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Quote:Boselli argued in support of what Bortles said but Prosser stated that not all fans have the same Football IQ when it comes to the game. For the fans in the know, the major differences in football knowledge between them and a player is mostly the fact that a player is physically equipped to experience and play the game. That does not mean a fan can't understand scheme concepts, route combinations, passing lanes, defensive and offensive strategies, packages and personnel etc. So just because you played the game doesn't necessarily mean you are more knowledgeable about the game. Anybow, a question came up why Olsen had two tightends and didn't utilize either in a particular string of plays. Boselli argued that Prosser could not have none what Olsen wanted to do but Prosser argued that teams in that personnel group usually do something to find mismatches with that personnel during a passing down. Boselli kept going on about the Jaguars do things according to how they want and Prosser countered that not only are the Jaguars unsuccessful bucking the trend but that they honestly don't have the personnel to execute the play calling. Boselli continued to make excuses for the coach and the players. At least thats how I remembered. Should have recorded the show.
 

At least that's how you remembered it.  I'm sure that recollection is 100% accurate as you were no doubt taking notes during the conversation, which I heard as well. 

 

There's a part you seem to have left out of the discussion.

 

It was mentioned that no matter how savvy fans might believe they are, they aren't on the field making the calls, and they don't know what plays were actually called, what kind of reads the QB made, etc..  They may be able to look at an alignment and make some assumptions.  That doesn't give them any more insight into what's happening on the field than the casual fan unless they're in on the play calling and know what's going  on in the QBs head. 

 

It's easy to armchair QB a situation and convince yourself you're right.  It's less simple to accept the fact that of what you're seeing on the field, you really only know 25% of what's actually happening, if that much.

 

Since Boselli was pointing that out, of course he's just an apologist and should be disregarded, and naturally, since Prosser wants to portray the fans as knowing more about what's happening on the field than the guys actually on the field, he'll be lauded for his insight, all based on your recollection.

 

Bortles admitted his fault in many of the bad plays last weekend, including taking the hit for the pick 6.  He made it clear it wasn't the play calling, and that it was all on him making a bad read. 

 

Quote:A guy who is 3-W 13-L since started in the NFL.  With 12 td and 19 int.  Who has yet to reach 60% Completion percentage.  And has a TQR of 25.

Is telling the fans who help pay his salary.  Fans who support him and his terrible starting numbers,  And Tolerate this tradition of try hard and constantly lose.  Who by being the boss aka leader.  Shows no skills of that.   A boss corrects the staff mistakes.  Blake stated "I don't yell at my guys for dropping passes."   "Because they don't yell at me when ball thrown 5 feet over their head".

 

So in essence no one leads the team.  And it shows by their kindergarten performance on the field.   Love the Jags always have and always will.   But instead of blaming the fans.  Should be working on how to improve their performance on the field.  

 

If we get blown out by Miami are we preschoolers next? 

 

Gus has been and will continue being the issue.   Maybe our next HC will learn how to win games not the ra ra "Great effort"  "They try hard"   Boy do I miss Tom.  The players may have hated his yelling and his zero tolerance ways.   At least Coughlin knows how to win!  Instead of this down ward spiral. 
 

I'm sure that if you were here during the time when Coughlin was struggling and the fans were calling for his head, you would have been right there with them.  Saying Tom knows how to win is a great hindsight analysis, but when the team was floundering coming out of that cap mess, there were only a handful of people who were still supporting him, and recognizing what a tremendous coaching job he was doing with a roster that was as devoid of talent as any roster we've ever had in franchise history.  I sat in the stadium and listened to them boo any time his name was mentioned, or any time a play didn't go the way they demanded it to.  I listened to them chanting for him to be fired. 

 

Gus has this year to prove his worth as an NFL head coach.  They've been building this team to make the turn in year 3.  There have been improvements along the way, but they're not happening as quickly as the wannabe GMs would prefer, but this is the NFL, and not some video game.  When you completely blow a roster up and move in a new direction, it takes time to acquire the talent, and even more to develop it.  Nothing was going to happen quickly based on the approach this front office took, and it doesn't matter WHO was coaching this team during that time, it was going to struggle. They've said all along that by year 3 the process should start to help turn the tide on the field.  I'm pretty sure they meant DURING year 3 and not right out of the gate. 

Quote:Is telling the fans who help pay his salary.
 

lol, I PAY HIS SALARY!!!! HARUMPH!!!
Quote:Folks who think they know what they are talking about but do not, based on "experience" that really isn't experience at all.


Kinda like where Prosser is spouting from. I don't know how he could miss the mark so badly yet you think he "destroyed" him when in truth that conversation was over his head.


Which figures, as birds of a feather...


So the board members who spoke out against Gene Smith didn't know anything? Or the people who question particular play calls that barely anyone runs in the league with success are dumb? Is Pete Prisco an idiot? I don't think playing Football makes you more knowledgeable about the game by default.
Quote:I don't think playing Football makes you more knowledgeable about the game by default.
 

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Quote:At least that's how you remembered it. I'm sure that recollection is 100% accurate as you were no doubt taking notes during the conversation, which I heard as well.


There's a part you seem to have left out of the discussion.


It was mentioned that no matter how savvy fans might believe they are, they aren't on the field making the calls, and they don't know what plays were actually called, what kind of reads the QB made, etc.. They may be able to look at an alignment and make some assumptions. That doesn't give them any more insight into what's happening on the field than the casual fan unless they're in on the play calling and know what's going on in the QBs head.


