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Quote:What is the history of success for Belichick assistants when they leave the fold for other teams? 

 

How'd McDaniel do in his last head coaching gig with a decent Broncos roster?

 

Well, since you framed the question without the usual insults to the fans..

 

It's a good first question - and I don't really know the answer, but it bears researching.

 

On the second question - people respond differently under different circumstances.  We have all seen that time and again in the NFL, so there is no way to know.

 

I'm no expert on McDaniels.  He had quite a hot run in Denver before the collapse the following year as I recall.  The fact that Bellichick picked him up is meaningful to me.  Just as he often picks up quality and talent on the cheap.  Fred Taylor among them..  Reggie Wayne, as many laughed about earlier in the off-season.  As an aside, it makes me wonder a bit, how do the SB winners find room on their roster for a Wayne type, but it's anathema to us?  And it is just rhetorical...  Even I would agree Wayne is nigh to the end, but I can't help but wonder if he could teach our young'ins how to hold on to the ball in pressure situations.

 

For my part, Bellichick DNA has HIGH value.  Every aspect of the Patriot organization is the gold standard. It is because Bellichick has such an amazing grasp of the fundamental aspects of the game.  It is what WON the Superbowl, because the defender that made the last second pick had already PRACTICED the play.  He simply resorted to his training without thinking, and he has said as much.

 

McDaniels had his chance at HC, did a remarkable job, then crashed and burned.  Ok..  but now he has had very VALUABLE experience seeing how it is done at the highest level.  He would be a strong candidate for a second opportunity.  AND he's still young.  The Pats always have great offensive plays in the can ready to pull out.  (we NEVER do..)  Matter of fact, that is how we usually LOSE..  the other team just pulls out something unusual, and our D bites, and gets w h i p p e d.  

 

Heck, if I had my druthers...  I'd probably want to pick up McDaniels and keep Bradley as DC if he could be persuaded for the 'team'.  Of course, it's unlikely, but again... money talks!  I like the tie he has to Seattle, now has the HC experience, so would be a good candidate.  Buy him Chancellor..

 

It's just a single thought...  Reid (mentioned previously) is a great coach for the same reason Bellichick is, he is a master of the game.  Bradley is NOT.  

 

Not sure who else I'd proffer up at the moment, but my guess is we are going to have the whole season to think it over.

 

spare me the insults...  those that cannot... grow up

You can check the history on Romeo Crennel, Charlie Weis, Al Groh.. You can lump Saban in there too. Great college coach, not so much in Miami. None has been what I would call successful in the NFL as a head coach for one reason or another. McDaniels is pretty polarizing.

Quote:You can check the history on Romeo Crennel, Charlie Weis, Al Groh.. You can lump Saban in there too. Great college coach, not so much in Miami. None has been what I would call successful in the NFL as a head coach for one reason or another. McDaniels is pretty polarizing.

Wouldn't want Crennel, Weis, Saban, or McDaniels.  No to Hue Jackson either. Don't know anything about Groh.  If they've already failed with one team, I wouldn't want to give them a second chance.  Now if they've had success, then sure.  But none of those had success.  

Patience... won't be long before Harbaugh wears out his welcome again, again.

Quote:I'm no expert on McDaniels.  He had quite a hot run in Denver before the collapse the following year as I recall.  The fact that Bellichick picked him up is meaningful to me.  Just as he often picks up quality and talent on the cheap.  Fred Taylor among them..  Reggie Wayne, as many laughed about earlier in the off-season.  As an aside, it makes me wonder a bit, how do the SB winners find room on their roster for a Wayne type, but it's anathema to us?  And it is just rhetorical...  Even I would agree Wayne is nigh to the end, but I can't help but wonder if he could teach our young'ins how to hold on to the ball in pressure situations.

 

It's pretty clear you just don't know what you are talking about. McDaniels had a good first month record wise in Denver. Every other moment he was with the Broncos was a disaster.

 

Oh, and Belichick did a great job picking up Reggie Wayne? Is that why he cut him a few weeks later and Wayne is currently unemployed?

Charlie Cheeseburger is still one of my favorite head coach nicknames.

Quote:I don't know about that. I think some of us forger last year... AR15 looked very promising before getting hurt in London. Hurns also looked very good. Clay Harbor was also good fur big chunks of yards when he was utilized, same with marcedes...


I think we all expect Robinson and hurns to be improved from last year.


It's disappointing that week one was a no show for all our guys.


But I'm not sure you can say that we didn't have potential play makers going into week 1

Hyperbole. They looked better than decent, in other words serviceable. All the players you mentioned are quality depth on other teams.

