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Assassination attempt on Trump


(07-15-2024, 04:34 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(07-15-2024, 03:46 PM)Caldrac Wrote: It means that you equate tweets with words with the same impact as guns and bullets. 

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/hd5KE6ShmOE

No I didn't.
We agree that mean words, disunity, can contribute to causing an assassination attempt.
All I'm saying is, most of us contribute to disunity from time to time.

I typically engage in disunity about two times a day. Sometimes three if I overdid it during lunch and washed it down with coffee to get me over the midday hump.
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(07-15-2024, 03:44 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote:
(07-14-2024, 08:47 PM)Jag149 Wrote: Here you go guys. I put this protocol under the classification - need to review. 

https://headlineusa.com/secret-service-t...ire-first/

Bongino, who is a former SS agent is strongly disputing today on his show the narrative that SS has to wait for a perpetrator to fire before returning fire.  Sure, common sense says you want to be sure before pulling the trigger, but that onus falls to the sniper team to make that decision and not to someone somewhere else.   He added that what he has heard from sources is that the sniper team had trouble getting a clear line of sight to the shooter due to the crest of the roof.  The shooter would have to expose himself to fire also due to the crest of the roof.  Shooter probably popped his head up and barrel over the crest and quickly fired knowing he had already been spotted by people in the crowd and fired off a few rounds.  That panic of having been spotted probably contributed to his inaccuracy.

Bongino also broke some news that the security team had identified the would be shooter as a potential threat shortly after he entered the perimeter but they lost track of him in a building until he reappeared on the roof.  Why was SS not immediately sent to cover Trump and get him off stage when they suspected a threat was inside the perimeter?

I just need to know how the gun got in, why the roof wasn't guarded when SS pre-labeled it as a threat, who came up with the protection plan of action for that day and who coordinated the protection on that day.  Whoever it is that is responsible for the last two questions needs to be asked to resign and be thoroughly investigated.

And as you said before, why doesn't the USSS use drones? Seems to me it is a perfect surveillance tool for occasion such as this.
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I see that Joe finally granted Kennedy his Secret Service..

Way long overdue.
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(07-15-2024, 04:37 PM)homebiscuit Wrote:
(07-15-2024, 03:44 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: Bongino, who is a former SS agent is strongly disputing today on his show the narrative that SS has to wait for a perpetrator to fire before returning fire.  Sure, common sense says you want to be sure before pulling the trigger, but that onus falls to the sniper team to make that decision and not to someone somewhere else.   He added that what he has heard from sources is that the sniper team had trouble getting a clear line of sight to the shooter due to the crest of the roof.  The shooter would have to expose himself to fire also due to the crest of the roof.  Shooter probably popped his head up and barrel over the crest and quickly fired knowing he had already been spotted by people in the crowd and fired off a few rounds.  That panic of having been spotted probably contributed to his inaccuracy.

Bongino also broke some news that the security team had identified the would be shooter as a potential threat shortly after he entered the perimeter but they lost track of him in a building until he reappeared on the roof.  Why was SS not immediately sent to cover Trump and get him off stage when they suspected a threat was inside the perimeter?

I just need to know how the gun got in, why the roof wasn't guarded when SS pre-labeled it as a threat, who came up with the protection plan of action for that day and who coordinated the protection on that day.  Whoever it is that is responsible for the last two questions needs to be asked to resign and be thoroughly investigated.

And as you said before, why doesn't the USSS use drones? Seems to me it is a perfect surveillance tool for occasion such as this.

If I were to guess the area is a no fly zone.  If you allowed surveillance drones how easy would it be to sneak an unauthorised drone into the mix?  It’s an honest question because I have no idea about drone technology, tracking or even capabilities.  Although the idea of a fishing drone does appeal to me but losing one of those would be costly.
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He was carrying a transmitter. 

Trump shooter bought 50 rounds of ammo hours before assassination attempt and had transmitter on him (msn.com)



Wait, what? 

‘I don’t know what to say’: Family of Thomas Matthew Crooks struggles to make sense of Trump shooting (msn.com)

...Crooks’ parents, Matthew and Mary Crooks, née Frizzi, are certified behavioral health counselors, according to state licensing records...
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(07-15-2024, 01:28 PM)homebiscuit Wrote:
(07-15-2024, 01:23 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: The crazy liberals will do anything to distort the truth. Many believe this was one big staged event and Trump was in on it. You cannot fix stupid.

