Quote:"The good organizations are the patient ones that believe in continuity."
The good organizations also have really good quarterbacks. They typically also have a few pro bowlers sprinkled elsewhere on the roster, and it usually doesn't take 3 years of development to see how good those guys really are.
This organization hasn't found a quality quarterback since Mark Brunell, and none of Dave Caldwell's draft picks have looked remotely close to Pro Bowl caliber (except for Linder, but hey, he's a guard). The facts are Dave hasn't drafted a single player who has been a proven difference maker. That should make people feel a bit unsettled at the very least.
We don't know what we have with Bortles yet. All signs point to him being a good QB at this level. One game into his second year and you've already determined he's not the guy? There are NFL franchises who want to have a look at your crystal ball if you know this already. Why aren't they knocking down your door?
Quote:It's now week 2 with a brand new offensive staff. Why does that get ignored? It's the offense that has been the primary struggle. So, no, it's not week 33. We're in week 2 no matter how desperately you want to spin it.
It remains to be seen if Mariota is a franchise QB. But hey, that Tampa defense is the tops, isn't it? Once again, the knee jerk evaluations are comical.
Oh sure just hire a new coach every year and the past is erased.
"Year 35 of the Gus era and the Jags have won 50 total games. But we have a new towel boy this year and we changed the flavor of the Gatorade in the coolers so let's give him another 10 years to see how it plays out. Compete and get better everyday that's what it's all about man!"
Quote:You had him all figured out in week one, right twitch?
Wouldn't it suck for you if this team starts to click this year? All that premature evaluation would have been for nothing, huh?
I could only hope tubbs. But the chances of Gus leading this team to anything relevant this season are about as slim as you eating a salad for once.
Quote:FBT has told anybody that would listen to be patient for a number of years. "This is a process." "We are building the right way." "Just be patient, it will all turn around if we just believe!"
He has defended until the bitter end the following:
Shack
Leftwich
Garrard
Marcedes
Gene Smith (his idol)
Alualu
Del Rio
Mularkey
Gabbert
Anger (great value, he's a starter, you bed wetters have no clue)
Gus
Henne
Joeckel
And many others
At what point does one get tired of being wrong? FBT you strike me as a pragmatic individual, what makes you drink the Teal Kool aid so heavily? Is it more desperate hope that things will turn around more than you actually being convinced we are heading in the right direction?
FBT is just like all of us. He is fan.I always was into the hype to because I am a fan. That does not make me a idiot.
Quote:FBT is just like all of us. He is fan.I always was into the hype to because I am a fan. That does not make me a idiot.
Maybe not but it makes you foolish. Results are needed. It's time.
Quote:FBT is just like all of us. He is fan.I always was into the hype to because I am a fan. That does not make me a idiot.
I don't anyone is disputing the fact if he is a fan or not. The problem with FBT is that he criticizes other fans who questions the team's lack of progress. He tells us that we should trust what the organization is telling us but must of us aren't buying that crap anymore.
Quote:Three years was enough of Gene Smith. It wasn't getting any better. So, why does it seem so unreasonable considering the way they blew this roster up and how they've rebuilt it to give them the time they say they need in order to turn things around. Caldwell, Bradley, and Khan have all been on the same page in saying that year 3 is the year where the team needs to make that turn. We've played exactly one game of year 3.
Del Rio managed to get a contract extension coming off a playoff win. That extension never should have happened. Neither should the deal that was signed by Garrard. Nobody is left from the group that made those decisions including the owner, so it's okay to move on. I was very much in the fire Del Rio camp from the point where it became clear he wasn't going to be able to sustain any level of success here. That was more than a year before he was fired.
I don't think it's time to cut bait and tear the whole thing down. I think a decent half measure would be having Marrone take over next year to guarantee a sense of continuity. You get the best of all worlds, a new leader, but without having to change scheme at all. Continuity is exactly why the Marrone thing makes sense. You aren't going to lure a quality coach here by saying "you have to keep the same coordinators in place." That's how you end up with Mike Mularkey.
Quote:This is funny stuff. Sad and depressed inside? Yeah, okay. That's why we're the ones leaving a trail of tears on the board instead of preaching patience.
Oh, wait....
It's not about wanting anyone to be wrong. It's about thinking beyond the here and now and recognizing that this is a process, and the team is going to improve over their performance in WEEK ONE. Why is it so difficult for some of you to understand this?
I haven't seen anyone on my side of this discussion refer to every player being perfect. This is the typical hyperbole that is spewed by the premi crowd who use Madden as their guide for how changes should happen immediately. This is the real world where progress takes time and patience.