McDaniels is only out there as the kind of guy that 'could' get it done.

 

So he was involved with getting rid of Cutler in Denver??  good, I'd say..  Cutler just doesn't have 'it'.

 

McDaniels is the son of Thom McDaniels (the 1997 <i>USA Today</i> High School Coach of the Yearand often described as a "legend" of Ohio high school football).^[2] Attending his father's practices during his youth has been credited with inspiring McDaniels to enter coaching."

 

^^^^^  is the kind of second-gen DNA that I love..  Not to mention the fact he is from the Barberton/Canton area.  I have alot of family there, and it is a TOUGH town...  like among the toughest I've ever been to, and I have lived in dozens of places.  Football is a religion in those towns.

 

"McDaniels joined the Patriots in 2001 as a personnel assistant. From 2002 to 2003, he served as a defensive coaching assistant for the team, working with the defensive backs in 2003. In 2004, he became the team's quarterbacks coach. McDaniels was with the New England Patriots for all four of their Super Bowl championships, Super Bowl XXXVI, Super Bowl XXXVIII, Super Bowl XXXIX, and Super Bowl XLIX."

 

^^^^^^^ hard to argue with being around (and participating in) that kind of success.

 

"In the 2007 season, with McDaniels at the helm of the offense, the Patriots set NFL records, scoring 75 touchdowns (67 on offense, 50 passing and 17 rushing) and 589 points, leading to rumors that McDaniels might leave the Patriots for a head coaching job.^[6] McDaniels withdrew his name from consideration, however, during the Patriots' January 2008 playoff run. Shortly after the Patriots' loss in Super Bowl XLII, Patriots head coach Bill Belichick gave McDaniels a five-page typed report on what it takes to be an effective head coach and run a winning organization, which McDaniels termed "his bible." Throughout the 2008 season, the two would meet to discuss the report and allow McDaniels to ask non-coaching questions that he brought to later head coaching interviews.^[7]

<p style="margin-left:0px;">Starting quarterback Tom Brady suffered a season-ending injury in Week 1 of the 2008 season. McDaniels directed the Matt Cassel-led Patriots' offense as the team finished the season with an 11-5 record.

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<p style="margin-left:0px;">^^^^^^ pretty terrific stuff here too..     

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<p style="margin-left:0px;">To say he would not be considered by other NFL teams is silly..   now, whether he is just trouble as an individual is relevant.  But to say he is not a qualified candidate is the more ridiculous statement than to toss up his name as one to consider..

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<p style="margin-left:0px;">He's just one guy..  and we will need at least TWO.  What's your guys suggestion....keep training Bradley??  He hasn't won a SINGLE opener..  sayonara!!

Pros: We can start talking about firing a different coach.

 

Cons: He (the replacement) still won't ever be a good enough coach until the players perform on the field.

 

----which leads to the pros and cons of firing Caldwell.

 

Pros: Enjoying another rebuild after 3 years

 

Cons: Enjoying another rebuild after 3 years

Quote:McDaniels is only out there as the kind of guy that 'could' get it done.


So he was involved with getting rid of Cutler in Denver?? good, I'd say.. Cutler just doesn't have 'it'.


McDaniels is the son of <a class="bbc_url" href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thom_McDaniels'>Thom McDaniels</a> (the 1997 <a class="bbc_url" href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_Today_All-USA_high_school_football_team#1997_team'>USA Today High School Coach of the Year</a>and often described as a "legend" of Ohio high school football).^{<a class="bbc_url" href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josh_McDaniels#cite_note-NYT-2'>[2]</a>} Attending his father's practices during his youth has been credited with inspiring McDaniels to enter coaching."


^^^^^ is the kind of second-gen DNA that I love.. Not to mention the fact he is from the Barberton/Canton area. I have alot of family there, and it is a TOUGH town... like among the toughest I've ever been to, and I have lived in dozens of places. Football is a religion in those towns.


"McDaniels joined the Patriots in <a class="bbc_url" href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_New_England_Patriots_season'>2001</a> as a personnel assistant. From <a class="bbc_url" href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_New_England_Patriots_season'>2002</a> to <a class="bbc_url" href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_New_England_Patriots_season'>2003</a>, he served as a defensive coaching assistant for the team, working with the <a class="bbc_url" href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defensive_back'>defensive backs</a> in 2003. In <a class="bbc_url" href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_New_England_Patriots_season'>2004</a>, he became the team's <a class="bbc_url" href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarterback'>quarterbacks</a> coach. McDaniels was with the New England Patriots for all four of their Super Bowl championships, <a class="bbc_url" href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_XXXVI'>Super Bowl XXXVI</a>, <a class="bbc_url" href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_XXXVIII'>Super Bowl XXXVIII</a>, <a class="bbc_url" href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_XXXIX'>Super Bowl XXXIX</a>, and <a class="bbc_url" href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_XLIX'>Super Bowl XLIX</a>."


