Quote:That is a very good point. Where are these good things happening? If there are good things happening then why aren't those members in leadership positions getting the information out instead of making themselves and the "movement" look ignorant and dumpster worthy? You would think with how fast news travels on social media there would be a glimpse of something positive. Something on a grand scale, not just cousin Terrance, who says he is affiliated with BLM, giving away a few ice creams. Scholarships, housing projects, community center building, community outreach, etc. Seems to be some reason BLM hasn't been connected to a legitimate civic leader or a vocal part of local government.
Why do you assume they aren't? Because nobody called to let you know or because no one reported it?
Quote: Exactly. One form of evil is acceptable in society, the other isn't. Neither should be.
Let's be clear, the KKK is vilified less for its rhetoric and more for dragging ppl from their homes, torturing and then hanging them. There's plenty of existing info on this if you don't know. No other group even compares in scope or body of work in this area.
Quote:Why do you assume they aren't? Because nobody called to let you know or because no one reported it?
Because if the media could prop them up as legitimate we'd hear NOTHING but that ad nauseum.
Quote:Why do you assume they aren't? Because nobody called to let you know or because no one reported it?
You are pretty slow huh? I left the ball in your court to prove otherwise and you failed. A legitimate foundation or group would use social media and normal media sources to spread their goodwill, not trash.
Quote:I support the idea behind BLM, I don't support the radical elements which is inherent in any group.
Was about to post the same thing.
Can someone tell me the killings BLM have done that were racially motivated?
Quote:Let's be clear, the KKK is vilified less for its rhetoric and more for dragging ppl from their homes, torturing and then hanging them. There's plenty of existing info on this if you don't know. No other group even compares in scope or body of work in this area.
Are we talking body of work or current events? Honestly, does it make BLM anymore legitimate today or defend their idiocy?
Quote:Can someone tell me the killings BLM have done that were racially motivated?
So far? Why let it get to that point? Is murder the measure for illegitimacy now? Isn't violence and destruction enough? Isn't racial denigration enough? There is an issue when the bad heavily outweigh the good (whatever that has been).
Quote:That's not what I asked.
There are many deaths that have been attributed to the BLM movement, but being loosely based and lacking legitimacy, it is like trying to identify whether the murder was related to Islamist extremist or not. Direct connection is hit or miss. And I asked what good they have done, among the new questions posed.
Quote:There are many deaths that have been attributed to the BLM movement, but being loosely based and lacking legitimacy, it is like trying to identify whether the murder was related to Islamist extremist or not. Direct connection is hit or miss. And I asked what good they have done, among the new questions posed.
Ok, so the point is any murders that may be associated with the BLM cannot be substantiated.
You are equating the organization to terrorism which in this case does not meet the parameters outside of vile rhetoric which people including myself have already condemned.
Quote:Are we talking body of work or current events? Honestly, does it make BLM anymore legitimate today or defend their idiocy?
If you're eliminating their history in order to draw a parallel to BLM, it looks agenda driven. It's a false equivalence. The two are not the same. Hopefully, we never witness again the things the KKK did. The fact that they are still around despite these atrocities kind of points to that history being swept under the rug. If ppl have a problem with BLM, they should be able to point out their faults without comparing them to the KKK.
Quote:If you're eliminating their history in order to draw a parallel to BLM, it looks agenda driven. It's a false equivalence. The two are not the same. Hopefully, we never witness again the things the KKK did. The fact that they are still around despite these atrocities kind of points to that history being swept under the rug. If ppl have a problem with BLM, they should be able to point out their faults without comparing them to the KKK.
As it stands they are not equaled based on historical events, but the issue is the trending in such a direction. Do we ignore the rhetoric and have it blossom into the Black Panthers and then to the level of the 50s and 60s KKK? That's just ignorant. I believe the reason they are being compared to the KKK at this point in time is based on recent history, not the atrocities of the past. When you take that approach, you can see the similarities. In fact, you see escalation beyond that of the current KKK. This is where it is getting dangerous. The BLM is no more useful or legitimate than the KKK. Both are racist entities that thrive off of division and ignorance. No need for it.
Quote:As it stands they are not equaled based on historical events, but the issue is the trending in such a direction. Do we ignore the rhetoric and have it blossom into the Black Panthers and then to the level of the 50s and 60s KKK? That's just ignorant. I believe the reason they are being compared to the KKK at this point in time is based on recent history, not the atrocities of the past. When you take that approach, you can see the similarities. In fact, you see escalation beyond that of the current KKK. This is where it is getting dangerous. The BLM is no more useful or legitimate than the KKK. Both are racist entities that thrive off of division and ignorance. No need for it.
I could draw a parallel between a donkey and an airplane with "that approach". I shouldn't have to take that approach if they are in fact similar. Also, could you cite with sources terroristic actions by the Black Panthers? There's is racial tension currently so yes something could happen, but every "side" could claim that. Some post I read on here indicate some posters are itching for the opportunity to escalate things. Doesn't make me bite my nails, shouldn't make you bite yours. You're either actively trying to heal society by admonishing all bad behavior on all sides or helping to perpetuate the violence you claim you want no parts of. As it stands now, I've seen you talk down to Solid and JFC. Which indicates those are the only ones that you have problem with what they post.