It's easy to armchair QB a situation and convince yourself you're right. It's less simple to accept the fact that of what you're seeing on the field, you really only know 25% of what's actually happening, if that much.


Since Boselli was pointing that out, of course he's just an apologist and should be disregarded, and naturally, since Prosser wants to portray the fans as knowing more about what's happening on the field than the guys actually on the field, he'll be lauded for his insight, all based on your recollection.


Bortles admitted his fault in many of the bad plays last weekend, including taking the hit for the pick 6. He made it clear it wasn't the play calling, and that it was all on him making a bad read.



I'm sure that if you were here during the time when Coughlin was struggling and the fans were calling for his head, you would have been right there with them. Saying Tom knows how to win is a great hindsight analysis, but when the team was floundering coming out of that cap mess, there were only a handful of people who were still supporting him, and recognizing what a tremendous coaching job he was doing with a roster that was as devoid of talent as any roster we've ever had in franchise history. I sat in the stadium and listened to them boo any time his name was mentioned, or any time a play didn't go the way they demanded it to. I listened to them chanting for him to be fired.


Gus has this year to prove his worth as an NFL head coach. They've been building this team to make the turn in year 3. There have been improvements along the way, but they're not happening as quickly as the wannabe GMs would prefer, but this is the NFL, and not some video game. When you completely blow a roster up and move in a new direction, it takes time to acquire the talent, and even more to develop it. Nothing was going to happen quickly based on the approach this front office took, and it doesn't matter WHO was coaching this team during that time, it was going to struggle. They've said all along that by year 3 the process should start to help turn the tide on the field. I'm pretty sure they meant DURING year 3 and not right out of the gate.
Making a bad read....he telegraphed himself before the play even started. I've seen bad reads...on that play he was just dumb.


As it stands the team in year 3 isn't much better than the team Caldwell blew up.
Quote:So the board members who spoke out against Gene Smith didn't know anything? Or the people who question particular play calls that barely anyone runs in the league with success are dumb? Is Pete Prisco an idiot? I don't think playing Football makes you more knowledgeable about the game by default.
 

Do you know the playbook and what plays are actually being called on every down? 
Quote:Making a bad read....he telegraphed himself before the play even started. I've seen bad reads...on that play he was just dumb.
What was the exact play call? 
Quote:Do you know the playbook and what plays are actually being called on every down?


Did the defense know the play call?

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How can ANYONE not 100% agree with what he said? Do you really think the average nfl fan is even REMOTELY close in football knowledge to coaches calling the plays?

If you do, you literally have something wrong with your brain.


"But we lost the game, but he threw an int, but he didn't score a td"...etc...etc. WTH does any of that have to do with what he said? Nothing, but some of the kindergarteners have to try and make up something to be offended about
Quote:Did the defense know the play call?
So, that's a no then.
Quote:How can ANYONE not 100% agree with what he said? Do you really think the average nfl fan is even REMOTELY close in football knowledge to coaches calling the plays?


If you do, you literally have something wrong with your brain.



"But we lost the game, but he threw an int, but he didn't score a td"...etc...etc. WTH does any of that have to do with what he said? Nothing, but some of the kindergarteners have to try and make up something to be offended about
There are those fans who are perpetually looking to be offended. 
Quote:So, that's a no then.


No. But my point is neither did the defense, so prior knowledge of the play is unneccessary given we run a predictable Kindergarten offense.
Quote:No. But my point is neither did the defense, so prior knowledge of the play is unneccessary given we run a predictable Kindergarten offense.
 

You realize you are just proving Bortles' point, right?
Quote:No. But my point is neither did the defense, so prior knowledge of the play is unneccessary given we run a predictable Kindergarten offense.
 

I love the predictable offense nonsense.  You just confirmed you have no clue what the exact play calls are, so it stands to reason that your "predictable" comment is about as pointless as the rest of your argument.  The defender made a good play on a pass that was telegraphed by the QB.  That's not about knowing the offense.  That's about playing heads up football.  I guess they don't teach that in Madden.
Quote:You realize you are just proving Bortles' point, right?
 

I doubt he will ever actually realize this.
Quote:Heard that earlier today, i agree with what the article says.
I too agree w/BB5's sentiment, we as fans result to premature observations. Yes we should perform better but we must realize that Professionals are being  paid on this level. Not We The Fans.

 

 

Do we need to improve... Hell Yeah we do... Will we improve? 

 

Hell Yeaf we will...

 

NH3...
This is really great. Most of you (probably all) couldn't call a HS football game, but you think you know as much as an NFL coach? The worst coach in the league would embarrass you with his knowledge. If I watch every episode of Gray's Anatomy does that make me a medical professional?

Quote:This is really great. Most of you (probably all) couldn't call a HS football game, but you think you know as much as an NFL coach? The worst coach in the league would embarrass you with his knowledge. If I watch every episode of Gray's Anatomy does that make me a medical professional?
 

I beg to differ.  University of Phoenix takes Grays Anatomy as real life credit toward a rewarding career as a dental hygienist. 
Quote:You realize you are just proving Bortles' point, right?
 

Classic Solid Snake
Quote:I beg to differ.  University of Phoenix takes Grays Anatomy as real life credit toward a rewarding career as a dental hygienist. 
But will it work towards my TV/VCR repair degree?
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