"Look, if I can't move the goalposts there's just nothing for me to argue about since everyone keeps making me look dumb." - Mikesez

Presenting a hypothetical is not moving the goal posts.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

The one constant in a two-party system is that if one party pushes a limit while in power, and no one stops them, the other party will push the same limit the next time they are in power.

If your people are in power, before you ask them to push limits, you should ask yourself if you're okay with the other party also pushing those same limits to do things that they want done. 

And that question is inherently a hypothetical question. If you can't think in hypotheticals, you are completely unprepared to cope with a two-party system in a society of laws.

If too many of us laugh at hypothetical questions rather than consider them, then too many of us are unprepared to deal with a two-party system and a society of laws. If this continues, we will have a lawless one party system before you know it. The people will have let the incumbents push the limits so far that finally the incumbents will have the power to rig elections or stop elections, effectively locking in the one party lawless state. And don't misunderstand, there will still be laws for a common people in common situations, the part that will be lawless is how the leaders and their friends are allowed to behave. "For my friends, everything. For my enemies, the law."

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

If you didn't go into the trades you're not going to be gainfully employed and make good money. The need for workers in plumbing, electric, stonemasons, bricklayers, HVAC, and the rest of the trades has been a serious issue for years.

The guy who works on our HVAC when it goes sideways is second generation. His dad owns the company and was the one who installed the heat pump back in 1992 and he and his son are the only two to ever work on it. The son tells us all the time how they're overwhelmed with work because they can't find quality employees. When my nephew comes up from Jacksonville to visit during the summer months he's paid very good money just to be a gopher. He's only 15 so he can't really do much but he's willing to work and our HVAC guy is willing to pay him more than he'd make anywhere else.

We are friends with a family who owns and operates electricals. My husband worked for them when he was in college and is how he never had to take out student loans. They have similar problems. They can't hire or keep enough workers. 

Everyone was told to go to college if they wanted to be successful yet those in the trades, the ones who stick with it, make very good money and are far more successful and have steady work. The college graduates? Not so much and they're already in so much debt they don't even think about changing gears and going to a trade school to learn something that will pay them what they're worth.

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The one constant in a two-party system is that if one party pushes a limit while in power, and no one stops them, the other party will push the same limit the next time they are in power.

If your people are in power, before you ask them to push limits, you should ask yourself if you're okay with the other party also pushing those same limits to do things that they want done. 

And that question is inherently a hypothetical question. If you can't think in hypotheticals, you are completely unprepared to cope with a two-party system in a society of laws.

If too many of us laugh at hypothetical questions rather than consider them, then too many of us are unprepared to deal with a two-party system and a society of laws. If this continues, we will have a lawless one party system before you know it. The people will have let the incumbents push the limits so far that finally the incumbents will have the power to rig elections or stop elections, effectively locking in the one party lawless state. And don't misunderstand, there will still be laws for a common people in common situations, the part that will be lawless is how the leaders and their friends are allowed to behave. "For my friends, everything for my enemies, the law."

BBBBBWWWWWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA!

You think REPUBLICANS push "limits" when they are in power? Are you daft? Those idiots have been given power time and time again and every single time they fumble it away by trying to be chums with their opponents. What a bunch of nonsense, you're just projecting your dem buddies' behaviors onto the Grand Old Spineless Party.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Mike, the question was "maybe it is TDS?" and your response is something off the wall about Trump. Get help bro.

It's called a hypothetical.  It's a simple, "what if" question. Just because there's no evidence it happened doesn't mean it's off the wall.  Like if I asked you what would you do if you heard your brother was sick in the hospital.  You would answer about making plans to go see him, or you'd say, "actually he and I don't get along" or "I don't have a brother.".  You wouldn't say, "you deranged person! Why would you make up an off the wall story about my brother being sick!" 

It's a simple hypothetical.  If you can't think it through to some sort of answer, then maybe you're the one whose brain isnt quite working right.

Here, I'll go even easier on you.
Say it's 2028 and both parties in the US are gone.  The new parties are the Stars party and the Stripes party.  President Skip Willis of the Stars party has decided to send folks to pose as Stripes party volunteers and report back on the activities of the Stripes party. Is that OK? 

