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Quote:Im sure if Scobee had all training camp to kick there he wouldn't have any problems.

 

Scobee's had problems for two years now. In multiple stadiums. 

Quote:Do you have eyes?

 

Talking about trading a 6th rounder for him after last season's "tank job."  I don't blame them for moving on with how he did there.

Mike DiRocco ESPN Staff Writer 
<p style="font-family:BentonSans, '-apple-system', Roboto, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(102,102,102);">Jaguars worked out kickers Zach Hocker and Randy Bullock today. Hocker formerly with New Orleans and Bullock formerly with Houston. No word yet on if team has decided to sign either one.

Quote:Scobee's had problems for two years now. In multiple stadiums. 

 

Three missed field goals and three blocked are problems?  Most teams in the NFL would love to have those problems.  Some people have become so spoiled by how well he did the previous three seasons.

Quote:Can't wait until Myers joins Seth Marler and Hayden Epstein on the bum kicker scrap heap.

 

If you look closely you can see the remnants of Scott Sisson in there.

Quote:Three missed field goals and three blocked are problems?  Most teams in the NFL would love to have those problems.  Some people have become so spoiled by how well he did the previous three seasons.

The ball consistently coming out much lower was well documented and plain to see.  It was the beginning of the end for Scobee and his performance in Pittsburgh proved it. 

It's unfortunate and he was a favorite of mine, but he was clearly declining. 

Quote:If you look closely you can see the remnants of Scott Sisson in there.

 

I think there is a little Danny Boyd, Jim Tarle and Richie Cunningham in there.

Quote:The ball consistently coming out much lower was well documented and plain to see.  It was the beginning of the end for Scobee and his performance in Pittsburgh proved it. 

It's unfortunate and he was a favorite of mine, but he was clearly declining. 

 

So he suddenly no longer has the leg to kick in the NFL?  His leg is still stronger than probably 70% of the kickers out there.  One of his kicks was blocked from 30 yards out, so his leg is too weak suddenly to kick 30 yarders?  And getting blocked from 55 is clearly a rare occurence as most NFL kickers will kick those into the top row.  Come on now...  

 

The man missed only 2 field goals the season before with one being blocked.  He was 4/5 on 50+ yard field goals and had a 55 yarder.  There were no injuries and he just suddenly lost the ability to kick in less than 6 months?

 

You ask a kicker to make difficult kicks because he has a strong leg and then when a few get blocked we're going to pretend that he doesn't have the leg to be a good kicker anymore.  Makes sense.

Quote:So he suddenly no longer has the leg to kick in the NFL?  His leg is still stronger than probably 70% of the kickers out there.  One of his kicks was blocked from 30 yards out, so his leg is too weak suddenly to kick 30 yarders?  And getting blocked from 55 is clearly a rare occurence as most NFL kickers will kick those into the top row.  Come on now...  

 

The man missed only 2 field goals the season before with one being blocked.  He was 4/5 on 50+ yard field goals and had a 55 yarder.  There were no injuries and he just suddenly lost the ability to kick in less than 6 months?

 

You ask a kicker to make difficult kicks because he has a strong leg and then when a few get blocked we're going to pretend that he doesn't have the leg to be a good kicker anymore.  Makes sense.

 

Strength not the issue. Accuracy either. It was trajectory. It's why the Eagles blocked that 36 yard attempt of his and I'm sorry you didn't see it.

 I did.

 

It seemed he was striking the ball closer to the middle than he used to and the ball wasn't clearing the defenders at the L.O.S. as it should.  

Why does it shock some people that Scobee wasn't one of them? He was in the bottom two or three of kickers last season, and the trend only continued this season.

Quote:Strength not the issue. Accuracy either. It was trajectory. It's why the Eagles blocked that 36 yard attempt of his and I'm sorry you didn't see it.

 I did.

 

It seemed he was striking the ball closer to the middle than he used to and the ball wasn't clearing the defenders at the L.O.S. as it should.  

 

You can see that can you?  The foot placement on the ball?  Can you lend me your high speed video cameras so I can see that too?

Quote:Why does it shock some people that Scobee wasn't one of them? He was in the bottom two or three of kickers last season, and the trend only continued this season.

