Quote:The KKK is notorious because of the domestic terrorism they have committed. No other group within our borders comes close. Saying one is an accepted form of evil (KKK) in society and the other is not (BLM) is a false equivalent, unless you're saying the poster who said these things is referring to their rhetoric being evil and not their past deeds.
This is the poster I originally quoted and responded to, so if I'm a "minion" for JFC and Solid you are too for D6 by your own standards. I never spoke to legitimacy or illegitimacy in my post. I said the two should not be compared.
I don't seek to restrict your posts, it just seems odd that you try to present yourself as unbiased when you're anything but. You don't even have to be unbiased, but you don't have to insult our intelligence and you certainly don't need to hurl insults. They really have no effect anyhow over the Internet.
I'm curious though, what original premise of BLM were you in agreement with??? You later asked for information about where good things were happening with the organization, so I was wondering if those good things didn't pull to the organization what was it?
What did you mean by "blossom into the Black Panthers?" Did you mean develop a breakfast program for neighborhood children?
I'm curious as to where this acceptance for the KKK is coming from. Did you mean to originally quote someone else? Once again, yes there is a modern parallel. From a historical point of view, no there is not. Either way, both need to go and do not provide anything of value, point blank.
Apparently, I hurt someone's feelings while posting here? Biased towards what? Insults? Sounds like you have a bit of bias yourself. Do you read through complete topics or just pick and choose those posters you wish to respond to or support? You may find more context if you read thoroughly through the posts. Perhaps that may give you a more level perspective. Posting for D6? I don't post or attempt to defend anyone on here. If it's wrong it's wrong, I don't care who the poster is. If I have a different opinion, I'll share and once again I don't care who you are.
Well to put it short and sweet, the betterment of the black community. Addressing the black-centric racism in a beneficial manner through dialogue. Avoiding dehumanization. Has this been achieved through non-violent and productive ways? Apparently, I'm disconnected from the black community and those BLM leaders that make a difference, so I am still waiting on those achievements. Instead, I keep getting re-direct and no responses to such.
Black Panthers the hate group. Can't forget their violent history, extortion of political figures in Oakland, drug dealing, etc. right? I will give them props for actually having benefited the black community with schools, the aforementioned breakfast programs, and other social services to the poor, neglected neighborhoods.
Quote:You asking all these questions. Why don't you call up a BLM leader in Jacksonville or in a larger community like Atlanta (Sir Major) is who you want, also on Facebook and ask him these questions since you are so interested. Start there.
I do not have an interest in BLM personally. I believe there are far more beneficial organizations and individuals. I was looking for you to respond. Thanks though, I already have a legitimate circle of strong black leaders that I would much rather converse with and lean on for perspective. While they also see a benefit to the BLM movement, they are also quick to denounce the negative aspects and wish for proper organization, but fear the name has been smeared too much to put full backing behind.
I wonder though, have you heard similar?
Quote:I'm curious as to where this acceptance for the KKK is coming from. Did you mean to originally quote someone else? Once again, yes there is a modern parallel. From a historical point of view, no there is not. Either way, both need to go and do not provide anything of value, point blank.
Apparently, I hurt someone's feelings while posting here? Biased towards what? Insults? Sounds like you have a bit of bias yourself. Do you read through complete topics or just pick and choose those posters you wish to respond to or support? You may find more context if you read thoroughly through the posts. Perhaps that may give you a more level perspective. Posting for D6? I don't post or attempt to defend anyone on here. If it's wrong it's wrong, I don't care who the poster is. If I have a different opinion, I'll share and once again I don't care who you are.
Well to put it short and sweet, the betterment of the black community. Addressing the black-centric racism in a beneficial manner through dialogue. Avoiding dehumanization. Has this been achieved through non-violent and productive ways? Apparently, I'm disconnected from the black community and those BLM leaders that make a difference, so I am still waiting on those achievements. Instead, I keep getting re-direct and no responses to such.
Black Panthers the hate group. Can't forget their violent history, extortion of political figures in Oakland, drug dealing, etc. right? I will give them props for actually having benefited the black community with schools, the aforementioned breakfast programs, and other social services to the poor, neglected neighborhoods.