Has B2hibiry ever been to a BLM demonstration, attended a meeting on black issues, did anything to help those in the black community? Doubtful, but now he is an expert on what goes on in the BLM ranks based on statements from some fringe BLM leader in another country?
Here's what happening. When BLM movements started there was an immediate and deliberate backlash, particularly from the right, to try to silence or overshadow what black people have been saying for ages, "our lives don't matter as our much as our white counterparts." We saw the rise of All Lives Matter and Blue Lives Matter, all efforts to deflect away from BLM, racial profiling, police brutality etc. Neither of these movements existed until BLM became vocal. Then as BLM became increasingly vocal and picked up steam even outside black communities there were heightened efforts to de-legitimize the movement: talks of black on black crime, stories on fringe leaders, comparisons with the KKK etc. So now here we are...
Quote:I could draw a parallel between a donkey and an airplane with "that approach". I shouldn't have to take that approach if they are in fact similar. Also, could you cite with sources terroristic actions by the Black Panthers? There's is racial tension currently so yes something could happen, but every "side" could claim that. Some post I read on here indicate some posters are itching for the opportunity to escalate things. Doesn't make me bite my nails, shouldn't make you bite yours. You're either actively trying to heal society by admonishing all bad behavior on all sides or helping to perpetuate the violence you claim you want no parts of. As it stands now, I've seen you talk down to Solid and JFC. Which indicates those are the only ones that you have problem with what they post.
With some of the responses on here, there is a donkey parallel! Besides you, who is drawing a terroristic parallel between any of the aforementioned hate groups? So, you aren't for calling a spade a spade and you believe BLM is legitimate? You advocate for divide and hate groups? Quit bouncing all over and stick with a direction.
I'm pretty sure Solid and JFC don't need a minion to speak on their behalf. This is a message board and I have a problem with nobody, but I will have an opinion and provide fact based rebuttal and even personal knowledge when need be.
Quote:Has B2hibiry ever been to a BLM demonstration, attended a meeting on black issues, did anything to help those in the black community? Doubtful, but now he is an expert on what goes on in the BLM ranks based on statements from some fringe BLM leader in another country?
Nice try on the redirect. You know zero about me or my dealings with the black community. I'm still waiting for these awesome BLM community achievements. Scholarships? Encouraging Black Enterpreanors? Civic Leadership? Anything...
Why demonstrations and not community rallies? Why so many fringe leaders and not an organized system? Why aren't they a registered entity instead of a "movement?
Certainly there are more beneficial foundations and organizations that actually help the black community and represent in a positive manner. These are are the foundations of positive change, not some radical, loosely based club.
Quote:Can someone tell me the killings BLM have done that were racially motivated?
7/8/16 - 5 police officers assassinated during a BLM rally.
That's the tip of the iceberg.
Quote:With some of the responses on here, there is a donkey parallel! Besides you, who is drawing a terroristic parallel between any of the aforementioned hate groups? So, you aren't for calling a spade a spade and you believe BLM is legitimate? You advocate for divide and hate groups? Quit bouncing all over and stick with a direction.
I'm pretty sure Solid and JFC don't need a minion to speak on their behalf. This is a message board and I have a problem with nobody, but I will have an opinion and provide fact based rebuttal and even personal knowledge when need be.
The KKK is notorious because of the domestic terrorism they have committed. No other group within our borders comes close. Saying one is an accepted form of evil (KKK) in society and the other is not (BLM) is a false equivalent, unless you're saying the poster who said these things is referring to their rhetoric being evil and not their past deeds.
This is the poster I originally quoted and responded to, so if I'm a "minion" for JFC and Solid you are too for D6 by your own standards. I never spoke to legitimacy or illegitimacy in my post. I said the two should not be compared.
I don't seek to restrict your posts, it just seems odd that you try to present yourself as unbiased when you're anything but. You don't even have to be unbiased, but you don't have to insult our intelligence and you certainly don't need to hurl insults. They really have no effect anyhow over the Internet.
I'm curious though, what original premise of BLM were you in agreement with??? You later asked for information about where good things were happening with the organization, so I was wondering if those good things didn't pull to the organization what was it?
What did you mean by "blossom into the Black Panthers?" Did you mean develop a breakfast program for neighborhood children?
Quote:Nice try on the redirect. You know zero about me or my dealings with the black community. I'm still waiting for these awesome BLM community achievements. Scholarships? Encouraging Black Enterpreanors? Civic Leadership? Anything...
Why demonstrations and not community rallies? Why so many fringe leaders and not an organized system? Why aren't they a registered entity instead of a "movement?
Certainly there are more beneficial foundations and organizations that actually help the black community and represent in a positive manner. These are are the foundations of positive change, not some radical, loosely based club.
You asking all these questions. Why don't you call up a BLM leader in Jacksonville or in a larger community like Atlanta (Sir Major) is who you want, also on Facebook and ask him these questions since you are so interested. Start there.