Quote:They are putting a lot of pressure on a kid coming off an ACL injury who's never played a down. They missed on Luke and he was 2nd overall. If Dave is smart he will get a proven pass rusher in free agency
How is Dante Fowler under any more pressure than anyone else who comes back from tearing his ACL? And what makes you think putting him under a lot of pressure is bad? That is part of being a player.
Quote:At least you finally admit I'm right.
Despite their rankings? That's not how this works. Headed in the right direction? That's not what I would call it.
In 2012 they allowed 27.8 PPG. In 2013, his first year, they allowed 28.1 PPG, in 2014 they allowed 25.8 PPG, in 2015 they allowed 28 PPG. Do you think going from 28.1 PPG to 25.8 PPG enough improvement?
As far as yards go: 2012 they allowed 380.5 yards per game, 2013 they allowed 379.4, in 2014 they allowed 370.8, in 2015 they allowed 375. Do you consider going from 379.4 to 370.8 is enough improvement?
In 2012 this team had 20 sacks, 2013 they had 31 , 2014 they had 45, 2015 they had 36.
2012 had 12 INTs, 2013 had 11 , 2014 had 6, 2015 had 9.
Yes, no way could we fire a guy after all that improvement. Oh wait, despite the rankings. The things that matter.
Scarecrow...
Do you deny the defense was hurt by the offense-an offense featuring 5-7 rookie starters, in 2014?
Do you contend there has been an infusion of talent on defense comparable in scope to the offense in 2014?
For those who are unenthusiastic about the Wash hiring, do you believe there was substantial offensive improvement between 2014 and 2015? Follow up question: How did you feel about the Olsen hire at the time it was announced?
Quote:Scarecrow...
Do you deny the defense was hurt by the offense-an offense featuring 5-7 rookie starters, in 2014?
Do you contend there has been an infusion of talent on defense comparable in scope to the offense in 2014?
For those who are unenthusiastic about the Wash hiring, do you believe there was substantial offensive improvement between 2014 and 2015? Follow up question: How did you feel about the Olsen hire at the time it was announced?
As to your first question yes, to some extent. By how much? I don't know.
As to the second question, of course not.
I wasn't the one trying to argue improvement in 2014. I wasn't the one poking fun. I brought up facts, FBT doesn't want to use those facts. That's not my issue and I'm not going to argue with him about it anymore. Why would I?
I like the attitude of Wash. Personally, all situations considered, I am happy he was the choice. By hiring someone inside that assures we will continue to run this scheme and with some added talent and a year of development in guys like Colvin and Telvin, a year of familiarity for guys like House, Odrick, Skuta etc, we will finally know what we have. From Gus on down, this year will tell us if the arrow really is pointed upward.
I do not have faith that Gus will turn out to be a Super Bowl or even playoff level coach anytime soon. I don't think he ever leads us to a Super Bowl. Do I want to be wrong? You are darn right I do and I hope I am very soon. I simply do not see it in Gus. I like the man's attitude and him as a person but it's time to put up or shut up.
I was not enthusiastic by the Olsen hire and I am still not. I've stated my opinion on that numerous times now. I know that I'm in the minority after last season. I'm okay with that. It's only my opinion. I contend that yes, while there was improvement, there was bound to be after 1. How awful we were in 2014 and 2. very talented players in Bortles, Hurns and ARob. I think those three are naturally talented enough to show decent improvement from the garbage we saw in 2014. It was almost impossible for Olsen not to show considerable improvement so long as he's even a slightly below average to average OC. I personally do not care for the offense still. I can live with it but do I think there would and will be better options for our young high talented offense? Yes I do.
Overall I am glad Gus stuck around because there really was no great options to replace him this offseason unless one of the lesser known hires turns out to be a good one. Hue Jackson was my personal favorite and the one that I am disappointed we missed out on.
Quote:Nobody knows what transpired behind the scenes during the season between Bradley and his coordinators.
..... It'll be interesting to see if Wash is able to clean up the problems on defense. No doubt, he's going to get back a couple of critical pieces, and the team intends to invest heavily in new toys for him to work with, so if he can't turn it around, he'll be following Gus and the rest of the staff out the door at the end of the season. It's sink or swim for the entire lot of them.
