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Quote:If you think this roster could be competing for home field advantage right now then you are completely delusional.

 

We have a patty cake schedule and the NFL is average across the board.  So yeah that isn't delusional.

Quote:We have a patty cake schedule and the NFL is average across the board.  So yeah that isn't delusional.

Our best players are in only their second seasons and we still have major holes in this roster. We have two maybe three players that deserve to be even in the conversation to got to the pro bowl.To think we match up favorably against even these "average" NFL rosters is silly.

 

This is the NFL not college. There is no such thing as a patty cake schedule. Only your top tier teams can beat the lesser teams on a consistent basis and we are far from a top tier team right now.

Quote:That pretty much sums it up. The irony here is that knowing we don't have the talent to run the 'seattle type' zone defense, after almost three seasons the coach is still sticking to it! 

 

I've brought it up before how Pete Carroll designed his scheme based on his players, and that running the scheme without the players is a mistake. HOWEVER...

 

Once we decided that we were going to build the scheme and fit players around it, then it falls on the GM to find the players for that scheme. As been stated many times, there are multiple ways to build a winning team. For decades, the Steelers built around their 3-4 scheme. Year in and year out, they let go of Pro-Bowl caliber linebackers and replace them with future pro-bowler OLBs.

Quote:In fairness , we could post several clips where Odrick literally doesn't do anything (sometimes just stands there )on many plays.

So post them? You brought up this play as a sign of our players giving up and blaming it on the coach. You got called on it since just about everyone, including a DL who doesn't even have a chance to make a play on the runner, was hustling.

Quote:I have faith in Caldwell to gather the talent necessary to get this defense on track for next year. But as it stands right now, you're right, we are absolute trash talent wise. Apart from Telvin, House, and Odrick, everyone else is average to below average at best. Gratz is atrocious, and a potato could provide more pass rush than Clemons and Branch. I think this defense would look a lot different if Caldwell had been able to land McCourty and the injuries to Marks and Fowler hadn't occurred. In other words, I think what Caldwell's original view for the defense  in 2015 didn't come to pass, and it has showed in a bad way.

 

Eh I've always questioned this "view", and I think, much like when he built this team "from scratch", I think Caldwell was once again over confident in his own evaluation.

 

Many of us had concerns that Marks wouldn't be ready. Did we do anything to address the interior line? No, DC was satisfied running with Abry Jones and Ziggy Hood.

 

Pass rush was a concern. Other than adding Fowler, did we do anything to address this position? No. DC was satisfied with the return of Branch. Keep in mind that most rookie DEs, even great ones like Allen, JPP, Watt don't provide immediate impact as a rookie.

 

Linebacker was a concern. Other than adding Skuta, did we do anything here? Nope. So while we had solid starters, the depth was clearly lacking. And whenever Poz got hurt, and Skuta got hurt, the dropoff was significant.

 

Would it look different had we landed McCourty? Yeah, for sure. That FS remains a hole. But keep in mind that the money that was to go to McCourty went to House and Skuta. Which means while we would have had McCourty...we'd have bigger holes at LB and....*gasp* Gratz at CB.

Normal jobs you don't perform your fired. Well let the firing begin. We are not the Seahawks, inwhich am tired of hearing. You have garbage for a coaching staff, you get garbage on the field and it shows. Now we have to rebuild the D line and coaching staff AGAIN! 2018 We should be competitive for the divsion and in the playoffs.

Quote:Would it look different had we landed McCourty? Yeah, for sure. That FS remains a hole. But keep in mind that the money that was to go to McCourty went to House and Skuta. Which means while we would have had McCourty...we'd have bigger holes at LB and....*gasp* Gratz at CB.

Signing McCourty wasn't exclusive of signing House and Skuta. We are currently sitting on the most caps space in the NFL. We could have signed all three and still had a ton of space left over.