While doing so, they find that Stripes party members met with Russian intelligence agents and diplomats.  Should President Skip Willis try to get a warrant to investigate that further?

His question didn't need a hypothetical scenario thrown out there. It was a yes or no.

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The one constant in a two-party system is that if one party pushes a limit while in power, and no one stops them, the other party will push the same limit the next time they are in power.

If your people are in power, before you ask them to push limits, you should ask yourself if you're okay with the other party also pushing those same limits to do things that they want done. 

And that question is inherently a hypothetical question. If you can't think in hypotheticals, you are completely unprepared to cope with a two-party system in a society of laws.

If too many of us laugh at hypothetical questions rather than consider them, then too many of us are unprepared to deal with a two-party system and a society of laws. If this continues, we will have a lawless one party system before you know it. The people will have let the incumbents push the limits so far that finally the incumbents will have the power to rig elections or stop elections, effectively locking in the one party lawless state. And don't misunderstand, there will still be laws for a common people in common situations, the part that will be lawless is how the leaders and their friends are allowed to behave. "For my friends, everything for my enemies, the law."

BBBBBWWWWWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA!

You think REPUBLICANS push "limits" when they are in power? Are you daft? Those idiots have been given power time and time again and every single time they fumble it away by trying to be chums with their opponents. What a bunch of nonsense, you're just projecting your dem buddies' behaviors onto the Grand Old Spineless Party.

I don’t think that can be said this time around.

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It's called a hypothetical.  It's a simple, "what if" question. Just because there's no evidence it happened doesn't mean it's off the wall.  Like if I asked you what would you do if you heard your brother was sick in the hospital.  You would answer about making plans to go see him, or you'd say, "actually he and I don't get along" or "I don't have a brother.".  You wouldn't say, "you deranged person! Why would you make up an off the wall story about my brother being sick!" 

It's a simple hypothetical.  If you can't think it through to some sort of answer, then maybe you're the one whose brain isnt quite working right.

Here, I'll go even easier on you.
Say it's 2028 and both parties in the US are gone.  The new parties are the Stars party and the Stripes party.  President Skip Willis of the Stars party has decided to send folks to pose as Stripes party volunteers and report back on the activities of the Stripes party. Is that OK? 

While doing so, they find that Stripes party members met with Russian intelligence agents and diplomats.  Should President Skip Willis try to get a warrant to investigate that further?

His question didn't need a hypothetical scenario thrown out there. It was a yes or no.

The answer was no, and if you guys play the hypothetical scenario, that is one way to see why the answer is firmly no.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Question for you.

Say it's 2020, and Trump wants to find out Joe Biden's strategy.  Would it be OK for Trump's people to send someone who is loyal to him to pose as a new volunteer for the Biden campaign, and that person can report everything they see and hear back to Trump?  The person wouldn't go snooping where they weren't supposed to snoop, but they would report back to Trump.

Now say they find out that Biden had taken lunch with Iranian intelligence officials. At that point, do you think a secret warrant could be issued, allowing that person to more forcefully snoop on what Biden was up to?

Mike, the question was "maybe it is TDS?" and your response is something off the wall about Trump. Get help bro.

As rambling and unrelated as his response is, it does answer your question.

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When you get into the endzone, act like you've been there before.

There are 2 major things broken in this country:

The Job Market:  I have been out of work 6 months and actively looking for nearly 3. I can speak first hand that combined layoffs with an ever growing student pool who cannot find work it's damning. It is very common now to see the words "Entry Level"  followed by need 3+ years of this or 5+ years of that for $22/hr.  I lean right but I can tell you that job market report recently is complete BS.  I am not speaking from just my standpoint but the thousands trying to apply for work.  College Degree's and Certifications do not mean jack squat now.  It's also common to see people with Bachelor or Master Degree's working at Star Bucks or a low level job that grossly underpays them due to job shortages.  My sector is Tech and now that is becoming a global market.  Not only Ai is taking over but Outsourcing is now ramped.  Older and new tech employees like me have to try to compete with someone from India or another nation who can afford to work for $5/hr.  The Medical field is just as bad with a ton of problems I can name, and even Trades people compete with immigrants or people who can afford to work much cheaper than you can. 

