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Quote:Gus said it was built

Being built doesn't mean it's a finished product...When he said that, I believe I remember it being said he was referring to the "core" of the team but I could be wrong

Quote:I would think competitive would mean having tighter closer games...Last year by halftime the game was over, this year we have still been in the game towards the end of the game...Look I'm not making any excuses or supporting Gus by any means, but this team is moving the ball much better than last year, still can't score enough, and the defense has disappeared...Last year we didn't have jack [BAD WORD REMOVED] for an offense, this year we can at least move the ball between the 20's lol...I think the spirit of the "being more competitive this year"  statement is intended to mean being in the game the whole game and not having the game result known at halftime... 

 

Let's not lose focus on who we were playing when we were "more competitive". 

Quote:To me, being more competitive means playing as hard as you can, and winning half of the game you play in.

when did being competitive give an exact number of wins? what if we had lost a few games 17-14, or 21-20, 10-7, would that not indicate that we were competitive?

Quote:Let's not lose focus on who we were playing when we were "more competitive". 

I hear ya...we struggle against bottom feeders, and I get that, but ya gotta start somewhere! I understand what you mean though

Quote:i doubt its ever resulted in a long term replacement

Jeff Fisher

Jason Garret

Marty Shottenheimer

Art Shell

Raymond Berry

Marv Levy

 

All took over around mid-season btw.

Quote:Jeff Fisher

Jason Garret

Marty Shottenheimer

Art Shell

Raymond Berry

Marv Levy

 

All took over around mid-season btw.

What is that... a list from 1982?

Quote:What is that... a list from 1982?

Lol ok, what year would fit your requirements? They are also some of the best coaches in history, with 2 of them still coaching (good teams btw) and 1 leaving the league 8 years ago after a 12-4 record.

 

Badger said he doubted an interim head coach has ever lead to a permanent, successful position. I simply answered him with 6 coaches that have.

Quote:Lol ok, what year would fit your requirements? They are also some of the best coaches in history, with 2 of them still coaching (good teams btw) and 1 leaving the league 9 years ago after a 12-4 record.

Hey, not my requirements....

I was just commenting on the old [BLEEP] names on the list.

 

Garrett was a love fest for Jurrah. But yes there was one name.

Fisher took over as interim for the Oilers, waaay back when, was with them through the tack years, and eventually they moved on when his taste became stale.

He now has the Rams competing in much a similar fashion as his failed years in tackland. Strong D, strong running, not good enough offense, not enough wins.

 

The rest of that list is old guys. 

 

In today's NFL... you aren't given time. Especially when you're an interim guy.

Which was the point ol dude and I were making in our conversation.

Quote:Lol ok, what year would fit your requirements? They are also some of the best coaches in history, with 2 of them still coaching (good teams btw) and 1 leaving the league 8 years ago after a 12-4 record.

 

Badger said he doubted an interim head coach has ever lead to a permanent, successful position. I simply answered him with 6 coaches that have.

 

well that settles it. super bowl here we come.

Quote:well that settles it. super bowl here we come.

Actually, 1-15 here we come.

Quote:Actually, 1-15 here we come.

 

not if we get Marrone in there.  6-10 and picking out of the top ten. YESSSSSSS

Quote:not if we get Marrone in there. 6-10 and picking out of the top ten. YESSSSSSS

Lol because we've only had top 5 picks for the past decade now.


You do know 6-10 was what everyone called a reasonable projection this year, right? If Marrone doesn't work out, get another HC in the offseason... Ya know... Like what's gonna happen anyway...


Pretty sad you think Caldwell needs a top 10 (more like top 3) pick to get a good player.

Quote:Ugh, i hope Khan isnt okay with whats going on like pete said.

That is my biggest fear.Khan could just be thinking oh well its making money

Btw, badger, are you telling me after London, if Marrone goes 5-4(to bring us to 6-10), would that not be a coach worth keeping?


Just wondering.

Quote:Btw, badger, are you telling me after London, if Marrone goes 5-3 (to bring us to 6-10), would that not be a coach worth keeping?


Just wondering.

Maybe. we will want to survey all the new candidates after the season anyway

Quote:Maybe. we will want to survey all the new candidates after the season anyway

Not my point.


You said Marrone would get us to 6-10, right? That means he would go 5-4. I'm not saying he would, but if he did, you'd look pretty stupid for not wanting to give him a chance. Hell, it'd be worth it if he went 4-5. Anything less than 4 wins and we'd still get a top 10 pick.


So what exactly is the problem with promoting him to the interim head coach?


