Haven't been impressed with him or Travon at all this year. Part of it has to do with the Jags having the weakest interior DL in the league too.

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I've stopped listening to my brain months ago.  But my eyes still tell me that JHA did not perform to the contract we signed him to.  This was clearly a down year for him.  And it's not just me that thinks that:

https://www.tiktok.com/@1010xl/video/745...2585961758


I could take back the hyperbole of calling him "invisible".  But honestly, there are times throughout every game where I forget that there's a 41 on the field at all.  We paid the guy good money.  For the money we paid him, he didn't live up to the expectations any of us had for him.

Saying he "played well" based on the expectations for him this year is an indictment, not a defense.

Yeah, I get it, our DC is trash and our interior D-Linemem were not getting the job done either.  But a guy like 41 should have still been able to perform better than he did.  Just my opinion, but I think he had a disappointing year.

How did a brand new scheme impact his play?
How did mediocre play from the interior impact his play?
How did the linebacker and secondary play impact his play?

If the play around him was better, then do you think his stats would be acceptable?

I'll agree his stats are below expectations, but his tape is on point. 
My only gripe on tape is both him and Walker didnt defend the edge too well and I chalk that up to new scheme.

With that said, I expect more stats from him and I expect more leadership and setting a higher level of expectation of himself and his defense.

He got paid and looked like a shell of himself from last year.  None of anything you said should have affected his drop off in production.  And yet it did, right?  I don't have tape.  But I watch every game.  And 41 had so many games where he was non-existent.  So you want to talk about pressures?  

Here's Fox Sports stats on "Hurries".  Hurries and pressures are the same thing in terms of our discussion.

https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/stats?cate...Order=desc

JHA is not even in the top 25!!!  He plays the edge, he can't get close enough to the QB to even record a hurry...  Interesting enough Walker is in the top 10...

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Like many of the Defensive players, they made JHA add at least 15 pounds this season. Which was absolutely stupid. Oh you just had a career year with 17 sacks? Lets slow you down by adding some un-needed weight.

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How did a brand new scheme impact his play?
How did mediocre play from the interior impact his play?
How did the linebacker and secondary play impact his play?

If the play around him was better, then do you think his stats would be acceptable?

I'll agree his stats are below expectations, but his tape is on point. 
My only gripe on tape is both him and Walker didnt defend the edge too well and I chalk that up to new scheme.

With that said, I expect more stats from him and I expect more leadership and setting a higher level of expectation of himself and his defense.

He got paid and looked like a shell of himself from last year.  None of anything you said should have affected his drop off in production.  And yet it did, right?  I don't have tape.  But I watch every game.  And 41 had so many games where he was non-existent.  So you want to talk about pressures?  

Here's Fox Sports stats on "Hurries".  Hurries and pressures are the same thing in terms of our discussion.

https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/stats?cate...Order=desc

JHA is not even in the top 25!!!  He plays the edge, he can't get close enough to the QB to even record a hurry...  Interesting enough Walker is in the top 10...

I agree he is a shell of himself from last year, but he's also playing the exact same he has the rest of his career here. So, is this what is expected moving forward and 2023 was a contract freak year or will he elevate and become a consistent 2023 Josh Allen. This year he was in the norm of all the other seasons prior, and that is unfortunate.

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Like many of the Defensive players, they made JHA add at least 15 pounds this season. Which was absolutely stupid. Oh you just had a career year with 17 sacks? Lets slow you down by adding some un-needed weight.

fully agree, so dumb to add that weight, I noticed it in the offseason videos I'd guess it's way more than 15. 15 pounds to a guy with that frame isn't that much, it looks more like 30.

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Bro look at that secondary behind him. Straight cheeks

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Haven't been impressed with him or Travon at all this year. Part of it has to do with the Jags having the weakest interior DL in the league too.

I agree with the highlighted part but also think the secondary contributed big time as well.  If you think about it, it is very hard to get a sack when receivers are running wide open.  The quarterback will just avoid the sack by  throwing the ball to the open receiver.

I don't get all of the JHA hate.  He's one of our best defensive players.  Give him a good supporting cast and his stats will go back to being elite.

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If the Jaguars defense fails to get an interception against the Colts tomorrow, they will finish the season with 6 defensive interceptions. That would be tied with the worst in Jaguars History.

That defense needs an upgraded secondary just as bad as a disruptive DT. Maason Smith could be that dude and I would love for him to finish the season with 5 sacks.

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Anyone have information on the "personal reason" that is preventing Josh from playing/traveling with the team this week?  I would think that putting up less than half of his sacks from last year (after having gotten the cash) would be motivation enough.  I hate to say it but the "contract year" platitude looks to be correct in JHA's case.

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Can we leave the personal insults behind for a while and get back to some semblance of topic, gents?
Please, and thank you.

Anyone have information on the "personal reason" that is preventing Josh from playing/traveling with the team this week?  I would think that putting up less than half of his sacks from last year (after having gotten the cash) would be motivation enough.  I hate to say it but the "contract year" platitude looks to be correct in JHA's case.

Likely just doing his part to help make sure the draft pick is as high as possible and the house gets thoroughly cleaned tomorrow.

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JHA has been underwhelming this year but him and travon are the least of my worries. This has been a horrible year for just about everyone with the exception of BTJ. Kinda hard to judge him when the entire team has been so bad.

Get a new D coordinator and reinforce the interior of the line and we should see Allen return to form.

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He's been missed today so far for sure.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

JHA has been underwhelming this year but him and travon are the least of my worries. This has been a horrible year for just about everyone with the exception of BTJ. Kinda hard to judge him when the entire team has been so bad.

Get a new D coordinator and reinforce the interior of the line and we should see Allen return to form.

It just feels weird to me. Top 5 DE's are normally bus drivers. They force the issue whether or not the scheme is poorly designed or surrounded by mediocre talent. 

Like how many elite DE's have been a member of 3 bottom 5 defenses, 1 bottom 10 defense, and 2 average defenses?

He may not be the problem, but he is a very good but not elite DE who is getting paid like a star elite DE. 

You cannot do that with too many players on your team or you just run out of cap space/resources to build a championship worth roster.

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I takes about 30 seconds on Spotrac or PFF to find these numbers. That's why I am incredulous that so many people take so many crazy positions that fly in the face of the actual numbers. It's not  like they are hard to find.

Exactly. 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com is easy and it's a wealth of information right at your finger tips.

this is my go-to as well.

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Exactly. 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com is easy and it's a wealth of information right at your finger tips.

this is my go-to as well.

Yes, it's a good site.  It was better years ago before they pay walled some of the features for being able to search for specific types of plays or results.  I still like it and it doesn't really have any competition for the information it provides, but I'm not paying for it.

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