Education:  Parents do not parent anymore and these damn kids do not want to learn.  The United States has fallen way behind on a global scale for Education and teachers are Quitting at rapid rates.  I have read and saw countless articles of teachers complaining about the Kids not respecting authority and most cannot read anywhere near their grade level.  American teachers are openly complaining about High School Students who are reading at elementary levels. Mathematics has fallen even further.  So the School system pushes many of these students out with a Diploma, despite the fact they cannot even read, write, or even basic math at a middle school level.  Now with the DEI programs for woke Schools, they lowered the standard so some of the Qualified Students who did make it through the School system with a decent education are not granted an opportunity.  These Colleges are indoctrination camps who spread the liberal propaganda and even allows Crazyness like burning American flags on Campus or Gay students who are Cheering on Palestine but do not understand they would be stoned to death over there for being gay.  I won't even mention the many many useless College Diploma's like, Liberal Arts, Art History, Computer Science (it is useless now), etc. Even many of the ones who chose the right degree, worked hard and graduated, are now highly underpaid in a job that is out of their field and drowning in Student debt.  Think about this:  We  won't allow a person to drink until they are 21 years old. We will however allow an 18 year old student become Hundreds of thousands of dollars in student debt. Do you really think an 18 year old understands the impact of that loan in their life? 

Cost of living: I hope it does come down under Trump but it's a long process.  I do understand all the Damage the whole Biden Crime Family did to the economy and it will take time to recover.  With that said, it's a perfect storm right now for people to get real desperate. Jobs are hard to get or grossly underpaying people, Housing is expensive and hard to get, The Cost of Living is extremely expensive while opportunities are getting worse.  I know once things go up, they rarely ever go back down.  The majority of Americans need some kind of relief.

I am going to slightly disagree with you on the jobs.  It really depends on the industry you are in.  My company cannot find enough trained electro-mechanical technicians to fill the openings we have.  They have resorted to hiring one or the other and teaching them the other.  There is such a demand for trades but for 40+years every kid graduating HS is pushed towards a college degree.

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At some point you just have to let go of what you thought should happen and live in what is happening.
 

"Look, if I can't move the goalposts there's just nothing for me to argue about since everyone keeps making me look dumb." - Mikesez

Presenting a hypothetical is not moving the goal posts.

No sir, the way you present a hypothetical is most definitely moving the goal post.  They are always an elaborate, multi faceted, narrow query to push any answers to your preconceived notions.  A good hypothetical question should spark an open and honest debate/discussion about the subject at hand.  Not pigeonhole responses to fill your needs.

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Original Season Ticket Holder - Retired  1995 - 2020


At some point you just have to let go of what you thought should happen and live in what is happening.
 

Presenting a hypothetical is not moving the goal posts.

No sir, the way you present a hypothetical is most definitely moving the goal post.  They are always an elaborate, multi faceted, narrow query to push any answers to your preconceived notions.  A good hypothetical question should spark an open and honest debate/discussion about the subject at hand.  Not pigeonhole responses to fill your needs.

The only reason I presented those hypotheticals Skip Willis is to see if you guys still feel justified coming after me the way you did back in 2018.

I've been here since 2005 and kept a low profile.  I finally had enough in 2018 when Trump went on Twitter and said "Obama spied on me and my campaign!" And suddenly all of you took that seriously and thought Obama did a Very Bad Thing when Obama actually did things that had been done many times before.  I'm still wondering when the lot of you will snap out of it and realize how often the guy has no idea how things work in our government, how often he asserts thing that are meant to rile you up but are actually meaningless or completely lacking in evidence, and how often he plays you for fools, even though many of you actually know better than him.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

No sir, the way you present a hypothetical is most definitely moving the goal post.  They are always an elaborate, multi faceted, narrow query to push any answers to your preconceived notions.  A good hypothetical question should spark an open and honest debate/discussion about the subject at hand.  Not pigeonhole responses to fill your needs.

The only reason I presented those hypotheticals Skip Willis is to see if you guys still feel justified coming after me the way you did back in 2018.

I've been here since 2005 and kept a low profile.  I finally had enough in 2018 when Trump went on Twitter and said "Obama spied on me and my campaign!" And suddenly all of you took that seriously and thought Obama did a Very Bad Thing when Obama actually did things that had been done many times before.  I'm still wondering when the lot of you will snap out of it and realize how often the guy has no idea how things work in our government, how often he asserts thing that are meant to rile you up but are actually meaningless or completely lacking in evidence, and how often he plays you for fools, even though many of you actually know better than him.