Do you think that Gus was continuously talking to Babich about these things? I mean....everybody saw them...how could he not? And step in before the season was over? Think Gus has learned a lesson about letting friends allow subpar performances on the team?
I do totally agree with what you said.....I like Wash, I like what I'm hearing about where the Jags are going.......and I do HOPE...we're swimming next year.
Quote:They are putting a lot of pressure on a kid coming off an acl injury who's never played a down. They missed on luke and he was 2nd overall. If Dave is smart he will get a proven pass rusher in free agency
It's hard to imagine a scenario in which they don't sign a FA pass rusher AND draft one before the 4th round IMO.
Fowler will have help.
Quote:You're a lost cause on this topic. Have a good day, sir.
Yeah, he's terrble. Unable to take a side in anything. He's the quintessential fence-sitter. That way, when something goes down, he can jump on the side and say "I agree with this, and always have." The worst kind of person.
Quote:It's hard to imagine a scenario in which they don't sign a FA pass rusher AND draft one before the 4th round IMO.
Fowler will have help.
We may not be able to sign a DE in FA, but I am sure Dave Caldwell will try his best to do it. There also is a chance we draft a pass rusher in the first round.
Quote:I like the fact that he's admitting there was an issue with attention to detail across the board. Players took bad angles, didn't align properly, didn't understand their situational assignments. He said there's no gray area here. They're going to work with these players to make sure they understand their role. They will line up where they're supposed to, and they will execute with precision. Otherwise, they'll be held accountable. Sounds like if we see some of the boneheaded plays in 2016 that were a trademark for this defense in 2015, the hammer will come down quickly.
I AM ALL FOR THIS........
Quote:What exactly is the position Fowler will play??
HE WILL ATTACK THE QB FROM EVERY POSITION ON THE D LINE
I'm unsure how to think of this statement. It could have two very divergent meanings. First it could mean that Fowler is very versatile and moving him around can be used to force the offense to focus their blocking attention to areas the defensive coaching staff wants the offense to be focused. The other quite possible meaning is that Fowler is what a lot of posters here feared, not a transcendental talent as a pass rusher and the Jaguars just drafted another Andre Branch and they'll need to try to scheme up a pass rush from him in order to justify his lofty draft position.
The first possibility is excellent, but I kind of can't see it being the case, and could actually work quite against him, trying to make him learn more than just putting his hand on the ground and working on his moves to get around the tackle. The second possibility is the more likely, Wash just doesn't believe in his abilities as a impact player and already is thinking ahead to how he's going to try to make chicken salad out of what he's been handed on the roster.
Quote:I'm unsure how to think of this statement. It could have two very divergent meanings. First it could mean that Fowler is very versatile and moving him around can be used to force the offense to focus their blocking attention to areas the defensive coaching staff wants the offense to be focused. The other quite possible meaning is that Fowler is what a lot of posters here feared, not a transcendental talent as a pass rusher and the Jaguars just drafted another Andre Branch and they'll need to try to scheme up a pass rush from him in order to justify his lofty draft position.
The first possibility is excellent, but I kind of can't see it being the case, and could actually work quite against him, trying to make him learn more than just putting his hand on the ground and working on his moves to get around the tackle. The second possibility is the more likely, Wash just doesn't believe in his abilities as a impact player and already is thinking ahead to how he's going to try to make chicken salad out of what he's been handed on the roster.
So you've decided it's for one of two reasons, and opted for the worse of the two for no reason at all.
Makes perfect sense.
Quote:So you've decided it's for one of two reasons, and opted for the worse of the two for no reason at all.
Makes perfect sense.
No, I'm pointing out the possibilities and stating the one I think is more likely. I'll elaborate, the thing every defensive coordinator desires the most is a pass rusher that always delivers pressure, play in an play out, without needing to scheme it up. Defensive coordinators want guys they can count on to win against the other team's best blocker. Its likely that if he thought Fowler were capable of that level of impact he'd want to use him in that manner.
Take it for what you will. Just try not to get all emotional about it, my appraisal isn't.
