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Quote:To dismiss his upbringing all because of his technically about his father's bloodline means you are questioning his citizenship.

 

No, it doesn't. 

Quote:Bottom line is Obama is biracial but identifies with his African American heritage more.

He grew up in the U.S. Received his education and college degrees in the U.S.

To dismiss his upbringing all because of his technically about his father's bloodline means you are questioning his citizenship.

Wouldn't that be technically his African heritage, being that he is a first generation American?

Quote:C'mon, rollerjag. What you described was that anyone could consider themselves black. If you'd like to reword it to say something else, then feel free to do so, but anyone can fit the criteria that you described. 

 

I admit I did not know what you were talking about at first. Yes, I worded it incorrectly, though I felt my point was obvious.

 

Without commenting on the effect on his policies, a black person must not be descended from African slaves to experience what it means to be an African-American, nor must both parents be African-American. If one parent is, a considerable number of people will consider that person to be black, and his life experience may well reflect it.

 

Better?

Quote:But that's exactly what you're saying.  "People shouldn't be allowed to legally discriminate against black people, even if it interferes with their beliefs.  But they should absolutely be allowed to discriminate against gay people if it interferes with their beliefs."  Doesn't matter if you're born gay, choose to be gay, or what.  Plain and simple.  I mean otherwise religious discrimination would be fine, because you aren't born with a religion.

That's not what I'm saying at all.


What I have said for about the 4th time in the thread I support equal rights for the GLBT community. I want my rights respected as well.

Quote:No, it doesn't.

Ok.

Quote:Wouldn't that be technically his African heritage, being that he is a first generation American?

He acknowledges it, but he identifies with the AA culture more.

Quote:Are you purposely ignoring my point about me saying I support equal rights for the GLBT community, I just don't want my rights infringed upon? How hard is that to grasp? Please wipe that shocked look off your face in regards to some minorities believing the definition of marriage is between a man and a woman.


You are trying desperately to spin this into a "pass discrimination laws against some, but not against others" agenda.


So it sounds like you did some research on people born gay. Good because I want you to back it up!

I have no clue if people are born gay or straight and it doesn't matter. You are defending discrimination laws for ethnicity but then saying it shouldn't extend to other groups because of your religious beliefs.


Here's the shocker me and you probably share the same beliefs. However I don't support imposing those beliefs on anyone through legislation of the state.


That's why discrimination laws ALL of them are unjust. To make my point you have a problem with homosexuality due to your belief system so you should reserve the right to refuse service or association with them if you choose. I support that, and for that SAME reason you have to recognize others might hold the same beliefs about race or gender or whatever. If I'm going to expect my belief system to allow me to refuse service or association I have to grant that same right to others no matter how offensive I find it. Otherwise what is the basis for who's beliefs are protected and who's are not?

Quote:He acknowledges it, but he identifies with the AA culture more.

Culture and heritage are two different things.

Quote:Bottom line is Obama is biracial but identifies with his African American heritage more.


He grew up in the U.S. Received his education and college degrees in the U.S.

To dismiss his upbringing all because of his technically about his father's bloodline means you are questioning his citizenship.

 

Feel free to keep trying to put words in my mouth.  I have never questioned his citizenship.  I simply pointed out how his childhood and upbringing does not equate to identification with most blacks in main stream U.S.A..  

Quote:Feel free to keep trying to put words in my mouth.  I have never questioned his citizenship.  I simply pointed out how his childhood and upbringing does not equate to identification with most blacks in main stream U.S.A..  

 

This was my original point. Let me add that the typical African American does not get to go to Harvard, or become a member of a country club.

Quote:This was my original point. Let me add that the typical African American does not get to go to Harvard, or become a member of a country club.

 

That does not necessarily mean African-Americans who attend Harvard or belong to country clubs have no clue what it means to be an African-American in the U.S. As with all Americans, everyone's experience has permutations.

Quote:This was my original point. Let me add that the typical African American does not get to go to Harvard, or become a member of a country club.

And they can play basketball too, not to mention throw a baseball without looking like they're in the middle of a seizure, and ride a bike without the mom jeans and dome armor.

Quote:That does not necessarily mean African-Americans who attend Harvard or belong to country clubs have no clue what it means to be an African-American in the U.S. As with all Americans, everyone's experience has permutations.

 

True, but that was just two of many. There are an awful lot of differences between Obama and a mainstream African American. Do you really think Obama relates at all to African American culture? He was handed everything on a silver spoon. The guy probably never worked an honest day in his life.

Quote:The guy probably never worked an honest day in his life.

Have you ever been the President?

Quote:Have you ever been the President?

He said "honest."

Quote:So do the rights of <a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/07/02/christian-bakers-fined-135000-for-refusing-to-make-wedding-cake-for-lesbians.html?intcmp=latestnews'>this couple</a> matter? Should they, via their private business be forced to do something that is against their belief? Is it fair to fine them $135,000 and award it to the gay couple because of the "emotional suffering" the gay couple supposedly experienced?

I heard the fine was because they released the gay couple's information in order to shame the couple, not because they refused to bake the cake... can anyone confirm that?

Quote:Have you ever been the President?

 

Twice, but not in succession.

Quote:I heard the fine was because they released the gay couple's information in order to shame the couple, not because they refused to bake the cake... can anyone confirm that?

 

That was a false post.


 

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/07/...areButtons

Quote:That was a false post.


 

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/07/...areButtons

They did post their private information on the internet for all to see, inciting death threats on top potentially losing their foster children (whom they have adopted) due to the hubbub surounding the whole situation. However, no, it's not what the fine was for. 

 

What they were fined for is, however a law on the books here in Oregon. They broke the law. An argument could be made the fine was excessive however. 

Quote:They did post their private information on the internet for all to see, inciting death threats on top potentially losing their foster children (whom they have adopted) due to the hubbub surounding the whole situation. However, no, it's not what the fine was for.


What they were fined for is, however a law on the books here in Oregon. They broke the law. An argument could be made the fine was excessive however.

Thanks for the clarification.