While you like to look at stats though,  even though they had more sacks, Kancey had highest interior pass rush grade in the country
with a  92.4 interior pass rush grade

Depending on the combine numbers, I'm hoping that Kancey falls to the Jaguars in round 2. Teams may shy away from him due to his undersized frame. I'd be more than willing to take that risk due to his ability to rush the passer from the inside. At worst, he'd be a rotational player used on passing downs who has the potential to get 8-10 sacks as a rookie. At best, he'd be a "poor man's" Aaron Donald, although their styles are not exactly alike.

Of course I would love to get him in the 2nd being I'd take him at 24 pending on a good combine.  Torrence at 24 and Kancey inches 2nd would be a dream first 2 picks for me.  Kancey at the combine will be the player I want to see the most there.  Clark Phillips is the other player that I hope falls to our 2nd pick.  I think he might be the best nickle corner in the draft with Witherspoon and could play at a high level on the outside.  I still feel Porter Jr though is the best outside corner in the draft.

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L:G and Nickel for sure. Safety though? Maybe in the late rounds but I feel a greater need is pass rush, both edge and interior, early in this draft. Of course, that depends on what moves we make in FA (both in resigning and new acquisitions). Still, big uglies up front on both sides of LOS should be paramount in the plans this offseason. JMO

Yes, I think pass rush is our biggest need with interior oline next.  But I'm not reaching for either to take a lesser player.  I'm taking BPA and I think Safety could fall into that in the 3rd or the 4th.

This……pass rush…..Colts proved you can get by with average secondary if you have two good defensive ends. Fix this area and this team will be hard to stop.

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Depending on the combine numbers, I'm hoping that Kancey falls to the Jaguars in round 2. Teams may shy away from him due to his undersized frame. I'd be more than willing to take that risk due to his ability to rush the passer from the inside. At worst, he'd be a rotational player used on passing downs who has the potential to get 8-10 sacks as a rookie. At best, he'd be a "poor man's" Aaron Donald, although their styles are not exactly alike.

Of course I would love to get him in the 2nd being I'd take him at 24 pending on a good combine.  Torrence at 24 and Kancey inches 2nd would be a dream first 2 picks for me.  Kancey at the combine will be the player I want to see the most there.  Clark Phillips is the other player that I hope falls to our 2nd pick.  I think he might be the best nickle corner in the draft with Witherspoon and could play at a high level on the outside.  I still feel Porter Jr though is the best outside corner in the draft.

Yea, Torrence and Kancey would be tough to beat. I agree with you about Phillips. If Kancey is off the board, I'd strongly consider Phillips at that point. No doubt that the Jaguars need to get better at pass rush (inside and out).

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I am not a huge Kancey fan. I'd rather have DE/DT Karl Brooks of Bowling Green a little later in the draft. I liked what I saw of Brooks in the Senior Bowl and during the practices. I also like a little know guy that I saw in the Hawaii Bowl from San Diego State, named Jonah Tavai. He was a one man wrecking crew against MTSU. I know MTSU isn't really a powerhouse, but I looked him up and the kid has been doing it all year. He is almost the exact same size as Kancey and last year alone Tavai had 61 pressures and 10 sacks. He could be a steal in the late rounds. Both Brooks and Tavai had significantly more pressures and more sacks than Kancey.

I like Brooks but I'm not taking him over Kancey.  I'm not looking at the sack or pressure numbers I'm looking at his traits and what he does well.  I think his quickness at the DT position is unmatched in this draft and it will give problems to lineman at the next level.  Of course I want to see if he tests well at the combine to confirm the tape.  If he kills the combine he is my top guy where we pick

Everyone looks at different things when evaluating players. Personally, I could care less about traits. I believe when you look at traits and "potential" over production, it leads you to making risky decisions like drafting Travon Walker over "Sauce" Gardner and Aiden Hutchinson. Gimme production any day. That's just my take though. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions.

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I am not a huge Kancey fan. I'd rather have DE/DT Karl Brooks of Bowling Green a little later in the draft. I liked what I saw of Brooks in the Senior Bowl and during the practices. I also like a little know guy that I saw in the Hawaii Bowl from San Diego State, named Jonah Tavai. He was a one man wrecking crew against MTSU. I know MTSU isn't really a powerhouse, but I looked him up and the kid has been doing it all year. He is almost the exact same size as Kancey and last year alone Tavai had 61 pressures and 10 sacks. He could be a steal in the late rounds. Both Brooks and Tavai had significantly more pressures and more sacks than Kancey.

