Quote:Lame you could do that on several plays in most games (find official errors and claim that it cost them the game) this is just another way to disrespect the Jaguars after a win.
Not lame at all when the NFL admits officials screwed up. This was actually a game clock error. Either Adam or Mort talked about it during ESPN's halftime show.
Quote:Miss Jag, with all due respect, I don't like you. You seem to just repeat whatever you hear on tv and make it seem like it's your own opinion. You didn't start this thread. You said so yourself. And it's not apples and oranges. It's the same thing. The NFL says the refs messed up on that play and all he is saying is that they messed up in those other plays and they didn't acknowledge those plays. Imo the nfl can suck it, yeah they messed up but karma is for real. Go jags
Dude....really? You oughta learn a little bit about your fellow posters before you do that.
Quote:ARTICLE 6. COMPLETE STOP. All offensive players are required to come to a complete stop and be in a set position simultaneously for at least one second prior to the snap.
The only exception is one player in motion, where everyone else has to be stationary.
ARTICLE 7. ILLEGAL MOTION. When the ball is snapped, one player who is lined up in the backfield may be in motion, provided that he is moving parallel to or away from the line of scrimmage. No player is permitted to be moving toward the line of scrimmage when the ball is snapped. All other players must be stationary in their positions.
ARTICLE 8. SHIFTS. The offensive team is permitted to shift and have two or more players in motion multiple times before the snap. However, after the last shift, all players must come to a complete stop and be in a set position simultaneously for at least one second.
http://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/2015-nfl-rulebook/
You're right about the one second rule, I looked that up after making that post. The story I read said "the offensive line was not set prior to the snap" which they clearly were on the replay. So what the NFL should have said was "the offensive line was not set for the required one second before the snap". Anyway it doesn't matter, the games in the "W" column and we've had more than our share of calls go against us this year.
Fine... we acknowledge that it was a really ugly game and that we won with the help of some luck... as does practically every winning team in the NFL. Having said that however, it also seems that the ravens were guilty of numerous penalties that didn't get called so one could make the argument that tossing out those penalties that 'fate' would nevertheless have the Jags as the winners. There is also this... if the ravens were truly 'in control' of that game as many of them claim they were, then a single penalty at the end of the game wouldn't have had the game changing impact that it did.
Bottom line... if the ravens were any good this season then this game wouldn't have been that close to begin with. The ravens lost; they are a bad team this year. There's a reason why they're 2-7.... get over it.
Quote:Fine... we acknowledge that it was a really ugly game and that we won with the help of some luck... as does practically every winning team in the NFL. Having said that however, it also seems that the ravens were guilty of numerous penalties that didn't get called so one could make the argument that tossing out those penalties that 'fate' would nevertheless have the Jags as the winners. There is also this... if the ravens were truly 'in control' of that game as many of them claim they were, then a single penalty at the end of the game wouldn't have had the game changing impact that it did.
Bottom line... if the ravens were any good this season then this game wouldn't have been that close to begin with. The ravens lost; they are a bad team this year. There's a reason why they're 2-7.... get over it.
Surely the Ravens didn't say they were "in control" of this game while the Jags were leading 19-14 with just a few minutes left in the game, did they?
Quote:You think the NFL cares? Do you Think they found this themselves? No way.
The scary thing is coaches like Harbaugh cry after the game, make a few phone calls after reviewing tape, and get
an official NFL announcment the Little Jim is not to be blamed for this loss. He is taking heat for losing to lowly Jacksonville.
That is some power and I wish we had it. If they won't give it to us, that same respect and bowing, then Gus needs to drop
the negotiating dance he does during games and get in some Ref's ears and let them know they are
one foot short of a dung pile.
Yeah, you are right, he is taking a lot of heat for losing to Gus and the lowly Jags.
It can't be pretty right now in crabville.
I did go over to their MBs and their fans sure are upset about the loss.
I haven't been over their since this "Jags should NOT have won crap though. Maybe i will later on just to enjoy this Jags win a litle bit more.
Quote:Surely the Ravens didn't say they were "in control" of this game while the Jags were leading 19-14 with just a few minutes left in the game, did they?
Bingo!!! I was gonna write the same thing, but got lazy.