Your so out of touch fat boy. your always the last one to know that we suck because you believe in this crappy process so hard. What a hypocrite.
Quote:We don't know what we have with Bortles yet. All signs point to him being a good QB at this level. One game into his second year and you've already determined he's not the guy? There are NFL franchises who want to have a look at your crystal ball if you know this already. Why aren't they knocking down your door?
I don't know how you could watch his play dating back to last year and say "ALL SIGNS" are pointing to him being good. He has had 2 good preseasons, and has yet to play a complete game of quality quarterback. That's troubling. There are far more question marks with him than certainties. He's big, mobile, and has an OK arm. But he has flawed mechanics at times, and has a habit of making abysmal decisions with the football when facing adversity. He also doesn't handle the blitz well at all. So what are all these "signs" you speak of, because I'm not seeing it.
All of the quality quarterbacks in the league have shown signs of being special within their first two seasons (this was usually reflected by statistics as well). This year is huge for him. It will go a long way in determining whether or not we should have any confidence in him going forward, or if we need to start looking elsewhere.
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im happy as a mofo. Whatchu talkin bout?
Quote:I don't know how you could watch his play dating back to last year and say "ALL SIGNS" are pointing to him being good. He has had 2 good preseasons, and has yet to play a complete game of quality quarterback. That's troubling. There are far more question marks with him than certainties. He's big, mobile, and has an OK arm. But he has flawed mechanics at times, and has a habit of making abysmal decisions with the football when facing adversity. He also doesn't handle the blitz well at all. So what are all these "signs" you speak of, because I'm not seeing it.
All of the quality quarterbacks in the league have shown signs of being special within their first two seasons (this was usually reflected by statistics as well). This year is huge for him. It will go a long way in determining whether or not we should have any confidence in him going forward, or if we need to start looking elsewhere.
It's only week 1.
But yes, what you just posted is or at least it SHOULD BE a major concern for anyone that watches and pulls for the jags.
Quote:This is funny stuff. Sad and depressed inside? Yeah, okay. That's why we're the ones leaving a trail of tears on the board instead of preaching patience.
Oh, wait....
It's not about wanting anyone to be wrong. It's about thinking beyond the here and now and recognizing that this is a process, and the team is going to improve over their performance in WEEK ONE. Why is it so difficult for some of you to understand this?
I haven't seen anyone on my side of this discussion refer to every player being perfect. This is the typical hyperbole that is spewed by the premi crowd who use Madden as their guide for how changes should happen immediately. This is the real world where progress takes time and patience.
Whatever helps you sleep at night, friend.
Quote:Point on
Sprinkles are for winners.
You guys need to watch the TNF game and just see how a team can turn around after a couple of years.
The Chiefs picked 1st overall in 2013 and Eric Fisher was a bust, but that does't matter because of how stacked their roster is. The coaching is superb, and they have a QB that doesn't throw pick sixes consistently. It shouldn't take THIS long to be good... It's ridiculous what we have to go through.
Quote:You guys need to watch the TNF game and just see how a team can turn around after a couple of years.
The Chiefs picked 1st overall in 2013 and Eric Fisher was a bust, but that does't matter because of how stacked their roster is. The coaching is superb, and they have a QB that doesn't throw pick sixes consistently. It shouldn't take THIS long to be good... It's ridiculous what we have to go through.
Exactly. It really doesn't take 4 years. If you draft well, those guys should be playing well by year 2. Add some quality free agents and an adequate quarterback to the mix, and there you go. Unfortunately we really don't have a lot to hang our hat on right now. Even if you include injured players, this team doesn't have a lot of WOW guys on offense. The 2014 draft was a good receiver draft, and we took 2 in the second round. it's about time to see some production from them.
Quote:Maybe not but it makes you foolish. Results are needed. It's time.
It is time. We are week 2 in the year that we should be making a turn. That's all there is to it.
If we suck again this year it'll get blown up. If not it won't. Pretty simple.
I also think your head coach needs to be innovative and a bit of an egomaniac. Bradley just doesn't seem to possess those qualities. He's pretty indecisive, and not even sure of the rules all the time.
Quote:It is time. We are week 2 in the year that we should be making a turn. That's all there is to it.
I think that's the thing people are missing.... Yeah, it's just the start of year 3, but at some point those wins have to come if we are going to see a turn around. We let one get away last week. This game is the most winnable of the next 3, and we desperately need it.
You can't count on the light coming on late in the season and winning 4 or 5 games in a row. Some of those wins have to come early on if you're planning to get to 6 or 7 wins.