Yeah, Marty is projecting hard.

No, no no no.  What was interesting was how easy it is to doctor the photo.   Good gosh, I wouldn't expect anyone to fall for it, especially since the article is about how the photo was doctored.
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(07-15-2024, 05:05 PM)copycat Wrote:
(07-15-2024, 04:37 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: And as you said before, why doesn't the USSS use drones? Seems to me it is a perfect surveillance tool for occasion such as this.

If I were to guess the area is a no fly zone.  If you allowed surveillance drones how easy would it be to sneak an unauthorised drone into the mix?  It’s an honest question because I have no idea about drone technology, tracking or even capabilities.  Although the idea of a fishing drone does appeal to me but losing one of those would be costly.

I don't know much about drones either but I do know you have to register any drone weighing over 1/2 a pound with the FAA and if you're flying it where it's not supposed to be, like a political rally, it would be really easy for some of the sharp shooters to just shoot it down.  There would be major financial penalties and potential jail time for someone to do such a thing.  I would think SS drones flying over such an event should have already been standard procedure and those operating them would be able to identify non-SS drones that entered the area pretty easily because they are supposed to be broadcasting their FAA ID and if a drone is broadcasting a private citizen's FAA ID or even not broadcasting anything the presumption should be that it's a threat and it should be dealt with accordingly.
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(07-15-2024, 07:14 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote:
(07-15-2024, 05:05 PM)copycat Wrote: If I were to guess the area is a no fly zone.  If you allowed surveillance drones how easy would it be to sneak an unauthorised drone into the mix?  It’s an honest question because I have no idea about drone technology, tracking or even capabilities.  Although the idea of a fishing drone does appeal to me but losing one of those would be costly.

I don't know much about drones either but I do know you have to register any drone weighing over 1/2 a pound with the FAA and if you're flying it where it's not supposed to be, like a political rally, it would be really easy for some of the sharp shooters to just shoot it down.  There would be major financial penalties and potential jail time for someone to do such a thing.  I would think SS drones flying over such an event should have already been standard procedure and those operating them would be able to identify non-SS drones that entered the area pretty easily because they are supposed to be broadcasting their FAA ID and if a drone is broadcasting a private citizen's FAA ID or even not broadcasting anything the presumption should be that it's a threat and it should be dealt with accordingly.

It is not easy for a sharpshooter to shoot down a drone if the drone is doing evasive maneuvers.  Plus that lead has to land somewhere.
Other measures would be taken, and robots would be aiming, not people.
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(07-15-2024, 02:04 PM)homebiscuit Wrote:
(07-15-2024, 01:41 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: The Smart man does not watch main stream news.  The smart man will watch independent news sources or from sources he trust.  The smart man can also decide if the media is lying or telling the truth.  The truth is everybody has an angle and you have to weed out The BS.

There are shows and programs you can easily weed out and know they are Slanted:  ALL of MSNBC, CNN, Left wing shows like the View, Most of Fox Programming, actually any Main Stream Network they all get funding from the defense department cannot be trusted.  I like to watch a collection of news and decide what I believe is the truth. A Great News source is Youtube.  Find some Youtubers who cover all the main stream networks and you get like 20 different news sources on one video.  I am not saying trust the youtubers opinions but they cover many different news sources at once so you get like a network of data is a small amount of time. Find some ones you align with and subscribe to a few.

News Nation.

I'm on vacation this week, so I don't really have the time to do my own research on any subject. The house I'm staying at has News Nation, so I figured I'd watch it on your recommendation. It's fairly detailed, asks good questions, gets takes from a diverse set of experts, and largely tries to stick to the facts. It's still msm, so it moves to quickly to satisfy my curiosity, but it's pretty good for an MSM channel.
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(07-15-2024, 07:32 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(07-15-2024, 07:14 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: I don't know much about drones either but I do know you have to register any drone weighing over 1/2 a pound with the FAA and if you're flying it where it's not supposed to be, like a political rally, it would be really easy for some of the sharp shooters to just shoot it down.  There would be major financial penalties and potential jail time for someone to do such a thing.  I would think SS drones flying over such an event should have already been standard procedure and those operating them would be able to identify non-SS drones that entered the area pretty easily because they are supposed to be broadcasting their FAA ID and if a drone is broadcasting a private citizen's FAA ID or even not broadcasting anything the presumption should be that it's a threat and it should be dealt with accordingly.