^^^^^^^ hard to argue with being around (and participating in) that kind of success.


"In the 2007 season, with McDaniels at the helm of the offense, the Patriots set NFL records, scoring 75 touchdowns (67 on offense, 50 passing and 17 rushing) and 589 points, leading to rumors that McDaniels might leave the Patriots for a head coaching job.^{<a class="bbc_url" href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josh_McDaniels#cite_note-6'>[6]</a>} McDaniels withdrew his name from consideration, however, during the Patriots' January 2008 playoff run. Shortly after the Patriots' loss in <a class="bbc_url" href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_XLII'>Super Bowl XLII</a>, Patriots head coach <a class="bbc_url" href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Belichick'>Bill Belichick</a> gave McDaniels a five-page typed report on what it takes to be an effective head coach and run a winning organization, which McDaniels termed "his <a class="bbc_url" href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible'>bible</a>." Throughout the 2008 season, the two would meet to discuss the report and allow McDaniels to ask non-coaching questions that he brought to later head coaching interviews.^{<a class="bbc_url" href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josh_McDaniels#cite_note-7'>[7]</a>}

Starting <a class="bbc_url" href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarterback'>quarterback</a> <a class="bbc_url" href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Brady'>Tom Brady</a> suffered a season-ending injury in Week 1 of the 2008 season. McDaniels directed the <a class="bbc_url" href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Cassel'>Matt Cassel</a>-led Patriots' offense as the team finished the season with an 11-5 record.


^^^^^^ pretty terrific stuff here too..


To say he would not be considered by other NFL teams is silly.. now, whether he is just trouble as an individual is relevant. But to say he is not a qualified candidate is the more ridiculous statement than to toss up his name as one to consider..


He's just one guy.. and we will need at least TWO. What's your guys suggestion....keep training Bradley?? He hasn't won a SINGLE opener.. sayonara!!

When Khan hired Gus, he mentioned a few things. Wanting to win and working with someone who he likes. He said something along the lines of not wanting to win with someone he didn't like and not having a coach he likes that couldn't win. Gus is out on a narrow branch right now with the Win/Loss ratio, but he is universally liked in that building. My point here is that McDaniels may have the Xs and Os down, but he was notoriously difficult to work with which tells me his credentials may earn him another shot at being a HC, but it won't be here.

Quote:Well, since you framed the question without the usual insults to the fans..

 

It's a good first question - and I don't really know the answer, but it bears researching.

 

On the second question - people respond differently under different circumstances.  We have all seen that time and again in the NFL, so there is no way to know.

 

I'm no expert on McDaniels.  He had quite a hot run in Denver before the collapse the following year as I recall.  The fact that Bellichick picked him up is meaningful to me.  Just as he often picks up quality and talent on the cheap.  Fred Taylor among them..  Reggie Wayne, as many laughed about earlier in the off-season.  As an aside, it makes me wonder a bit, how do the SB winners find room on their roster for a Wayne type, but it's anathema to us?  And it is just rhetorical...  Even I would agree Wayne is nigh to the end, but I can't help but wonder if he could teach our young'ins how to hold on to the ball in pressure situations.

 

For my part, Bellichick DNA has HIGH value.  Every aspect of the Patriot organization is the gold standard. It is because Bellichick has such an amazing grasp of the fundamental aspects of the game.  It is what WON the Superbowl, because the defender that made the last second pick had already PRACTICED the play.  He simply resorted to his training without thinking, and he has said as much.

 

McDaniels had his chance at HC, did a remarkable job, then crashed and burned.  Ok..  but now he has had very VALUABLE experience seeing how it is done at the highest level.  He would be a strong candidate for a second opportunity.  AND he's still young.  The Pats always have great offensive plays in the can ready to pull out.  (we NEVER do..)  Matter of fact, that is how we usually LOSE..  the other team just pulls out something unusual, and our D bites, and gets w h i p p e d.  