While you like to look at stats though,  even though they had more sacks, Kancey had highest interior pass rush grade in the country
with a  92.4 interior pass rush grade

I have no idea what goes into grading a DT. IMO, the only thing that matters is production. Like I said, everyone has different ways of evaluating talent.

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Witherspoon is taylor made for the nickle corner imo with his play style, I think Porter Jr is the best corner in this draft. I also think Clark Phillips has become underrated in mocks recently.  3 positions I think we can really upgrade in the draft this year is LG, S, and nickel corner.  I think this draft is set up really nicely to feel those positions. We have 2 4th round picks also.  Jenkins will be a freat mentor this year for whatever safety we draft and can take over full time next year

L:G and Nickel for sure. Safety though? Maybe in the late rounds but I feel a greater need is pass rush, both edge and interior, early in this draft. Of course, that depends on what moves we make in FA (both in resigning and new acquisitions). Still, big uglies up front on both sides of LOS should be paramount in the plans this offseason. JMO

The Safety position will all depend on what we do with Rashawn Jenkins. If he stays, we might not even draft a Safety. If he gets cut, it might be a high priority. Who knows? I totally agree about the pass rush though. That has to improve. I still believe Travon Walker was a bad pick as an OLB/4-3 DE. I think he is best utilized as a 3-4 DE/4-3 DT. Josh Allen will play like a "beast" one game and completely disappear for the next 4 games and we get zero pass rush from the interior. Something has to be done.

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I like Brooks but I'm not taking him over Kancey.  I'm not looking at the sack or pressure numbers I'm looking at his traits and what he does well.  I think his quickness at the DT position is unmatched in this draft and it will give problems to lineman at the next level.  Of course I want to see if he tests well at the combine to confirm the tape.  If he kills the combine he is my top guy where we pick

Everyone looks at different things when evaluating players. Personally, I could care less about traits. I believe when you look at traits and "potential" over production, it leads you to making risky decisions like drafting Travon Walker over "Sauce" Gardner and Aiden Hutchinson. Gimme production any day. That's just my take though. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions.

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While you like to look at stats though,  even though they had more sacks, Kancey had highest interior pass rush grade in the country
with a  92.4 interior pass rush grade

I have no idea what goes into grading a DT. IMO, the only thing that matters is production. Like I said, everyone has different ways of evaluating talent.

It still remains to be seen if Walker was the right pick or not. You need to look at both, production and potential. Traits and athletic ability as well.  There is a lot of things that go into grading a DT other than a sack number.  If you just look at college production you are the guy that is taking Case Keenum and Timmy Chang in the first round.  If you just look at a stat sheet or a sack number that can be a fool's errand.  With that said, Kancey had very good production as well at the DT spot the last 2 years with 14 sacks, ACC Defensive Player of the Year, 2x 1st team All ACC, Unanimous All American.

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L:G and Nickel for sure. Safety though? Maybe in the late rounds but I feel a greater need is pass rush, both edge and interior, early in this draft. Of course, that depends on what moves we make in FA (both in resigning and new acquisitions). Still, big uglies up front on both sides of LOS should be paramount in the plans this offseason. JMO

The Safety position will all depend on what we do with Rashawn Jenkins. If he stays, we might not even draft a Safety. If he gets cut, it might be a high priority. Who knows? I totally agree about the pass rush though. That has to improve. I still believe Travon Walker was a bad pick as an OLB/4-3 DE. I think he is best utilized as a 3-4 DE/4-3 DT. Josh Allen will play like a "beast" one game and completely disappear for the next 4 games and we get zero pass rush from the interior. Something has to be done.

It shouldnt matter imo because even if he doesnt get cut this is likely his last year here.  If a safety is at the top of your board you take him regardless if Jenkins is here or not.

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Everyone looks at different things when evaluating players. Personally, I could care less about traits. I believe when you look at traits and "potential" over production, it leads you to making risky decisions like drafting Travon Walker over "Sauce" Gardner and Aiden Hutchinson. Gimme production any day. That's just my take though. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions.