It is not easy for a sharpshooter to shoot down a drone if the drone is doing evasive maneuvers.  Plus that lead has to land somewhere.
Other measures would be taken, and robots would be aiming, not people.

Yeah, probably not using actual bullets due to the potential collateral damage.  More likely something like plastic pellets.  It doesn't take much push to knock a drone out of the sky.  Either way, they could hit it and knock it out of the sky easier than you think while it is sitting still or moving in a straight line and if it's doing evasive maneuvers it's probably not much of a threat to the politician while that's going on.
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(07-15-2024, 08:03 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote:
(07-15-2024, 02:04 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: News Nation.

I'm on vacation this week, so I don't really have the time to do my own research on any subject. The house I'm staying at has News Nation, so I figured I'd watch it on your recommendation. It's fairly detailed, asks good questions, gets takes from a diverse set of experts, and largely tries to stick to the facts. It's still msm, so it moves to quickly to satisfy my curiosity, but it's pretty good for an MSM channel.

Scratch that. Watching the Cuomo show on nn. It sucks. They are talking about garbage while they have the RNC speakers talking on mute in the background. How can its listeners learn anything about real news while muting an actual event to hypothesize about nonsense.
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(07-15-2024, 10:08 AM)WingerDinger Wrote: https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/18...2s6Aw&s=19

JUST IN: Trump confirms that a chunk of his ear is gone, details more injuries he received during an interview with the New York Post.

Trump says he was hit so hard by Secret Service who rushed to protect him, that his shoes fell off.

The former president said he wanted to keep speaking but he obviously had to leave.

The Post says a small chunk of Trump’s ear is gone which was protected by a white bandage during their interview.

Trump also showed the Post a large bruise on his forearm that he got from hitting the ground.

"They took him out with one shot right between the eyes. They did a fantastic job."

Trump said he would be attending the funeral of Corey Comperatore who lost his life at the rally.

Trump also praised the attendees at the rally for staying calm: "I love them. They are such great people.

Source: @nypost

This is simply not true at all. There's multiple pictures of the shooter dead and it shows his face clearly. They are very graphic and not safe for work obviously. One picture is taken literally up close with somebody pulling his hair/head back so his face is clear as day.

He was not shot in the face. He was shot towards the back of his head. One picture you can see that his head/upper body position is tilted forward as it would be if he was struck towards the back of his head.

The other picture clearly shows his face in high quality with no bullet wound in sight and the blood trail is running back to forward, as if it was running from the back of his head and down his face.

EDIT: Going back and looking at the picture again just right now, it definitely could have been a shot to the side of the head, right outside of his left eye, but it definitely wasn't between his eyes.

The way he was slumped forward almost look like he was shot in the back of the head.
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lol

Does it really matter?
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(07-15-2024, 07:32 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(07-15-2024, 07:14 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: I don't know much about drones either but I do know you have to register any drone weighing over 1/2 a pound with the FAA and if you're flying it where it's not supposed to be, like a political rally, it would be really easy for some of the sharp shooters to just shoot it down.  There would be major financial penalties and potential jail time for someone to do such a thing.  I would think SS drones flying over such an event should have already been standard procedure and those operating them would be able to identify non-SS drones that entered the area pretty easily because they are supposed to be broadcasting their FAA ID and if a drone is broadcasting a private citizen's FAA ID or even not broadcasting anything the presumption should be that it's a threat and it should be dealt with accordingly.

It is not easy for a sharpshooter to shoot down a drone if the drone is doing evasive maneuvers.  Plus that lead has to land somewhere.
Other measures would be taken, and robots would be aiming, not people.
Bird shot will take care of it easily. A water gun could even take down a hobby model.

The military has other ways to block the signals and disable the drone.

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(07-15-2024, 05:27 PM)The Real Marty Wrote:
(07-15-2024, 01:28 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: Yeah, Marty is projecting hard.

No, no no no.  What was interesting was how easy it is to doctor the photo.   Good gosh, I wouldn't expect anyone to fall for it, especially since the article is about how the photo was doctored.

Probably why Trump was down so long behind the podium, right? They had to either carve a little on the ear, or get out the fake blood capsules. Of course, you have those fake dead and wounded people to consider. And Neil Armstrong never left Cape Canaveral. One giant step for fakery!
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(07-15-2024, 09:02 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: lol

Does it really matter?