I originally quoted and responded to D6. Then, you responded to me responding to him. He called them both evil. I was pointing out his calling of them (KKK) being evil was in reference to what they did in the past, not what they are currently doing hence a bad comparison.
You called me a "minion" because I "spoke on their behalf" (your words). If I'm minion in that regard then you are too because you essentially spoke on D6's behalf when my original post was directed at him (thus quotes).
You're active here in the political section so you must thoroughly read through the posts here for context. There's inflammatory things said in here all the time, the only time you find it wrong is when something is said by JFC and Solid. That's bias. That's also ok, no one is going to recognize that lack of consistency as unbiased.
Where exactly did you come to the conclusion that BLM was for the betterment of the black community?
You asked where you could find record of the good things BLM does in the community and then when presented with a way to find it out your response was not interested. We knew you weren't interested to begin with. You pulled the same shenanigans in the other thread asking JFC "words are nice but what action do you take." Then he told you and you responded you didn't want to get in a pissing match. That's sane.
It was a sham question. But you obviously see us as fools. And if you see us as fools, it's hard to imagine you want to help the community. Wolf in sheep's clothing.
Quote:I do not have an interest in BLM personally. I believe there are far more beneficial organizations and individuals. I was looking for you to respond. Thanks though, I already have a legitimate circle of strong black leaders that I would much rather converse with and lean on for perspective. While they also see a benefit to the BLM movement, they are also quick to denounce the negative aspects and wish for proper organization, but fear the name has been smeared too much to put full backing behind.
I wonder though, have you heard similar?
Who composes this circle of strong black leaders? Please share.
Melanin is what plants crave.
Quote:I originally quoted and responded to D6. Then, you responded to me responding to him. He called them both evil. I was pointing out his calling of them (KKK) being evil was in reference to what they did in the past, not what they are currently doing hence a bad comparison.
You called me a "minion" because I "spoke on their behalf" (your words). If I'm minion in that regard then you are too because you essentially spoke on D6's behalf when my original post was directed at him (thus quotes).
You're active here in the political section so you must thoroughly read through the posts here for context. There's inflammatory things said in here all the time, the only time you find it wrong is when something is said by JFC and Solid. That's bias. That's also ok, no one is going to recognize that lack of consistency as unbiased.
Where exactly did you come to the conclusion that BLM was for the betterment of the black community?
You asked where you could find record of the good things BLM does in the community and then when presented with a way to find it out your response was not interested. We knew you weren't interested to begin with. You pulled the same shenanigans in the other thread asking JFC "words are nice but what action do you take." Then he told you and you responded you didn't want to get in a [BAD WORD REMOVED] match. That's sane.
It was a sham question. But you obviously see us as fools. And if you see us as fools, it's hard to imagine you want to help the community. Wolf in sheep's clothing.
See, where we seem to differ is in that fact that you perceive a response to a difference of opinion as inflammatory. That's ok. You do you.
In general terms, was it not the goal of the BLM to encourage the betterment of the black community by addressing issues of inequality, racism, social injustice, etc, real or perceived? My argument is that it has morphed beyond original intent into something more indirect. More on the scope of organizing protest and demonstrations, sometimes pretty aggressively.
It is a typical redirect and flippant response that has been seen here over and over when approached with a direct inquiry. If you are posting in defense of, you have the burden of proof. I can very well go get the answers or in fact, already known, but that defeats the intent of making yours or anyone else's voice heard. The original issue was the positives are not highlighted in open forum. Why? Why isn't the news reporting these things? Newspapers? Heck, even social media to include those directly in association with BLM. Why is it so hard for folks to come up with the positives and throw them out there for all to see? Why such a big secret?
Spare the pity party. You and others have been given the opportunity on this forum to have a voice and to share the positives with those that may not understand. Yet, you and others choose to be defensive and not grasp the opportunity to share. Speak to teach, not just because you have to say something.
Quote:Who composes this circle of strong black leaders? Please share.
Dowling, Hobbs, and others, not that it matters, nor would you know them. By the way, you identified your BLM connection wrong. It's Sir Maejor and didn't BLM try to distance themselves from his radical ways?
Quote:See, where we seem to differ is in that fact that you perceive a response to a difference of opinion as inflammatory. That's ok. You do you.