 

Heck, if I had my druthers...  I'd probably want to pick up McDaniels and keep Bradley as DC if he could be persuaded for the 'team'.  Of course, it's unlikely, but again... money talks!  I like the tie he has to Seattle, now has the HC experience, so would be a good candidate.  Buy him Chancellor..

 

It's just a single thought...  Reid (mentioned previously) is a great coach for the same reason Bellichick is, he is a master of the game.  Bradley is NOT.  

 

Not sure who else I'd proffer up at the moment, but my guess is we are going to have the whole season to think it over.

 

spare me the insults...  those that cannot... grow up

McDaniel loved Tebow.  That's all you need to know about him.

Quote:McDaniel loved Tebow.  That's all you need to know about him.

Or all we need to know about why he loves McDaniels

Quote:Or all we need to know about why he loves McDaniels

That's pretty much my point.  Tebow fanboys are desperate to find some way to get their messiah back on the field.

Quote:McDaniels is only out there as the kind of guy that 'could' get it done.

 

So he was involved with getting rid of Cutler in Denver??  good, I'd say..  Cutler just doesn't have 'it'.

 

McDaniels is the son of Thom McDaniels (the 1997 <i>USA Today</i> High School Coach of the Yearand often described as a "legend" of Ohio high school football).^[2] Attending his father's practices during his youth has been credited with inspiring McDaniels to enter coaching."

 

^^^^^  is the kind of second-gen DNA that I love..  Not to mention the fact he is from the Barberton/Canton area.  I have alot of family there, and it is a TOUGH town...  like among the toughest I've ever been to, and I have lived in dozens of places.  Football is a religion in those towns.

 

"McDaniels joined the Patriots in 2001 as a personnel assistant. From 2002 to 2003, he served as a defensive coaching assistant for the team, working with the defensive backs in 2003. In 2004, he became the team's quarterbacks coach. McDaniels was with the New England Patriots for all four of their Super Bowl championships, Super Bowl XXXVI, Super Bowl XXXVIII, Super Bowl XXXIX, and Super Bowl XLIX."

 

^^^^^^^ hard to argue with being around (and participating in) that kind of success.

 

"In the 2007 season, with McDaniels at the helm of the offense, the Patriots set NFL records, scoring 75 touchdowns (67 on offense, 50 passing and 17 rushing) and 589 points, leading to rumors that McDaniels might leave the Patriots for a head coaching job.^[6] McDaniels withdrew his name from consideration, however, during the Patriots' January 2008 playoff run. Shortly after the Patriots' loss in Super Bowl XLII, Patriots head coach Bill Belichick gave McDaniels a five-page typed report on what it takes to be an effective head coach and run a winning organization, which McDaniels termed "his bible." Throughout the 2008 season, the two would meet to discuss the report and allow McDaniels to ask non-coaching questions that he brought to later head coaching interviews.^[7]

Starting quarterback Tom Brady suffered a season-ending injury in Week 1 of the 2008 season. McDaniels directed the Matt Cassel-led Patriots' offense as the team finished the season with an 11-5 record.

 

^^^^^^ pretty terrific stuff here too..     

 

To say he would not be considered by other NFL teams is silly..   now, whether he is just trouble as an individual is relevant.  But to say he is not a qualified candidate is the more ridiculous statement than to toss up his name as one to consider..

 

He's just one guy..  and we will need at least TWO.  What's your guys suggestion....keep training Bradley??  He hasn't won a SINGLE opener..  sayonara!!

 

All you know about McDaniel is what you copy and pasted from Wikipedia. Well done.

Caldwell has expectations this season, otherwise he wouldn't have declared the roster built. I would guess a 6 win season and development of players. If Gus wins 4 again, he's gone

Quote:All you know about McDaniel is what you copy and pasted from Wikipedia. Well done.

Well, the C&P...and Tebow.

Quote:That's pretty much my point.  Tebow fanboys are desperate to find some way to get their messiah back on the field.

 

Then your point is baseless.  I was vehemently opposed to Tebow coming to Jax for lots of reasons.  And still am, though I do think he would be better than Henne.  He could probably win some games too, but he is too toxic for too many reasons so is best avoided just as Caldwell wisely did.

 

And I am just arguing devil's advocate for the most part..  McDaniels isn't even necessarily my first suggestion, but he 'should' be on the list of candidates.

 

I see you are back to your childish insults...  so endo convo..

 

you all are the same group that supported Gabbert (endlessly it seemed..) and even Mularkey some of you.  Same old...same old...  how is it the Jaguars website 'admins' weren't thrown out with the rest of the garbage from that era??

 

Look, I don't dig the elementary school insults...    GROW UP already...