Quote:He is a educated, sophisticated black man at that.
Just like how Italians, Asians, and Russians support their own popular political/ celebrities in their own heritage, black people can do the same thing and it not be considered racist.
edit* I have also been critical of Obama regarding his foreign policy (on here specifically) as well as the GLBT Marriage issue.
WOW. You actually vote. Can you name even one thing that he did for America as President?
Quote:Right now you still have the right to refuse service as a private individual or business on the federal level. Some states have passed anti-discrimination laws for the LGBT community but it's not a federally protected minority class yet. I agree with you that it shouldn't be a protected minority class that people should be able to reserve the right to refuse service or association.
However I do find this a fascinating topic with you because I'm sure you support other anti-discriminatory laws. Why do you support anti-discrimination laws for some and not others? Your religious belief maybe that homosexuality is a sin and you should not condone or participate in anyway. Someone else's religious belief might be that black people are sinful and they shouldn't associate with them what's the difference?
Just to clear up some things, I dont support anti-discrimination laws against the GLBT community.
I support equality for all genders.
I dont support changing or redefining the biblical or historical definition of marriage. I also believe a couple's religious freedom of expression should not be compromised or violated all because they dont agree with a certain lifestyle. There is a slippery slope that is crossed when you begin to tell people they must go against certain beliefs to cater to others because its the law.
Im gonna stop before I go too far. I already received a warning for the religious talk.
Quote:WOW. You actually vote. Can you name even one thing that he did for America as President?
Yeah the african obama kids vote
and he cut unemployment down by 7 percent, reduced welfare benefits, brought gas prices down to under 2.70, brought our troops home from Iraq.
Its alot more that the african obama kids can tell you about Barry's success.
Quote:Yeah the african obama kids vote
and he cut unemployment down by 7 percent, reduced welfare benefits, brought gas prices down to under 2.70, brought our troops home from Iraq.
Its alot more that the african obama kids can tell you about Barry's success.
The African Obama kids vote? I'm not sure how to respond to this. Are you saying that his accomplishment is getting out the vote for African Americans?
Cut unemployment down by 7 percent? Can you cite anything that proves this (wrong) allegation?
I can't go through the rest of the things that you cited, but WOW you are clearly misguided.
Are the "African Obama kids" better off today than they were 7 years ago?
Quote:See my response to eric.
You mean recent history. Not actual history.
Quote:Just to clear up some things, I dont support anti-discrimination laws against the GLBT community.
I support equality for all genders.
I dont support changing or redefining the biblical or historical definition of marriage. I also believe a couple's religious freedom of expression should not be compromised or violated all because they dont agree with a certain lifestyle. There is a slippery slope that is crossed when you begin to tell people they must go against certain beliefs to cater to others because its the law.
Im gonna stop before I go too far. I already received a warning for the religious talk.
I was asking you how you can support anti-discrimination laws for minorities but not for gays? Why is it society should protect you and not others?
Why is it society should give you equal access and not gays?
Don't give me the religion line. I'm religious as much as anyone that doesn't change politics that's an excuse. If your for discrimination laws to protect individuals how can you differentiate who is protected and who is not? I'm all for private property rights so across the board i have problems with discrimination laws but what your advocating is protecting some and not others.
Quote:I was asking you how you can support anti-discrimination laws for minorities but not for gays? Why is it society should protect you and not others?
Why is it society should give you equal access and not gays?
Don't give me the religion line. I'm religious as much as anyone that doesn't change politics that's an excuse. If your for discrimination laws to protect individuals how can you differentiate who is protected and who is not? I'm all for private property rights so across the board i have problems with discrimination laws but what your advocating is protecting some and not others.
You just defined hypocrisy.
Just like the pick n choosers. A business owner won't bake a wedding cake for a gay couple due to religious beliefs. But say nothing about baking an anniversary cake for someone whose been divorced three times. Who has stolen at one time. Had an affair. Or is an atheist.
The USA...United States of Agendas.
Quote:You just defined hypocrisy.
Just like the pick n choosers. A business owner won't bake a wedding cake for a gay couple due to religious beliefs. But say nothing about baking an anniversary cake for someone whose been divorced three times. Who has stolen at one time. Had an affair. Or is an atheist.
The USA...United States of Agendas.
No it's not the same private business and private individuals have a right to pick who they do business with and who the associate with, for now.
Quote:You just defined hypocrisy.
Just like the pick n choosers. A business owner won't bake a wedding cake for a gay couple due to religious beliefs. But say nothing about baking an anniversary cake for someone whose been divorced three times. Who has stolen at one time. Had an affair. Or is an atheist.
The USA...United States of Agendas.
Their business, their choice.
Quote:Their business, their choice.
Not according to some state laws.
Quote:Not according to some state laws.
Legal doesn't mean moral.
Quote:Legal doesn't mean moral.
Discrimination is moral. Got it.
Quote:The African Obama kids vote? I'm not sure how to respond to this. Are you saying that his accomplishment is getting out the vote for African Americans?
Cut unemployment down by 7 percent? Can you cite anything that proves this (wrong) allegation?
I can't go through the rest of the things that you cited, but WOW you are clearly misguided.
Are the "African Obama kids" better off today than they were 7 years ago?
<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/march_april_2012/features/obamas_top_50_accomplishments035755.php?page=all'>http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/march_april_2012/features/obamas_top_50_accomplishments035755.php?page=all</a>
You'll dismiss it anyway.
Quote:I was asking you how you can support anti-discrimination laws for minorities but not for gays? Why is it society should protect you and not others?
Why is it society should give you equal access and not gays?
Don't give me the religion line. I'm religious as much as anyone that doesn't change politics that's an excuse. If your for discrimination laws to protect individuals how can you differentiate who is protected and who is not? I'm all for private property rights so across the board i have problems with discrimination laws but what your advocating is protecting some and not others.
First off, it's not discrimination to disagree with someone lifestyle because of a difference of religious beliefs.
Race and alternative lifestyles are two totally different issues at the opposite ends of the spectrum. One is something you are born with, the other is a choice. Is it fair to not bake a cake for someone who is black and have no control or choice at birth vs someone who chose to life a lifestyle that suits them since birth that conflicts with someone's beliefs?
This may blow your mind, but there are some black people who are liberal who disagree with that lifestyle because it doesn't fit their preference.
This issue runs deeper for me because of religious reasons so yes I'm giving you the "excuse", or "line" to refrain from discussing that aspect of my viewpoints.
Quote:No it's not the same private business and private individuals have a right to pick who they do business with and who the associate with, for now.
And private businesses still can even if new legislation is passed. Stop being nieve.
There are businesses who cater to a certain demographic.
Quote:Obama's skin color may be similar to yours, but he is hardly representative of African American culture. He is not descended from American slaves. His father was Nigerian, his mother a white woman. He spent much of his childhood overseas. There were reasons to vote for him if you were of a similar mindset politically, but his skin color was not one of them. I wouldn't vote for Bernie Sanders because he was a pasty white guy, even if all of the other candidates weren't.
What the hell.
He grew up and was educated here in America.
The birth certificate debate is so 2008.