In general terms, was it not the goal of the BLM to encourage the betterment of the black community by addressing issues of inequality, racism, social injustice, etc, real or perceived? My argument is that it has morphed beyond original intent into something more indirect. More on the scope of organizing protest and demonstrations, sometimes pretty aggressively.
It is a typical redirect and flippant response that has been seen here over and over when approached with a direct inquiry. If you are posting in defense of, you have the burden of proof. I can very well go get the answers or in fact, already known, but that defeats the intent of making yours or anyone else's voice heard. The original issue was the positives are not highlighted in open forum. Why? Why isn't the news reporting these things? Newspapers? Heck, even social media to include those directly in association with BLM. Why is it so hard for folks to come up with the positives and throw them out there for all to see? Why such a big secret?
Spare the pity party. You and others have been given the opportunity on this forum to have a voice and to share the positives with those that may not understand. Yet, you and others choose to be defensive and not grasp the opportunity to share. Speak to teach, not just because you have to say something.
I see we're skipping over the evil comment. It's expected.
"I agreed with the original premise of the Black Lives Matter movement..." I'm asking where did you come upon the "original premise?" Where did you come across this info?
JFC did share and your response to him was flippant, the same with Solid. We're defensive because we don't trust YOUR motives, not because there's something to hide. I wouldn't even characterize it as being defensive. You said you open to dialogue, here it is. Like I said earlier, being patronizing only means you don't take us seriously. Doesn't matter the amount of degrees, doesn't matter the amount of community service. Otherwise, your responses would have been," Great, let's exchange contact info. I'd like to hear more and see if I can be apart of it." It certainly wouldn't be accusing someone of wanting to have a pissing contest for offering info you asked for to begin with.
Speak to teach...there you go again talking down
Quote:Dowling, Hobbs, and others, not that it matters, nor would you know them. By the way, you identified your BLM connection wrong. It's Sir Maejor and didn't BLM try to distance themselves from his radical ways?
I know who Sir Maejor (Oh I missed the "e"....seriously?) is, haven't met him personally but he is well known in the Atlanta metro. Apparently, he has been disavowed (<a class="bbc_url" href='http://news.wabe.org/post/black-lives-matter-disavows-atlanta-president-sir-maejor'>http://news.wabe.org/post/black-lives-matter-disavows-atlanta-president-sir-maejor</a>). Had no idea about his supposed "radical" ways.
What are their first names of Dowling, Hobbs, and others. And where are these BLM members? In Jacksonville or somewhere else?
Quote:I know who Sir Maejor (Oh I missed the "e"....seriously?) is, haven't met him personally but he is well known in the Atlanta metro. Apparently, he has been disavowed (<a class="bbc_url" href='http://news.wabe.org/post/black-lives-matter-disavows-atlanta-president-sir-maejor'>http://news.wabe.org/post/black-lives-matter-disavows-atlanta-president-sir-maejor</a>). Had no idea about his supposed "radical" ways.
What are their first names of Dowling, Hobbs, and others. And where are these BLM members? In Jacksonville or somewhere else?
I don't associate with BLM, I thought that was clear. These individuals are black professionals and not in the Jacksonville area.
BLM is a racist and terrorist organization.
Quote:I see we're skipping over the evil comment. It's expected.
"I agreed with the original premise of the Black Lives Matter movement..." I'm asking where did you come upon the "original premise?" Where did you come across this info?
JFC did share and your response to him was flippant, the same with Solid. We're defensive because we don't trust YOUR motives, not because there's something to hide. I wouldn't even characterize it as being defensive. You said you open to dialogue, here it is. Like I said earlier, being patronizing only means you don't take us seriously. Doesn't matter the amount of degrees, doesn't matter the amount of community service. Otherwise, your responses would have been," Great, let's exchange contact info. I'd like to hear more and see if I can be apart of it." It certainly wouldn't be accusing someone of wanting to have a [BAD WORD REMOVED] contest for offering info you asked for to begin with.
Speak to teach...there you go again talking down
Why should I comment on the "evil" comment? It was another poster, not me. You need to go back and read as you are mixing and parsing comments.