***edit*** btw, just looked at last year's draft order, you would still probably get a top 10 pick at 6-10.

Quote:The Dolphins fired Joe Philbin this season after starting poorly and playing some pretty pathetic stuff this season. Their defense was poor. They didn't bother much with their running game. And in general there wasn't much energy or fight shown by their team. It was almost as if the team had given up on their coach and the season. They made a bold move and fired Philbin and replaced him with Dan Campbell as interim head coach. They fired their defensive coordinator and promoted one of their existing positional coaches. And these changes saw a new attitude taken into training and this came through into their performance on Sunday when they came out of their bye week firing on all cylinders. Their defense turned up and played physical (or overly physical if you listen to some within the Titans' camp). They found their running game by actually giving their very talented running back the ball. And other than Tannehill showing both sides of his game (2 TDs and 2 INTs), they played their best football of the season after making changes to their team.


Now I get the argument - "we'll never know if that would have happened without firing him" - but in the Dolphins' case, firing Philbin may have kick started their season. Philbin never struck me as a good fit to be a head coach, and to be honest, I am surprised he lasted as long as he did. In the past two seasons they ended up choking at the end of the season and wasting an opportunity to potentially make the play offs. And that's without considering the bullying scandal in which he probably should have lost his job for not being able to control or know what is going on in his locker room. That said, it is early days for them and they could go back to old ways in their next game. But I don't think Dan Campbell is going to let them tone down their new found intensity. They probably are not make the play offs, but I think a coaching change mid season may help them in the long run in helping promote an identity change.


As for us making a similar change, I am not convinced it would change very much. I don't think there is a problem with intensity or energy, that is something Gus brings to the table. And I don't think our players have given up on the season either, they seem pretty damn [BAD WORD REMOVED] off with keep losing and making the same mistakes - that isn't all Gus' fault. He doesn't tell Blake Bortles to make a bad read and throw an interception. He doesn't tell his defense to miss tackles. He and his staff put the players into the position to make plays, and granted we can question some of the play calls, but ultimately it is up to our players to execute. If they don't, the same mistakes will happen and this coaching staff will ultimately lose their jobs, and arguably someone will step in next season and get them executing the plays and be seen as a saviour for turning this franchise around. But if our players finally start to execute on the field, keep their mistakes to a minimum, and take their chances, then this team can and will win football games. This team is close to being competitive, not a Super Bowl contender, but certainly good enough to be going .500. Maybe that is my Jaguars' bias leaking through, but I don't see this team as being one of the worst in the league. We have talent. We just don't have players playing well enough, consistently enough, throughout four quarters to win a game. I don't think firing Gus and putting Malone or whoever else in charge will change that. The only time I see such changes working is when you go from a lifeless type coach like Philbin to a more passionate coach like Campbell, or from Dennis Allen to Tony Sparano. And even then, it may or may not translate into wins. So we may as well let Gus see the season out and see what happens. If it turns around, great. If it doesn't, make a change in the off season.

I can't argue against this ^^^^^

One cannot say they are competitive if they are losing all their games, in the nfl.


Wins only matter, the point differential doesn't. When you say you want to be competitive in the nfl, it means you are in the payoff hunt it at least looking at .500 win percentage.


There's no style points in the nfl.

Quote:I think folks on this board would probably be really disappointed if they knew what that magic number was, because I don't think there's a really high bar set for this year beyond starting to move the arrow in the right direction.

I'm trying to rationalize this concept that the number of wins doesn't matter, but I'm sorry. It's the nfl, only winning matters.


Dude, if bb5 was throwing 50% with 2 ints and 1 td per game, while only passing for 150 yards and we were 4-2 and leading our division, there would be no talk of Gus being fired.


Our d could be atrocious, and Gus could continue to not make any halftime adjustments and if we were 4-2 and leading our division Gus would not be on the hot seat.


The bottom line is winning. The team isn't winning and they look to be letting the season slip away.


A few meaningless wins after we're already eliminated from the playoffs should not erase the failure of this coach to win games when we absolutely needed then early in the season.


Gus has proven over 3 years that he cannot prepare this team to win in the first 2 months of the season. There's no excuse for that.


No matter if he wins 2 games in December.

Quote:While it's a 4 year plan, there has been a certain expectation level set that year 3 would show the team turning the corner. It hasn't happened yet. There's still a lot of football left to play, but if the team doesn't start cobbling together some wins as the season progresses, Gus won't get a year 4.

Did they ever say it was a 4 year plan? I'm honestly just asking because I don't remember them giving us a timetable.