Yes, that is how conservatives, by and large, use woke. When they see something that puts the preaching above the produce, it's wokeness in their eyes, and it's not really wrong for them to think that. Progressives might have a more nuanced take, but it's not half as intellectual as they try to frame it. Woke is to progressivism what saved is to Christians.

But very very few commercials actually go so meta as to put the preaching over the product.  Is that really what the great red/blue debate comes to? A few dumb commercials?

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Is that really what the great jags/politics forum debate comes to? A few dumb Mikesez posts?

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As I read through the comments, I'm laughing My [BLEEP] Off. Trump called for Another protest to save his [BLEEP] and some of y'all are supporting it. Also this is about him, no one else so stop trying to compare past issues w/his issue(s). We ALL know that Trump is an Manipulator at his worst. I won't mention his other issues.

He'll continue to throw money at this issue to either prolong it or to have it go away. Nobody is above the law and if/when it's his turn to face the music then he has to be treated like everyone else.

Time Will Tell.

NH3...

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As I read through the comments, I'm laughing My [BLEEP] Off. Trump called for Another protest to save his [BLEEP] and some of y'all are supporting it. Also this is about him, no one else so stop trying to compare past issues w/his issue(s). We ALL know that Trump is an Manipulator at his worst. I won't mention his other issues.

He'll continue to throw money at this issue to either prolong it or to have it go away. Nobody is above the law and if/when it's his turn to face the music then he has to be treated like everyone else.

Time Will Tell.

NH3...

No one is disputing that. But when the State selectivity applies laws, or attempts to amplify the severity of other laws strictly for political purposes, then that’s a problem. The reason being is if justice can be manipulated against Trump, it can be manipulated against you.

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Is that really what the great jags/politics forum debate comes to? A few dumb Mikesez posts?

You underestimate the quantity of his output.

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When you get into the endzone, act like you've been there before.

I think a good definition of "woke" is "seeing everything in life as evidence of systemic racial oppression."

Liberals see "woke" as having your eyes open to reality, while conservatives see "woke" as a ridiculous level of paranoia and seeing racism everywhere, even when it's not actually there.

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Is that really what the great jags/politics forum debate comes to? A few dumb Mikesez posts?

...followed by personal attacks that have nothing to do with the subject being discussed.

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Realists see Woke as another attempt to use guilt tactics to control other people.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

So I think there's something to the thought Trump leaked this alleged pending arrest last week. He rallied his base raised millions and put DeSantis in a weird spot. Genius I'll give it to him. Should have expected it from the look at me president.

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Realists see Woke as another attempt to use guilt tactics to control other people.

I think one of the aspects of "woke ideology" is an attempt to treat certain political views as settled, un-debatable.  It's like, "systemic racism is everywhere, and any debate about that is racist in itself."

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Realists see Woke as another attempt to use guilt tactics to control other people.

I think one of the aspects of "woke ideology" is an attempt to treat certain political views as settled, un-debatable.  It's like, "systemic racism is everywhere, and any debate about that is racist in itself."

That's racist.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

I agree with both of these posts. And I definitely don't like trying to control people with guilt. And I don't agree with placing ideas above the realm of respectable debate.
But none of that was in any Star Wars movie!

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

I think a good definition of "woke" is "seeing everything in life as evidence of systemic racial oppression."

Liberals see "woke" as having your eyes open to reality, while conservatives see "woke" as a ridiculous level of paranoia and seeing racism everywhere, even when it's not actually there.

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Is that really what the great jags/politics forum debate comes to? A few dumb Mikesez posts?

...followed by personal attacks that have nothing to do with the subject being discussed.

I don't get you, Marty. How can you possibly see that as an attack? It's a point. One that Mikey isn't addressing for a reason.

I spent at least 4 posts attempting to flesh out the nuance of a word, including how it came to be, and how different groups use it, and he tries to create a reductio ad absurdum argument that is baseless and dismissive. That's annoying. I did the same thing back at him, and you home in on my post as an attack? It's a response to: "Is that really what the great red/blue debate comes to? A few dumb commercials?" Do you really believe Mikesez is that stupid? Do you really think he thinks that's what I was trying to say? No. he doesn't. Just like I don't believe what I said. It's not an effective argument both ways, which was the point. 

On a side note, above I used the phrase "home in," but I wrote it as "hone in" and received an autocorrect error. Looked it up. Home in is the more common and older version of the phrase, which I would not have guessed in a million years.

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A few good definitions of "woke" are now floating around this thread. And I think these ideas are impacting education and government and social media and news reporting pretty hard. It's not all bad, but it is mostly nonsense.
But they're not impacting entertainment or commercials very much, if at all.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

I agree with both of these posts. And I definitely don't like trying to control people with guilt.  And I don't agree with placing ideas above the realm of respectable debate.
But none of that was in any Star Wars movie!

Yes. It is. Rian Johnson talked about the message of identity, as well as Kathleen Kennedy. Here's one found after a minute of looking, "“But we have 50% of our executive team are women. And six out of eight of the people in my story group are women. And I’m sure there’s a lot of people that would be surprised that we’re making Star Wars movies and the majority of the people involved in the development of those stories are women.” Also going on to say that she wanted to make star wars for boys and girls, which isn't inherently wrong, but no one is trying to make Cinderella that way. Pushing the identity over the product is woke. They did do it in the last 3 films. You just can't acknowledge it.