You can believe and trust what you want. I'm not here to convince one way or another. I'm flattered you want to make the topic of BLM about me, but just not the case. I'm interested in yours and others perspective as to why it should be considered a positive thing. Once again, we hear and see the bad consistently, why not the good?
So this is dialogue huh? I keep giving you the opportunity to express and teach, but you keep taking it as an insult. It was a paraphrased quote from Plato meaning to share some knowledge by conversation, but don't talk just to talk. Does this mean you can't or won't provide anything on the OP? This circle has gone around more than once and it's getting tiring.
Quote:Why should I comment on the "evil" comment? It was another poster, not me. You need to go back and read as you are mixing and parsing comments.
You can believe and trust what you want. I'm not here to convince one way or another. I'm flattered you want to make the topic of BLM about me, but just not the case. I'm interested in yours and others perspective as to why it should be considered a positive thing. Once again, we hear and see the bad consistently, why not the good?
So this is dialogue huh? I keep giving you the opportunity to express and teach, but you keep taking it as an insult. It was a paraphrased quote from Plato meaning to share some knowledge by conversation, but don't talk just to talk. Does this mean you can't or won't provide anything on the OP? This circle has gone around more than once and it's getting tiring.
The reason you would comment on it is you originally responded to me (post#27) when I was originally responding to another poster (#7) in post #22.
"Are we talking body of work or current events? Honestly, does it make BLM anymore legitimate today or defend their idiocy?"
I initially wasn't even talking to you, but since you were kind enough to respond, I responded back. Now you don't know how all this started...
I guess BL don't M much in Jacksonville.
Quote:Let's be clear, the KKK is vilified less for its rhetoric and more for dragging ppl from their homes, torturing and then hanging them. There's plenty of existing info on this if you don't know. No other group even compares in scope or body of work in this area.
I'll never defend the KKK. Anyone that associates with them deserves what's coming to them.
Having said that, BLM is a very dangerous organization that threatens the safety of law enforcement officials and society at large. What occurred in Charlotte last September, on top of the 5 police offices in Dallas being killed earlier, is enough evidence for me to know what society is up against.
https://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/09/22...errorists/
Quote:I'll never defend the KKK. Anyone that associates with them deserves what's coming to them.
Having said that, BLM is a very dangerous organization that threatens the safety of law enforcement officials and society at large. What occurred in Charlotte last September, on top of the 5 police offices in Dallas being killed earlier, is enough evidence for me to know what society is up against.
https://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/09/22...errorists/
When they are credited with "protests" while chanting "
What do we want? Dead cops. When to we want them? Right now!" it shows that clearly this is a terrorist organization. This has nothing to do with programs to help the black community or anyone else. It's all about violence and "anti law enforcement" in retaliation to the legal and justified shooting of black criminals.
The link that I posted has the handle #Blacklivesmatter. Regardless of how some of our friends on this board try to spin the "movement", it's a violent, racist, terrorist "movement".
Quote:When they are credited with "protests" while chanting "What do we want? Dead cops. When to we want them? Right now!" it shows that clearly this is a terrorist organization. This has nothing to do with programs to help the black community or anyone else. It's all about violence and "anti law enforcement" in retaliation to the legal and justified shooting of black criminals.
The link that I posted has the handle #Blacklivesmatter. Regardless of how some of our friends on this board try to spin the "movement", it's a violent, racist, terrorist "movement".
I completely agree.
Also, at any given moment of a BLM rally, violence and/ or vandalism can erupt. It's a movement that figuratively ends up pouring fire on gasoline and sometimes in essence literally.
I challenge our friends on the board here to point out the good things that BLM has done. Name one program that actually solves a problem or does good for the community or society as a whole.
I wonder what CVS thinks about BLM and it's "peaceful" protests haha
Quote:The reason you would comment on it is you originally responded to me (post#27) when I was originally responding to another poster (#7) in post #22.
"Are we talking body of work or current events? Honestly, does it make BLM anymore legitimate today or defend their idiocy?"
I initially wasn't even talking to you, but since you were kind enough to respond, I responded back. Now you don't know how all this started...
Whether talking to me or not, I posed a question (referenced above), actually several, that have yet to be answered by you or anyone else seemingly defending BLM.