 

He also had the 2nd fewest gimme field goal attempts under 30 yards and by a wide margin at 3.  Janikowski had 2.  Most kickers get 10+.

Quote:You can see that can you?  The foot placement on the ball?  Can you lend me your high speed video cameras so I can see that too?

LOL. I read more than one article about it when it happened and Bradley even discussed it in a presser.  And yes, I did see a slow motion breakdown of it. Can't remember who produced it, but I think it was in Lageman's film segment as well. I'm not making this junk up, man. Sorry you don't believe me. 

 

Go read a half dozen scouting reports on kickers. The good ones all have the same praise. "strikes ball low" "quick elevation"  I'm not selling you snake oil. This is a real problem.

Quote:LOL. I read more than one article about it when it happened and Bradley even discussed it in a presser.  And yes, I did see a slow motion breakdown of it. Can't remember who produced it, but I think it was in Lageman's film segment as well. I'm not making this junk up, man. Sorry you don't believe me. 

 

Go read a half dozen scouting reports on kickers. The good ones all have the same praise. "strikes ball low" "quick elevation"  I'm not selling you snake oil. This is a real problem.

 

I'm not buying that its as big of a problem as everyone has been making it out to be.  But lets say it is.  Is that something that Scobee can't correct?  Foot placement?  So if it's not a physical problem, then its a sudden technical one that isn't correctable to the season before?

 

I'm not buying that a career top 10 kicker is suddenly done at the age of 33.  What I am buying is that a younger, cheaper kicker had a hot streak in camp and Scobee suffered a quadriceps injury and was traded away.  Scobee struggled in a difficult stadium to kick while playing through a quad injury in a quad that he has already torn before and missed half a season.  Now that he's been released, 3 teams have reached out to him, but he wants to heal his leg first before he does any further damage to his career.  That is what I am buying.  

 

Now it remains to be seen if the Jaguars would actually bring him back if healthy or they would refuse to admit the mistake.  I guess we'll never know... But I think Scobee would be more than willing to come back if given the opportunity.

#Jaguars did not sign either of the kickers that worked out today (Randy Bulloch, Zach Hocker).


Lol, looks like more crappy Myers. Does gus know what Accountability means?

If they weren't any good we aren't going to bring them in for no reason. There's still time to bring in other kickers if anyone else is on the radar

Bullock's career numbers: 61/76 for a FG percentage of 80.3, with a long of 55.  Hocker's short career: 9/13 for 69.2 percent with a long of 51.  Not even sure why Hocker was brought in. 

At this point all the quality, established kickers have been picked clean.  You have to either find an unknown kicker from obscurity, wait for Scobee to get healthy, or ride with Myers.

Quote:Yeah, because teams put in waiver claims and run to sign self-proclaimed injured kickers regularly in the NFL.  

No.  They just look at game tape.

Quote:I'm not buying that its as big of a problem as everyone has been making it out to be.  But lets say it is.  Is that something that Scobee can't correct?  Foot placement?  So if it's not a physical problem, then its a sudden technical one that isn't correctable to the season before? Apparently he couldn't correct it. They didn't just cut him after the three blocked kicks. He was around for a while. 


 

I'm not buying that a career top 10 kicker is suddenly done at the age of 33.  Why not?  He's on the wrong side of thirty - just got a huge pay day and loves to play golf. Maybe he wasn't putting in the work as much anymore. 
What I am buying is that a younger, cheaper kicker had a hot streak in camp and Scobee suffered a quadriceps injury and was traded away.  Scobee struggled in a difficult stadium to kick while playing through a quad injury in a quad that he has already torn before and missed half a season.  Now that he's been released, 3 teams have reached out to him, but he wants to heal his leg first before he does any further damage to his career.  That is what I am buying.  < That makes sense too. 


 

Now it remains to be seen if the Jaguars would actually bring him back if healthy or they would refuse to admit the mistake.  I guess we'll never know... But I think Scobee would be more than willing to come back if given the opportunity.

 

I believe they saw his trajectory issues as a bigger problem than you did, and I just happened to "buy" it. You didn't. That's fine.