Quote:Signing McCourty wasn't exclusive of signing House and Skuta. We are currently sitting on the most caps space in the NFL. We could have signed all three and still had a ton of space left over.

 

DC was on the record as saying that they went after House since they missed on McCourty.

 

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Quote:If you think this roster could be competing for home field advantage right now then you are completely delusional.

 

Well...  You have to understand my point of view.  Maybe you disagree...  But, I don't think it's delusional.

 

We're 4-7 right now.  In October we had a 3 game stretch against teams that were playing very poorly and were set up for us to take advantage of.  Those 3 games were the clots, bucs, and tinhorns.  All 3 of those teams were, at the moment we were playing them, on the ropes.  The clots just went to thier 40 year old QB, had a suspect offensive line, and were primed to be taken out.  Jamis Winston, when we played them, was a turn over machine and the bucs were struggling.  And the tinhorns, if you remember, in October were very inconsistent, and looked mediocre at best.  

 

In my opinion, one which I've been stating for a while now, those 3 games were our playoffs.  Having lost all 3 really ended our season (in my opinion).  Better coaching, better adjustments, and a better kicker would have won us those 3 games. 

 

On top of that, we should have just beat the tacks...   And again, a better head coach get's us past either the jets or the chargers...  

 

That's 8 or 9 wins right there...

 

Dolphins, clots, bucs, tinhorns, bills, ravens, jets, tacks, tacks...  All games that were winnable.  All games that, in my opinion, a better coach and better kicker would have helped us get the win.

 

Is that delusional?  I don't think so

Quote:Well...  You have to understand my point of view.  Maybe you disagree...  But, I don't think it's delusional.

 

We're 4-7 right now.  In October we had a 3 game stretch against teams that were playing very poorly and were set up for us to take advantage of.  Those 3 games were the clots, bucs, and tinhorns.  All 3 of those teams were, at the moment we were playing them, on the ropes.  The clots just went to thier 40 year old QB, had a suspect offensive line, and were primed to be taken out.  Jamis Winston, when we played them, was a turn over machine and the bucs were struggling.  And the tinhorns, if you remember, in October were very inconsistent, and looked mediocre at best.  

 

In my opinion, one which I've been stating for a while now, those 3 games were our playoffs.  Having lost all 3 really ended our season (in my opinion).  Better coaching, better adjustments, and a better kicker would have won us those 3 games. 

 

On top of that, we should have just beat the tacks...   And again, a better head coach get's us past either the jets or the chargers...  

 

That's 8 or 9 wins right there...

 

Dolphins, clots, bucs, tinhorns, bills, ravens, jets, tacks, tacks...  All games that were winnable.  All games that, in my opinion, a better coach and better kicker would have helped us get the win.

 

Is that delusional?  I don't think so

 

Everything you just said sums up exactly why this has been as disappointing a season as the Jags have had in quite a while.

 

Had all those teams been at full strength, or close to it, when the Jags played them, then sitting here at 4-8 would be a lot more understandable, but they weren't.

 

The Jags had so many great opportunities to really make some noise after catching so many breaks this season, yet here they are with just 4 wins, the same number of wins Gus had in his first year here with by far a worse team.

 

I sure hope he can find another win or 2 to finish out this season, because finishing this season with the same 4-12 record as that same horrible team from 2013 is just unacceptable to me.

Quote:Its a bad coach. He is terrible and is in way over his head. If Khan does not fire Gus after the season then i would lose all faith in him.

Really? On what inside knowledge are you able to evaluate the defensive roster with hundreds of practices and interactions with the players to determine our defense has amazing potential but they're just not being coached correctly?


You make tackles or you don't.


You can get to the QB or you can't. These are things these players have been doing since childhood. It's an asinine statement to think they're not good because they're not being coached up? No, it's a lack or talent, especially on the D-line. Give a guy crap, he's gonna make a crap sandwich.


Your rants are annoying and based on five year old emotions.