I always felt like the refs are just waiting to the Jags to commit a penalty in each game. Like we're some ex-con that you can always count on violating probation
Quote:Our win at Baltimore comes with a big asterick: It only happened because of an officiating error. NFL spokesperson Michael Signora told Marc Sessler not all 11 offensive players were set at the snap so we were supposed to be flagged for a false start. That would have ended the game before Elvis Dumervil could get to Blake Bortles.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...ay-vs-jags
Asterick is not a word....
they are only saying that cause its Jacksonville Jaguars. any other team if it was a mised call like that no one would say a word. NFL hates it when Jags win.
To me I think the refs let the play go on to see if the game could end exciting. They just let the players play. They got the snap off before the time ended and no one could have predicted the blatant facemask. It was nice to see the refs let the players control the outcome of the game, just so happens Elvis became our mvp for it!
The officiating was horrible, as usual. why is this news? Singling out one bad call means nothing. You want to correct that call? Then lets go back and correct all the calls.
Quote:Yeah I saw that. I think the NFL is full of it. I watched that play several times on my DVR now and the OL was definitely set. It was really just a boom boom kind of play but unless I understand the rule wrong, they don't have to have their hands down.
If you can re-watch, say "set" when the line sets and "hike" immediately and you'll see what I mean. They were set.
They showed the clip during Sunday Night Football, and the center's arm were clearly moving as Joekel was still in the process of getting himself set. It was so close that maybe you couldn't even tell with the pause or something, but watching that clip there's no way he was set. The thing is, this happens ALL THE TIME. I can't count how many times I've seen refs miss something that close. So no, we're not giving them this game. Besides, the refs missed a BLATANT defensive holding call in the game when Flacco had his big run where a call there might have saved four points. So screw them.
Too funny how quickly this story broke...
Quote:Dude....really? You oughta learn a little bit about your fellow posters before you do that.
Seriously. I form my own opinions based on what I see, but for some reason that goes over Gator's head because of other comments.
Some people totally misinterpret my POV because their brains are wired differently.
Quote:Asterick is not a word....
One weird thing on this board is no matter how you spell it, you get a red line under the text. The administrators have to fix that.
Actually I could go on about a lot of words getting redlined when they shouldn't be.
Quote:ARTICLE 6. COMPLETE STOP. All offensive players are required to come to a complete stop and be in a set position simultaneously for at least one second prior to the snap.
The only exception is one player in motion, where everyone else has to be stationary.
ARTICLE 7. ILLEGAL MOTION. When the ball is snapped, one player who is lined up in the backfield may be in motion, provided that he is moving parallel to or away from the line of scrimmage. No player is permitted to be moving toward the line of scrimmage when the ball is snapped. All other players must be stationary in their positions.
ARTICLE 8. SHIFTS. The offensive team is permitted to shift and have two or more players in motion multiple times before the snap. However, after the last shift, all players must come to a complete stop and be in a set position simultaneously for at least one second.
http://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/2015-nfl-rulebook/
The application of this rule is disturbing, as you can have a scenario where like in this game, you have time to line up and snap the ball, but not enough time to get "set" for a full second.
In effect if there is a moving clock and a second is left, then even though you have time to line up and get the snap off, you effectively have less than that second if the OL has to be set for at least one second.
The NFL is essentially saying it takes a minimum of 1.1 seconds for a 1 second snap. For a team trying to make a last second play, a sixty minute game becomes a 59:59.9 second game.
I don't see how they can definitively make that determination when NFL clocks do not measure tenths of seconds.
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I don't see how they can definitively make that determination when NFL clocks do not measure tenths of seconds.
they can't which is why it is a judgement call by the refs...
and is why sometimes it is and sometimes it isn't called
Quote:The application of this rule is disturbing, as you can have a scenario where like in this game, you have time to line up and snap the ball, but not enough time to get "set" for a full second.
In effect if there is a moving clock and a second is left, then even though you have time to line up and get the snap off, you effectively have less than that second if the OL has to be set for at least one second.
The NFL is essentially saying it takes a minimum of 1.1 seconds for a 1 second snap. For a team trying to make a last second play, a sixty minute game becomes a 59:59.9 second game.
I don't see how they can definitively make that determination when NFL clocks do not measure tenths of seconds.
Your logic is impeccable.
I've seen many games with a rush to a last-second snap.
I've seen time expire before the ball is snapped.
I have never once heard that this strict and specific interpretation of being still for one second applies.
It's malarkey.