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Quote:6-10 to 9-7. Tell me, who was his QB that he won 9 games with?

Exactly. This fan base would kill to have those records.

Quote:6-10 to 9-7. Tell me, who was his QB that he won 9 games with?

9-7 is barely a winning record and he had a top 4 defense.

Quote:9-7 is barely a winning record and he had a top 4 defense.

Lol

Right...and again Blake was sacked more than anyone.

Quote:6-10 to 9-7. Tell me, who was his QB that he won 9 games with?

 

If a coach can go from a losing record to a winning record the next season, doesn't that tell you something good about him?

 

We should all know Blake Bortles is better than every quarterback Doug Marrone coached in Buffalo.

Quote:Any predictions on what team Doug Marrone works at next season? I hope it is not Tennessee.

He will not be a head coach in the NFL again.

Quote:He will not be a head coach in the NFL again.

I beg to differ.

Quote:9-7 is barely a winning record and he had a top 4 defense.

 

The defense improved considerably from his 1st year to 2nd.  Surprisingly the offense did not.  The defense also got considerably worse after he left.

 

His QBs that year were EJ Manuel and Kyle freaking Orton.

Quote:The defense improved considerably from his 1st year to 2nd.  Surprisingly the offense did not.  The defense also got considerably worse after he left.

 

His QBs that year were EJ Manuel and Kyle freaking Orton.

 

LOL and E,J. Manuel was the starter IIRC.

Quote:The defense improved considerably from his 1st year to 2nd. Surprisingly the offense did not. The defense also got considerably worse after he left.


His QBs that year were EJ Manuel and Kyle freaking Orton.

I'll ask again. If he's such a good coach then why was Blake the most sacked QB in the league?


And having a stud defense and good running game along with a stud WR can get you a 9-7 record.

Quote:LOL and E,J. Manuel was the starter IIRC.

Orton was the starter.

Quote:I'll ask again. If he's such a good coach then why was Blake the most sacked QB in the league?


And having a stud defense and good running game along with a stud WR can get you a 9-7 record.

Watkins? Or did they have another "stud" WR? He didn't hit 1000 yards.


The running game? 25th in the league.


Some of the sacks were Blake and his playing style. Some were because the left side of the line was below average. The last game Sam Young didn't help. Losing Linder and playing a rookie might have something to do with it too.

Quote:Watkins? Or did they have another "stud" WR? He didn't hit 1000 yards.


The running game? 25th in the league.


Some of the sacks were Blake and his playing style. Some were because the left side of the line was below average. The last game Sam Young didn't help. Losing Linder and playing a rookie might have something to do with it too.

 

It was also a 21 sack improvement from the year before without our best lineman for essentially the whole season.

Quote:Watkins? Or did they have another "stud" WR? He didn't hit 1000 yards.


The running game? 25th in the league.


Some of the sacks were Blake and his playing style. Some were because the left side of the line was below average. The last game Sam Young didn't help. Losing Linder and playing a rookie might have something to do with it too.

Well if Marrone gets credit for a winning record with a bad QB then you can't blame Watkins for not reaching 1000 yards or their run game not putting up tons of yards.


Yes those are factors but how does that show off his coaching ability? Being last doesn't really show anything at all.


I'm not saying he's the worst coach ever or anything but so far his sample size is pretty miniscule and I'm not sure how anyone can think he's a great coach. All the former Bills players hate the guy too

Quote:I'll ask again. If he's such a good coach then why was Blake the most sacked QB in the league?


And having a stud defense and good running game along with a stud WR can get you a 9-7 record.

 

1. A person could be the world's worst OL coach and it wouldn't matter if he were a great head coach. Marrone is being interviewed based on his record with Buffalo, not the OL of the Jags.

 

2. He gets no credit for the stud defense and the good running game? If nothing else he did a better job of picking coordinators than Rex Ryan (and WAY better than Gus Bradley).

 

Quote: All the former Bills players hate the guy too

 

Because he left. They wanted him to stay.

Interesting how Marrone is praised for going 9-7, yet Mularkey is berated for doing the exact same thing for the exact same franchise.  The icing on the cake being, neither did as much here as they did there.

Quote:Interesting how Marrone is praised for going 9-7, yet Mularkey is berated for doing the exact same thing for the exact same franchise. The icing on the cake being, neither did as much here as they did there.

I'm not sure what this has to do with this but I don't think I berated Mularkey for that.


I think Mularkey is a better coach than what we have currently.

Quote:I'm not sure what this has to do with this but I don't think I berated Mularkey for that.


I think Mularkey is a better coach than what we have currently.

 

Comments weren't aimed at you.  Just an observation after hearing commentary on Maronne's Bills record.  I don't think either is bad, but consensus (unscientific, just my opinion) seems that one is considered opposite the other.

 

The greater point being... I don't see how we can determine which is the worse anchor to the team's success - is it deficient coaching or deficient talent?  Maybe both?

 

I personally don't think we've got enough talent yet for any coaching change to have a significant difference on the record.  Again, which is frustrating to everyone.  Maybe it's that we're on the right path, but it's hard to see because of how flipping long it's taken to get here already and still don't have much to show.

Quote:This is brought up also in the culture thread.................coaches are starting to lose control of their locker rooms by the actions of a few players.


I hate to use my Pats as an example, but screw up with Coach B and you are toast, he has no second thoughts when it comes to cutting the cancer out. This doesn't work everywhere any more and I am beginning to think the days of the old school disciplinarian type coach are fading away. Outspoken players are getting their 15 minutes more and more!

 

  Current Jaguars RB Jonas Gray immediately comes to mind after reading your thoughts.   Even with a 4 TD/ 199 yard rushing game in Indianapolis,  Gray never got out of Bill Belichick's doghouse after he overslept a few days later.    I think that got the attention of everyone on the Patriots roster,  from Tom Brady to the last addition on the Practice Squad.  

Quote:The greater point being... I don't see how we can determine which is the worse anchor to the team's success - is it deficient coaching or deficient talent?  Maybe both?

 

I personally don't think we've got enough talent yet for any coaching change to have a significant difference on the record.  Again, which is frustrating to everyone.  Maybe it's that we're on the right path, but it's hard to see because of how flipping long it's taken to get here already and still don't have much to show.

 

When you see a coaching staff that keep running the same failed defense play after play, week after week, it doesn't take a rocket scientist (or a football professional) to know that there's a problem with coaching.


 

No doubt the talent is also a factor, but plenty of defenses with less talent and more injuries to their starters got better results. Do you really think the Jags defensive personnel was worse than the Ravens? The Bears? The Eagles?


 

As far as Bradley vs. Babich, either Bradley had a hand in the defense, or he should have after seeing how bad it was. There was also the decision to demote House after he was beaten in single coverage by the only good receiver on Houston. Babich needed to go, but Bradley was also largely at fault.