Quote:Our best players are in only their second seasons and we still have major holes in this roster. We have two maybe three players that deserve to be even in the conversation to got to the pro bowl.To think we match up favorably against even these "average" NFL rosters is silly.


This is the NFL not college. There is no such thing as a patty cake schedule. Only your top tier teams can beat the lesser teams on a consistent basis and we are far from a top tier team right now.

No, you are mistaken. We have 11 pro-bowl players on defense. They're just not being taught how to tackle correctly.

I bet he didn't try the Heath bar chunks + crushed Oreos topping though.

Quote:No, you are mistaken. We have 11 pro-bowl players on defense. They're just not being taught how to tackle correctly.

 

"being taught to tackle.." coaches in the NFL should not have to teach their players how to tackle. This should have happened long before the NFL. If they can't tackle, they wouldn't have been drafted to begin with. They know how to, they just get lazy and many of them want the "big hit" for sportscenter.

Quote:"being taught to tackle.." coaches in the NFL should not have to teach their players how to tackle. This should have happened long before the NFL. If they can't tackle, they wouldn't have been drafted to begin with. They know how to, they just get lazy and many of them want the "big hit" for sportscenter.

 

 

I think this is a simplified way to look at it.  Not saying your statement doesn't have merit, but I think the major issue is that with the CBA; they can't practice any more.  I think it's an epidemic that's just going to get worse as time goes on.  I also think it manifests itself more in undisciplined teams, which the Jaguars obviously are.

Gus tried everything, but in the end, his defense allowed Marcus Mariota to be the first player in NFL history with 250+ pass yds, 100+ rush yds & 3 TD passes in a game. A rookie nonetheless.

Quote:"being taught to tackle.." coaches in the NFL should not have to teach their players how to tackle. This should have happened long before the NFL. If they can't tackle, they wouldn't have been drafted to begin with. They know how to, they just get lazy and many of them want the "big hit" for sportscenter.

What do you think coaches do? I'm just curious.

Quote:Well...  You have to understand my point of view.  Maybe you disagree...  But, I don't think it's delusional.

 

We're 4-7 right now.  In October we had a 3 game stretch against teams that were playing very poorly and were set up for us to take advantage of.  Those 3 games were the clots, bucs, and tinhorns.  All 3 of those teams were, at the moment we were playing them, on the ropes.  The clots just went to thier 40 year old QB, had a suspect offensive line, and were primed to be taken out.  Jamis Winston, when we played them, was a turn over machine and the bucs were struggling.  And the tinhorns, if you remember, in October were very inconsistent, and looked mediocre at best.  

 

In my opinion, one which I've been stating for a while now, those 3 games were our playoffs.  Having lost all 3 really ended our season (in my opinion).  Better coaching, better adjustments, and a better kicker would have won us those 3 games. 

 

On top of that, we should have just beat the tacks...   And again, a better head coach get's us past either the jets or the chargers...  

 

That's 8 or 9 wins right there...

 

Dolphins, clots, bucs, tinhorns, bills, ravens, jets, tacks, tacks...  All games that were winnable.  All games that, in my opinion, a better coach and better kicker would have helped us get the win.

 

Is that delusional?  I don't think so

 

The Panthers game was eminently winnable. There's no reason that they played as poorly as the did in week 1 except that the Gus Bus wasn't ready to go.

 

They aren't just losing close games, they are losing close games to second stringers and rookies. The can't compete with any veteran team that is at full strength.

 

#firegus

This will be known as the season the Jags blew.

Pure and simple.

Anchorman said it all.......so many things just fell in their lap and they found

ways to consistently not take advantage and lose winnable games.

 

Don't think for a second other teams don't take advantage of our injuries and short comings.

It's sickening that we can score over 30 points and still lose games.

"We tried everything"..... And couldn't stop a QB from running 87 yards.



Gus Bradley is a terrible coach. Khan is a fraud for keeping him.