Quote:I'm unsure how to think of this statement. It could have two very divergent meanings. First it could mean that Fowler is very versatile and moving him around can be used to force the offense to focus their blocking attention to areas the defensive coaching staff wants the offense to be focused. The other quite possible meaning is that Fowler is what a lot of posters here feared, not a transcendental talent as a pass rusher and the Jaguars just drafted another Andre Branch and they'll need to try to scheme up a pass rush from him in order to justify his lofty draft position.
The first possibility is excellent, but I kind of can't see it being the case, and could actually work quite against him, trying to make him learn more than just putting his hand on the ground and working on his moves to get around the tackle. The second possibility is the more likely, Wash just doesn't believe in his abilities as a impact player and already is thinking ahead to how he's going to try to make chicken salad out of what he's been handed on the roster.
You're overthinking it. Are Michael Bennett, Jabaal Sheard, Justin Houston, Khalil Mack, and JJ Watt Andre Branches because they are moved around? Andre Branch could not generate pressure regardless of where they put him.
Quote:No, I'm pointing out the possibilities and stating the one I think is more likely. I'll elaborate, the thing every defensive coordinator desires the most is a pass rusher that always delivers pressure, play in an play out, without needing to scheme it up. Defensive coordinators want guys they can count on to win against the other team's best blocker. Its likely that if he thought Fowler were capable of that level of impact he'd want to use him in that manner.
Take it for what you will. Just try not to get all emotional about it, my appraisal isn't.
Defensive coordinators also like guys they can move around like a chess piece to exploit mismatches on the offensive line.
Quote:Defensive coordinators also like guys they can move around like a chess piece to exploit mismatches on the offensive line.
I'd like to add to this post that this kind of mismatching is absolutely necessary to beat a top 10 QB in this league. I didn't see enough of this with Babich.
Quote:You're overthinking it. Are Michael Bennett, Jabaal Sheard, Justin Houston, Khalil Mack, and JJ Watt Andre Branches because they are moved around? Andre Branch could not generate pressure regardless of where they put him.
Branch has to be schemed into a sack, Which is fine but you also have to understand that doesn't make an elite player. Chris Smith is another one. I noticed a huge difference between Year 1 of Bradley's defense and last year in this regard. The backups made a ton of plays in Year 1 thanks to the dominant performance of the interior. They could scheme sacks. That was my hope once we got Marks back from injury next year.
With that said, I would not at ALL be unhappy with a top DT in the first round this year. Though the most optimal thing would be a Top tier F/A DT and get Ramsey in the first round.
Anyone who watched Dante Fowler play at Florida knows why he will move around in Jacksonville: that is what he does. He played with his hand up. He played with his hand down. He played on the left side. He played on the right side. Why would anyone not think Fowler is versatile after seeing him line up at OLB and DE on both sides of the defense?
Quote:You're overthinking it. Are Michael Bennett, Jabaal Sheard, Justin Houston, Khalil Mack, and JJ Watt Andre Branches because they are moved around? Andre Branch could not generate pressure regardless of where they put him.
I was going to say pretty much the same thing. Thanks for saving me the time.
Quote:No, I'm pointing out the possibilities and stating the one I think is more likely. I'll elaborate, the thing every defensive coordinator desires the most is a pass rusher that always delivers pressure, play in an play out, without needing to scheme it up. Defensive coordinators want guys they can count on to win against the other team's best blocker. Its likely that if he thought Fowler were capable of that level of impact he'd want to use him in that manner.
Take it for what you will. Just try not to get all emotional about it, my appraisal isn't.
Looking at my two sentence response, and the above. I'm assuming you're apologizing for getting 'emotional'.
No problem.
Quote:Looking at my two sentence response, and the above. I'm assuming you're apologizing for getting 'emotional'.
No problem.
Assuming, yes, that's fitting.
As for the things about guys that move around a lot, sure, there's a possibility that Fowler turns out like those guys, the odds aren't in his favor but it's possible.
Quote:HE WILL ATTACK THE QB FROM EVERY POSITION ON THE D LINE
Thats his job! What position will he line up?