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I have no idea what goes into grading a DT. IMO, the only thing that matters is production. Like I said, everyone has different ways of evaluating talent.

It still remains to be seen if Walker was the right pick or not. You need to look at both, production and potential. Traits and athletic ability as well.  There is a lot of things that go into grading a DT other than a sack number.  If you just look at college production you are the guy that is taking Case Keenum and Timmy Chang in the first round.  If you just look at a stat sheet or a sack number that can be a fool's errand.  With that said, Kancey had very good production as well at the DT spot the last 2 years with 14 sacks, ACC Defensive Player of the Year, 2x 1st team All ACC, Unanimous All American.

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The Safety position will all depend on what we do with Rashawn Jenkins. If he stays, we might not even draft a Safety. If he gets cut, it might be a high priority. Who knows? I totally agree about the pass rush though. That has to improve. I still believe Travon Walker was a bad pick as an OLB/4-3 DE. I think he is best utilized as a 3-4 DE/4-3 DT. Josh Allen will play like a "beast" one game and completely disappear for the next 4 games and we get zero pass rush from the interior. Something has to be done.

It shouldnt matter imo because even if he doesnt get cut this is likely his last year here.  If a safety is at the top of your board you take him regardless if Jenkins is here or not.

Not really, because that is not a fair comparison at all. With QB's especially, you have to look at the system they came from. Both Case Keenum and Timmy Chang were very small QB's who came from the pass happy "Air Raid" offense at Houston and the "Run & Shoot" at Hawaii. They had ridiculously inflated pass stats due to the system they were in. Virtually any QB could succeed in those schemes. It's not fair at all to compare the production of DT's to QB's. There are a ton of factors in evaluations of a QB that don't have anything to do with the DT position.

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It still remains to be seen if Walker was the right pick or not. You need to look at both, production and potential. Traits and athletic ability as well.  There is a lot of things that go into grading a DT other than a sack number.  If you just look at college production you are the guy that is taking Case Keenum and Timmy Chang in the first round.  If you just look at a stat sheet or a sack number that can be a fool's errand.  With that said, Kancey had very good production as well at the DT spot the last 2 years with 14 sacks, ACC Defensive Player of the Year, 2x 1st team All ACC, Unanimous All American.

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It shouldnt matter imo because even if he doesnt get cut this is likely his last year here.  If a safety is at the top of your board you take him regardless if Jenkins is here or not.

Not really, because that is not a fair comparison at all. With QB's especially, you have to look at the system they came from. Both Case Keenum and Timmy Chang were very small QB's who came from the pass happy "Air Raid" offense at Houston and the "Run & Shoot" at Hawaii. They had ridiculously inflated pass stats due to the system they were in. Virtually any QB could succeed in those schemes. It's not fair at all to compare the production of DT's to QB's. There are a ton of factors in evaluations of a QB that don't have anything to do with the DT position.

You can do this with every position. Production in college while nice, doesn't mean production in the NFL and vise versa.

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Not really, because that is not a fair comparison at all. With QB's especially, you have to look at the system they came from. Both Case Keenum and Timmy Chang were very small QB's who came from the pass happy "Air Raid" offense at Houston and the "Run & Shoot" at Hawaii. They had ridiculously inflated pass stats due to the system they were in. Virtually any QB could succeed in those schemes. It's not fair at all to compare the production of DT's to QB's. There are a ton of factors in evaluations of a QB that don't have anything to do with the DT position.

You can do this with every position. Production in college while nice,  doesn't mean production in the NFL and vise versa.

Neither does traits, athletic ability or potential. Sometimes you can have a very athletic player with all the potential in the world, who just doesn't have the drive, intelligence, instincts or whatever to be the player you need them to be. It happens all the time. All systems of evaluating players are just "crap shoots." Different people just evaluate on whatever system they believe works best.

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You can do this with every position. Production in college while nice,  doesn't mean production in the NFL and vise versa.

Neither does traits, athletic ability or potential. Sometimes you can have a very athletic player with all the potential in the world, who just doesn't have the drive, intelligence, instincts or whatever to be the player you need them to be. It happens all the time. All systems of evaluating players are just "crap shoots." Different people just evaluate on whatever system they believe works best.

