess on the subject matter.
Quote:The saddest lies are the ones we tell ourselves.
So true. It posted twice.
And yet that can be said of the Trans.
Quote:You know what happens when you assume.
In your case, I'm pretty comfortable with the assumption.
And please note that I don't have anything against any of these groups we're discussing. I didn't wake up this morning thinking about what I could do to make some poor gay or trans person's life harder, though that is how it will be framed in this discussion.
Quote:And yet that can be said of the Trans.
Can it? They're lying about how they self identify? Or any man who dresses like a woman is lying to society? Guess you're not a big David Bowie fan.
Quote:In your case, I'm pretty comfortable with the assumption.
Well, that's your prerogative.
Quote:Drop the mic
Speaking of dropping things. How often were you dropped as a baby? If the answer is anything other than "quite often" I'm calling shenanigans.
Duh.. forgot. You don't do answers.
Quote:Well, that's your prerogative.
Oh.. my apologies. Did the grinch's heart grow three sizes on this day? I thought you were chairman of the "I don't care" committee.
Quote:Yes
Might I recommend going out on top then? Retirement suits you.
Quote:Can it? They're lying about how they self identify? Or any man who dresses like a woman is lying to society? Guess you're not a big David Bowie fan.
Sick people can truly believe that they are well/normal, that's all I meant.
Quote:And please note that I don't have anything against any of these groups we're discussing. I didn't wake up this morning thinking about what I could do to make some poor gay or trans person's life harder, though that is how it will be framed in this discussion.
You don't have anything against them.. but you don't like the approach multiple states have implemented without any increase in negative activity. You feel people are being punished by these policies, but cannot explain how or why. I suppose it's a good start that you have nothing against them.
Quote:Sick people can truly believe that they are well/normal, that's all I meant.
At least we are getting somewhere. You feel these people are sick. Some people would agree. Most scientists who have studied transgender people would not.
Quote:I'm fine thanks.
At least my assumptions are still pretty accurate.
Quote:You don't have anything against them.. but you don't like the approach multiple states have implemented without any increase in negative activity. You feel people are being punished by these policies, but cannot explain how or why? I suppose it's a good start that you have nothing against them.
You know, I really do feel bad for you. You are obviously passionate about this cause and I sympathize with you even if we can't agree.
Quote:Speaking of dropping things. How often were you dropped as a baby? If the answer is anything other than "quite often" I'm calling shenanigans.
Duh.. forgot. You don't do answers.
Blind lady....
The end of your credibility