And there we have it Y'all...... He's FINALLY ADMITTED, in a very long winded way, that he's a woke liberal leftist with a Severe CASE of TDS and he rather have Slow Pedo Joe and the Cackler running the show. That we should keep throwing good money after bad to all these NGO's and leftist causes so they can funnel (Launder) money back to the Democrats........

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No sir, the way you present a hypothetical is most definitely moving the goal post.  They are always an elaborate, multi faceted, narrow query to push any answers to your preconceived notions.  A good hypothetical question should spark an open and honest debate/discussion about the subject at hand.  Not pigeonhole responses to fill your needs.

The only reason I presented those hypotheticals Skip Willis is to see if you guys still feel justified coming after me the way you did back in 2018.

I've been here since 2005 and kept a low profile.  I finally had enough in 2018 when Trump went on Twitter and said "Obama spied on me and my campaign!" And suddenly all of you took that seriously and thought Obama did a Very Bad Thing when Obama actually did things that had been done many times before.  I'm still wondering when the lot of you will snap out of it and realize how often the guy has no idea how things work in our government, how often he asserts thing that are meant to rile you up but are actually meaningless or completely lacking in evidence, and how often he plays you for fools, even though many of you actually know better than him.

The irony of this post is overwhelming.

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When you get into the endzone, act like you've been there before.

Ed Martin Named the Top Three Suspects in the Biden Autopen Fiasco

Martin named three top suspects in his probe into the pardons and the autopen: Anita Dunn, Bob Bauer, and Ron Klain. Bauer and Dunn are married, with the former being present for Biden’s deposition with Special Counsel Robert Hur, who was investigating Biden for mishandling classified documents while serving as Obama’s vice president. Bauer claimed that Hur’s account of events wasn’t how he saw things, which made the case for releasing the tapes. Portions were leaked last week where Biden, indeed, sounded awful and forgot when his son, Beau, died.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/...qslUUwnH9g

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John Cleese of Monty Python has never been afraid to tell it like it is......

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Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy...... </sarcasm>

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The only reason I presented those hypotheticals Skip Willis is to see if you guys still feel justified coming after me the way you did back in 2018.

I've been here since 2005 and kept a low profile.  I finally had enough in 2018 when Trump went on Twitter and said "Obama spied on me and my campaign!" And suddenly all of you took that seriously and thought Obama did a Very Bad Thing when Obama actually did things that had been done many times before.  I'm still wondering when the lot of you will snap out of it and realize how often the guy has no idea how things work in our government, how often he asserts thing that are meant to rile you up but are actually meaningless or completely lacking in evidence, and how often he plays you for fools, even though many of you actually know better than him.

The irony of this post is overwhelming.

Agreed, nuff said.

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

The Autopen = Watergate on steroids.

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

No sir, the way you present a hypothetical is most definitely moving the goal post.  They are always an elaborate, multi faceted, narrow query to push any answers to your preconceived notions.  A good hypothetical question should spark an open and honest debate/discussion about the subject at hand.  Not pigeonhole responses to fill your needs.

The only reason I presented those hypotheticals Skip Willis is to see if you guys still feel justified coming after me the way you did back in 2018.

I've been here since 2005 and kept a low profile.  I finally had enough in 2018 when Trump went on Twitter and said "Obama spied on me and my campaign!" And suddenly all of you took that seriously and thought Obama did a Very Bad Thing when Obama actually did things that had been done many times before.  I'm still wondering when the lot of you will snap out of it and realize how often the guy has no idea how things work in our government, how often he asserts thing that are meant to rile you up but are actually meaningless or completely lacking in evidence, and how often he plays you for fools, even though many of you actually know better than him.

Lol, I've been "after you" since Day 1 because you were a smug, disingenuous [BLEEP] hole from the jump. What you were trying to do was, is, and always has been quite evident; you simply aren't anywhere near as smart as you think you are. It's simply hubris, as I've maintained from the beginning.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

That look on your face when they break out receipts on yo [BLEEP]..

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