That's why I said you have to look at everything, you can't just look at a stat sheet.

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Neither does traits, athletic ability or potential. Sometimes you can have a very athletic player with all the potential in the world, who just doesn't have the drive, intelligence, instincts or whatever to be the player you need them to be. It happens all the time. All systems of evaluating players are just "crap shoots." Different people just evaluate on whatever system they believe works best.

That's why I said you have to look at everything, you can't just look at a stat sheet.

Of course, you don't look at just the stat sheet. You weigh a variety of factors. I was simply implying that people take those varying factors and place more emphasis in certain areas. I happen to place production higher than you may place it when evaluating players, but that isn't the only thing to look at. You do you and I'll judge players the way I'm comfortable judging them. In the end, it doesn't matter what neither of us would do anyway. I don't work for the team and I'm assuming you don't either. We're gonna get who ever the team ends up drafting.

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That's why I said you have to look at everything, you can't just look at a stat sheet.

Of course, you don't look at just the stat sheet. You weigh a variety of factors. I was simply implying that people take those varying factors and place more emphasis in certain areas. I happen to place production higher than you may place it when evaluating players, but that isn't the only thing to look at. You do you and I'll judge players the way I'm comfortable judging them. In the end, it doesn't matter what neither of us would do anyway. I don't work for the team and I'm assuming you don't either. We're gonna get who ever the team ends up drafting.

I was just pointing out on the Kancey debat saying you like a guy better because he has just a couple more sacks and ignoring his traits and pass rush on the interior is a little foolish even when Kancey has a high pass rush grade and  has been very accomplished at the college level

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Of course, you don't look at just the stat sheet. You weigh a variety of factors. I was simply implying that people take those varying factors and place more emphasis in certain areas. I happen to place production higher than you may place it when evaluating players, but that isn't the only thing to look at. You do you and I'll judge players the way I'm comfortable judging them. In the end, it doesn't matter what neither of us would do anyway. I don't work for the team and I'm assuming you don't either. We're gonna get who ever the team ends up drafting.

I was just pointing out on the Kancey debat saying you like a guy better because he has just a couple more sacks and ignoring his traits and pass rush on the interior is a little foolish even when Kancey has a high pass rush grade and  has been very accomplished at the college level

I also took into account the huge size difference between Kancey and Brooks. Brooks is almost a full 4 inches taller and approximately 23 lbs. heavier. Smaller DT's like Aaron Donald are "unicorns" in the NFL. DT's who are undersized like Kancey, normally have a harder time shedding blocks from bigger, stronger interior linemen in the NFL. That was a big consideration for me as well. As far as Kancey as a player, he may or may not succeed in the NFL. None of us know yet. If you like him, fine. I prefer Karl Brooks. We don't all have to like the same guys. I don't hate Kancey. I actually like him, but certainly not in round 1. I have Kancey as more of a late 2nd, early 3rd round pick. I have players at other positions ranked much higher than him. If you think Kancey is a first rounder, that is your right.

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I was just pointing out on the Kancey debat saying you like a guy better because he has just a couple more sacks and ignoring his traits and pass rush on the interior is a little foolish even when Kancey has a high pass rush grade and  has been very accomplished at the college level

I also took into account the huge size difference between Kancey and Brooks. Brooks is almost a full 4 inches taller and approximately 23 lbs. heavier. Smaller DT's like Aaron Donald are "unicorns" in the NFL. DT's who are undersized like Kancey, normally have a harder time shedding blocks from bigger, stronger interior linemen in the NFL. That was a big consideration for me as well. As far as Kancey as a player, he may or may not succeed in the NFL. None of us know yet. If you like him, fine. I prefer Karl Brooks. We don't all have to like the same guys. I don't hate Kancey. I actually like him, but certainly not in round 1. I have Kancey as more of a late 2nd, early 3rd round pick. I have players at other positions ranked much higher than him. If you think Kancey is a first rounder, that is your right.