I mean, does saying false information matter? But I guess our corrupt American politics have been giving out false info and making up [BLEEP] for years right? Why change now.

Either way, really looking at the pictures. It looks as if he was likely struck towards the left temple area and the exit came out of the right side of the back of his head, just below/besides the ear.

Also, kind of funny how Mike Tyson did more damage biting off a piece of Holyfield's ear than a 5.56 or .223 round did.. hmmmm
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(07-15-2024, 09:14 PM)Eric1 Wrote:
(07-15-2024, 09:02 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: lol

Does it really matter?

I mean, does saying false information matter? But I guess our corrupt American politics have been giving out false info and making up [BLEEP] for years right? Why change now.

Either way, really looking at the pictures. It looks as if he was likely struck towards the left temple area and the exit came out of the right side of the back of his head, just below/besides the ear.

Also, kind of funny how Mike Tyson did more damage biting off a piece of Holyfield's ear than a .223 round did.. hmmmm

Ok dude lolol
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(07-15-2024, 09:16 PM)WingerDinger Wrote:
(07-15-2024, 09:14 PM)Eric1 Wrote: I mean, does saying false information matter? But I guess our corrupt American politics have been giving out false info and making up [BLEEP] for years right? Why change now.

Either way, really looking at the pictures. It looks as if he was likely struck towards the left temple area and the exit came out of the right side of the back of his head, just below/besides the ear.

Also, kind of funny how Mike Tyson did more damage biting off a piece of Holyfield's ear than a .223 round did.. hmmmm

Ok dude lolol

Got nothing aye?
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(07-15-2024, 08:34 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote:
(07-15-2024, 08:03 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: I'm on vacation this week, so I don't really have the time to do my own research on any subject. The house I'm staying at has News Nation, so I figured I'd watch it on your recommendation. It's fairly detailed, asks good questions, gets takes from a diverse set of experts, and largely tries to stick to the facts. It's still msm, so it moves to quickly to satisfy my curiosity, but it's pretty good for an MSM channel.

Scratch that. Watching the Cuomo show on nn. It sucks. They are talking about garbage while they have the RNC speakers talking on mute in the background. How can its listeners learn anything about real news while muting an actual event to hypothesize about nonsense.
It's better than other MSMs but it's definitely not unbiased. If I remember correctly it is owned by a big dem donor. They still push narratives but don't outright push it 24/7.
(07-15-2024, 08:58 PM)Eric1 Wrote:
(07-15-2024, 10:08 AM)WingerDinger Wrote: https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/18...2s6Aw&s=19

JUST IN: Trump confirms that a chunk of his ear is gone, details more injuries he received during an interview with the New York Post.

Trump says he was hit so hard by Secret Service who rushed to protect him, that his shoes fell off.

The former president said he wanted to keep speaking but he obviously had to leave.

The Post says a small chunk of Trump’s ear is gone which was protected by a white bandage during their interview.

Trump also showed the Post a large bruise on his forearm that he got from hitting the ground.

"They took him out with one shot right between the eyes. They did a fantastic job."

Trump said he would be attending the funeral of Corey Comperatore who lost his life at the rally.

Trump also praised the attendees at the rally for staying calm: "I love them. They are such great people.

Source: @nypost

This is simply not true at all. There's multiple pictures of the shooter dead and it shows his face clearly. They are very graphic and not safe for work obviously. One picture is taken literally up close with somebody pulling his hair/head back so his face is clear as day.

He was not shot in the face. He was shot towards the back of his head. One picture you can see that his head/upper body position is tilted forward as it would be if he was struck towards the back of his head.

The other picture clearly shows his face in high quality with no bullet wound in sight and the blood trail is running back to forward, as if it was running from the back of his head and down his face.

EDIT: Going back and looking at the picture again just right now, it definitely could have been a shot to the side of the head, right outside of his left eye, but it definitely wasn't between his eyes.

The way he was slumped forward almost look like he was shot in the back of the head.
I haven't looked at the images closely and tried to avoid them but supposedly he was shot thru the mouth. Some of his teeth are gone and why it looks like the back was shot.


The crazies are still saying the wrong person is named. FBI is being stumped by the phone and having no clue what the motive was.

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