She has even admitted to taking the fun out of star wars, and is making changes moving forward, which should be a good thing. The average person in this country doesn't whether or not there's a female lead. We want to see ourselves in stories. This is why "woke" people like it and the rest of us do not. The less you see yourself that way, the more noticeable it is.

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That's Kathleen Kennedy.

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I think one of the key ways to fight woke thought is to refuse to feel guilty. The various anti woke legislation we have now in FL speaks to this. I think we can accept that certain things in the past, even the recent past, were hurtful or misguided, without feeling guilty about them. Even if you voted for a guy who did those things! There were only two guys running and the other guy had downsides too, some of which we will never know about. We should try to right those wrongs from a practical mind, with empathy and respect, but not guilt.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Sure. I'm fine with that as a starting point, but that's not really going to work. This whole belief system is patterned after Christianity. You're not going to get them to go away by not feeling guilty. They'll just convert your children.

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I think a good definition of "woke" is "seeing everything in life as evidence of systemic racial oppression."

Liberals see "woke" as having your eyes open to reality, while conservatives see "woke" as a ridiculous level of paranoia and seeing racism everywhere, even when it's not actually there.

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...followed by personal attacks that have nothing to do with the subject being discussed.

I don't get you, Marty. How can you possibly see that as an attack? It's a point. One that Mikey isn't addressing for a reason.

I spent at least 4 posts attempting to flesh out the nuance of a word, including how it came to be, and how different groups use it, and he tries to create a reductio ad absurdum argument that is baseless and dismissive. That's annoying. I did the same thing back at him, and you home in on my post as an attack? It's a response to: "Is that really what the great red/blue debate comes to? A few dumb commercials?" Do you really believe Mikesez is that stupid? Do you really think he thinks that's what I was trying to say? No. he doesn't. Just like I don't believe what I said. It's not an effective argument both ways, which was the point. 

On a side note, above I used the phrase "home in," but I wrote it as "hone in" and received an autocorrect error. Looked it up. Home in is the more common and older version of the phrase, which I would not have guessed in a million years.

You didn't say "a few dumb commercials."  You said, "...a few dumb Mikesez posts."  

I think people attack Mikesez personally quite often.  Often the people who do it contribute nothing else to the discussion.

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LOL. Touched a nerve did I?

Did you think I would like what you wrote?
Should I look up "negging" on Wikipedia to refresh my memory?
Does this have to be personal?

How am I wrong?  A topic comes up, you research it, return here and post as an expert on the topic.  L2L asked you what YOU thought “woke” meant and you replied no, you tell me what you think it means.  Who is the real Mikesez?  We don’t have a clue because your every response is filtered through a search engine.

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At some point you just have to let go of what you thought should happen and live in what is happening.
 

Did you think I would like what you wrote?
Should I look up "negging" on Wikipedia to refresh my memory?
Does this have to be personal?

How am I wrong?  A topic comes up, you research it, return here and post as an expert on the topic.  L2L asked you what YOU thought “woke” meant and you replied no, you tell me what you think it means.  Who is the real Mikesez?  We don’t have a clue because yo7r every response is filtered through a search engine.

Everything you just said is wrong.
You fail to consider that I might just remember these things without having to look them up.  Facts are facts.  They look the same whether I read about them 10 years ago and recite them to you now or if I just learned them 2 minutes ago and copy and paste them.  I have a good memory, and I'm not going to hide it nor will I accept criticism for it.
The opinions are entirely my own.  Go ahead and criticize my opinions, that's your right.  But please stop being so petty as to criticize my memory.  Don't let jealousy cloud your judgement and for Christ's sake just stop being a dick overall, you [BLEEP].

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

I agree with both of these posts. And I definitely don't like trying to control people with guilt.  And I don't agree with placing ideas above the realm of respectable debate.
But none of that was in any Star Wars movie!

Yes. It is. Rian Johnson talked about the message of identity, as well as Kathleen Kennedy. Here's one found after a minute of looking, "“But we have 50% of our executive team are women. And six out of eight of the people in my story group are women. And I’m sure there’s a lot of people that would be surprised that we’re making Star Wars movies and the majority of the people involved in the development of those stories are women.” Also going on to say that she wanted to make star wars for boys and girls, which isn't inherently wrong, but no one is trying to make Cinderella that way. Pushing the identity over the product is woke. They did do it in the last 3 films. You just can't acknowledge it.

She has even admitted to taking the fun out of star wars, and is making changes moving forward, which should be a good thing. The average person in this country doesn't whether or not there's a female lead. We want to see ourselves in stories. This is why "woke" people like it and the rest of us do not. The less you see yourself that way, the more noticeable it is.

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That's Kathleen Kennedy.

Obviously a lot of things went wrong at LucasFilm.
Obviously Kathleen Kennedy needs to check her own self; like many powerful women of her generation, she got where she is by marrying the right man, rather than any particular talent for the actual job.
Obviously she was promoted because of her identity, and obviously she promoted others because of theirs. The end product was just a committee document with no unifying theme other than meeting a deadline.  That speaks to a lack of leadership or of vision or both. 
But this is where we part ways.
There is no woke messaging in these films precisely because there is no messaging at all in these films.
And what little there is, is often repeated verbatim from the original trilogy.  Men felt things when Leia slapped Po in 8.  Was that misandrist woke messaging? Of course not.  Leia put Han in his place in episode 4, even saying the same words!

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.