This makes a lot more sense saying his size is a concern.   That's why I would love it if he did fall to our 2nd pick and we could get Torrence in the first and Kancey in the 2nd.  Would be a dream 1st 2 picks for me

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I also took into account the huge size difference between Kancey and Brooks. Brooks is almost a full 4 inches taller and approximately 23 lbs. heavier. Smaller DT's like Aaron Donald are "unicorns" in the NFL. DT's who are undersized like Kancey, normally have a harder time shedding blocks from bigger, stronger interior linemen in the NFL. That was a big consideration for me as well. As far as Kancey as a player, he may or may not succeed in the NFL. None of us know yet. If you like him, fine. I prefer Karl Brooks. We don't all have to like the same guys. I don't hate Kancey. I actually like him, but certainly not in round 1. I have Kancey as more of a late 2nd, early 3rd round pick. I have players at other positions ranked much higher than him. If you think Kancey is a first rounder, that is your right.

This makes a lot more sense saying his size is a concern.   That's why I would love it if he did fall to our 2nd pick and we could get Torrence in the first and Kancey in the 2nd.  Would be a dream 1st 2 picks for me

I'm enjoying this debate regarding traits to look for when evaluating a potential NFL draft choice. You both make good points to support your views. The reason teams like the Ravens and Steelers succeed is due to talent evaluators like Ozzie Newsome, Chuck Noll, etc. Although even they made draft mistakes, their successes far outnumbered the failures.

Aaron Donald is great for a number of reasons. His quickness and strength are undeniable and he uses his lack of height as an advantage in gaining leverage over the offensive linemen who try to contain him. In addition to these physical traits, he is extremely tough (mentally and physically), has a great work ethic and a great passion for the game. He constantly studies film and is known for his work-out regimens which began in his youth. These intangibles are what separate him from others. There are many other great NFL players who were able to overcome physical "limitations" such as Robert Mathis, Zack Thomas and even Tom Brady due to these same intangibles. 

Calijah Kancey is a very intriguing prospect who certainly has a lot in common with Donald, including the college they both played for. I hope the Jaguars thoroughly scout him to determine if he has the necessary intangibles (work ethic, toughness, passion for the game, etc) to become a great player in the NFL. While some mocks like Mel Kiper have him as a 1st rounder (pick 10), others have him as low as round 3 due to his being "undersized." While he isn't at the top of my "Big Board," I wouldn't have a problem at all with the Jaguars taking him in round 1 IF our scouting department believes he has the traits (both tangible and intangible) to overcome his lack of size.

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This makes a lot more sense saying his size is a concern.   That's why I would love it if he did fall to our 2nd pick and we could get Torrence in the first and Kancey in the 2nd.  Would be a dream 1st 2 picks for me

I'm enjoying this debate regarding traits to look for when evaluating a potential NFL draft choice. You both make good points to support your views. The reason teams like the Ravens and Steelers succeed is due to talent evaluators like Ozzie Newsome, Chuck Noll, etc. Although even they made draft mistakes, their successes far outnumbered the failures.

Aaron Donald is great for a number of reasons. His quickness and strength are undeniable and he uses his lack of height as an advantage in gaining leverage over the offensive linemen who try to contain him. In addition to these physical traits, he is extremely tough (mentally and physically), has a great work ethic and a great passion for the game. He constantly studies film and is known for his work-out regimens which began in his youth. These intangibles are what separate him from others. There are many other great NFL players who were able to overcome physical "limitations" such as Robert Mathis, Zack Thomas and even Tom Brady due to these same intangibles. 

Calijah Kancey is a very intriguing prospect who certainly has a lot in common with Donald, including the college they both played for. I hope the Jaguars thoroughly scout him to determine if he has the necessary intangibles (work ethic, toughness, passion for the game, etc) to become a great player in the NFL. While some mocks like Mel Kiper have him as a 1st rounder (pick 10), others have him as low as round 3 due to his being "undersized." While he isn't at the top of my "Big Board," I wouldn't have a problem at all with the Jaguars taking him in round 1 IF our scouting department believes he has the traits (both tangible and intangible) to overcome his lack of size.

This and they usually go BPA regardless.  Like when the Ravens took Hurst in the 1st and then went back in the 3rd and took another TE because he was the top player on thier board. There were many examples where the great teams have done this.  Thats one thing I love about Baalke and Doug when talking about their draft approach.
They have the right strategy they just have to make sure their evaluations and board are right.  He reminds me of John Randle, like you said being shorter you have the leverage advantage not to mention the quickness

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This is what this dline is missing

https://youtu.be/s-Snhj5PX8s

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I'm enjoying this debate regarding traits to look for when evaluating a potential NFL draft choice. You both make good points to support your views. The reason teams like the Ravens and Steelers succeed is due to talent evaluators like Ozzie Newsome, Chuck Noll, etc. Although even they made draft mistakes, their successes far outnumbered the failures.

Aaron Donald is great for a number of reasons. His quickness and strength are undeniable and he uses his lack of height as an advantage in gaining leverage over the offensive linemen who try to contain him. In addition to these physical traits, he is extremely tough (mentally and physically), has a great work ethic and a great passion for the game. He constantly studies film and is known for his work-out regimens which began in his youth. These intangibles are what separate him from others. There are many other great NFL players who were able to overcome physical "limitations" such as Robert Mathis, Zack Thomas and even Tom Brady due to these same intangibles. 

Calijah Kancey is a very intriguing prospect who certainly has a lot in common with Donald, including the college they both played for. I hope the Jaguars thoroughly scout him to determine if he has the necessary intangibles (work ethic, toughness, passion for the game, etc) to become a great player in the NFL. While some mocks like Mel Kiper have him as a 1st rounder (pick 10), others have him as low as round 3 due to his being "undersized." While he isn't at the top of my "Big Board," I wouldn't have a problem at all with the Jaguars taking him in round 1 IF our scouting department believes he has the traits (both tangible and intangible) to overcome his lack of size.

This and they usually go BPA regardless.  Like when the Ravens took Hurst in the 1st and then went back in the 3rd and took another TE because he was the top player on thier board. There were many examples where the great teams have done this.  Thats one thing I love about Baalke and Doug when talking about their draft approach, they have the right strategy they just has to make sure their evaluations and board are right.  He reminds me of John Randle, like you said being shorter you have the leverage advantage not to mention the quickness

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This is what this dline is missing

https://youtu.be/s-Snhj5PX8s

I'm a fan.

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I'm enjoying this debate regarding traits to look for when evaluating a potential NFL draft choice. You both make good points to support your views. The reason teams like the Ravens and Steelers succeed is due to talent evaluators like Ozzie Newsome, Chuck Noll, etc. Although even they made draft mistakes, their successes far outnumbered the failures.

Aaron Donald is great for a number of reasons. His quickness and strength are undeniable and he uses his lack of height as an advantage in gaining leverage over the offensive linemen who try to contain him. In addition to these physical traits, he is extremely tough (mentally and physically), has a great work ethic and a great passion for the game. He constantly studies film and is known for his work-out regimens which began in his youth. These intangibles are what separate him from others. There are many other great NFL players who were able to overcome physical "limitations" such as Robert Mathis, Zack Thomas and even Tom Brady due to these same intangibles. 

Calijah Kancey is a very intriguing prospect who certainly has a lot in common with Donald, including the college they both played for. I hope the Jaguars thoroughly scout him to determine if he has the necessary intangibles (work ethic, toughness, passion for the game, etc) to become a great player in the NFL. While some mocks like Mel Kiper have him as a 1st rounder (pick 10), others have him as low as round 3 due to his being "undersized." While he isn't at the top of my "Big Board," I wouldn't have a problem at all with the Jaguars taking him in round 1 IF our scouting department believes he has the traits (both tangible and intangible) to overcome his lack of size.

This and they usually go BPA regardless.  Like when the Ravens took Hurst in the 1st and then went back in the 3rd and took another TE because he was the top player on thier board. There were many examples where the great teams have done this.  Thats one thing I love about Baalke and Doug when talking about their draft approach.
They have the right strategy they just have to make sure their evaluations and board are right.  He reminds me of John Randle, like you said being shorter you have the leverage advantage not to mention the quickness

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This is what this dline is missing

https://youtu.be/s-Snhj5PX8s

Damn I'm impressed, good footwork and has some good toe

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The Big 12 certainly hasn't produced that many good-great WRs over the last 12 years.
https://twitter.com/BillyM_91/status/162...6690033673

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https://twitter.com/RunYourPool_/status/...39620?s=20

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This is wild

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news...-qb-chaos/

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