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Quote:So because he's a "big man" is relevant.... how?

 

In no way is it relevant, just an observation.

Quote:Bernie Sanders scares me the idea we might end up with an openly socialist president, yikes.

 

I want to see a Battle of the Wackos - Bernie Sanders v. Ted Cruz. The Election to End the Republic. 

Quote:I want to see a Battle of the Wackos - Bernie Sanders v. Ted Cruz. The Election to End the Republic.

That was pretty funny

If we want to see an election to end the nation:


Donald Trump vs Lincoln Chaffee 

Quote:If we want to see an election to end the nation:


Donald Trump vs Lincoln Chaffee 

 

Chaffee would confuse The Donald with that metric system thing - which would lead to a diatribe about being invaded by the European Union. Or something.

Quote:Bernie Sanders scares me the idea we might end up with an openly socialist president, yikes.

 

Only way Sanders wins is if all of the democrat candidates commit seppuku at the convention and he wins by default. 

Quote:Only way Sanders wins is if all of the democrat candidates commit seppuku at the convention and he wins by default.

I don't know socialism has oddly become an acceptable idea it's not some fringe group out there anymore. Dare I say it might be mainstream in the near future.

Quote:I don't know socialism has oddly become an acceptable idea it's not some fringe group out there anymore. Dare I say it might be mainstream in the near future.

 

I wouldn't doubt it, I just think Clinton will waltz to the nomination with ease. 

Quote:I wouldn't doubt it, I just think Clinton will waltz to the nomination with ease. 

 

Which is why I hope the Republicans will come to their senses, flush all the pretenders out of the clown car, and come up with a serious candidate who is not a right-wing extremist or flame thrower.   What a lot of people call RINOs are actually the type of candidate I tend to support.  

Quote:Which is why I hope the Republicans will come to their senses, flush all the pretenders out of the clown car, and come up with a serious candidate who is not a right-wing extremist or flame thrower.   What a lot of people call RINOs are actually the type of candidate I tend to support.  

As long as the Democrats keep throwing far-left candidates out, the Republicans will do the same with the right. The sad dynamic going on is that each party fears that if it throws a centrist into the ring, there won't be enough to distinguish their candidate from the other side's, and they'll lose votes as a result. The two party system more or less ensures that extremists get the nod. A viable third party would end a lot of that.

Quote:As long as the Democrats keep throwing far-left candidates out, the Republicans will do the same with the right. The sad dynamic going on is that each party fears that if it throws a centrist into the ring, there won't be enough to distinguish their candidate from the other side's, and they'll lose votes as a result. The two party system more or less ensures that extremists get the nod. A viable third party would end a lot of that.

What? Bush, McCain and Romney are the definition of centrist?


Hell Romney practical introduced the ACA and McCain is at odds with his own party more than Obama.

Quote:Which is why I hope the Republicans will come to their senses, flush all the pretenders out of the clown car, and come up with a serious candidate who is not a right-wing extremist or flame thrower.   What a lot of people call RINOs are actually the type of candidate I tend to support.  

 

I think the crowded field helps Bush more than anybody, I said it before, write it down Clinton/Bush 2016

Quote:Which is why I hope the Republicans will come to their senses, flush all the pretenders out of the clown car, and come up with a serious candidate who is not a right-wing extremist or flame thrower.   What a lot of people call RINOs are actually the type of candidate I tend to support.  

 

The first "flushing" is coming up with the first debate which will be here before you know it.  If you don't get invited to the "first dance", chances are your campaign is done.

 

That being said, I'm curious as to who you think are "pretenders" and why?

 

Next question is which of the nominees do you consider "right-wing extremists" or "flamethrowers"?

 

I actually like the idea of a large field of potential nominees.  While I don't support them all, it does offer a broad perspective and choice.  I would also argue that the number of candidates on the Republican ticket indicates that there is a large and diverse number of people that think that the direction that this country is headed on needs to change.  On the other side of the aisle, you have a "coronation" in the works with Hillary, and her only challenger that has even the slightest hope of winning the democrat nomination is a self-identified socialist.  Where is the "serious" candidate on that side?

Quote:As long as the Democrats keep throwing far-left candidates out, the Republicans will do the same with the right. The sad dynamic going on is that each party fears that if it throws a centrist into the ring, there won't be enough to distinguish their candidate from the other side's, and they'll lose votes as a result. The two party system more or less ensures that extremists get the nod. A viable third party would end a lot of that.

 

I somewhat agree with you when it comes to a third party.

 

My question(s) to you is, who on the republican side do you consider "far-right" and why?

Quote:I think the crowded field helps Bush more than anybody, I said it before, write it down Clinton/Bush 2016

 

I don't know how the crowded field could possibly help Jeb Bush more than anyone else.

 

As far as a Clinton/Bush race, I don't think that it will happen.  Most people that I know on both sides of the political aisle would not support either candidate.

Quote:I don't know how the crowded field could possibly help Jeb Bush more than anyone else.


As far as a Clinton/Bush race, I don't think that it will happen. Most people that I know on both sides of the political aisle would not support either candidate.

It's Bush and Clinton unless we have an upset somewhere.


Santorum and Huckabee are splitting the evangelical vote. Cruz and Perry will split the southern conservative vote. Rand is getting the libertarian vote. the rest will default to the best man with the deepest pockets to run a full campaign against the democrats. The deep pockets are all behind Jeb. Best hope is Jersey Boy Christi siphons some of the northeastern republican votes and someone either the conservative or libertarians candidate is close enough to take him down.

Quote:I somewhat agree with you when it comes to a third party.

 

My question(s) to you is, who on the republican side do you consider "far-right" and why?

Let's try this:

 

Santorum - holds right of center positions on virtually every issue (if not actually every issue)

 

Cruz - No more needs to be said

 

Perry - History of extremely conservative actions as governor of Texas, including supporting the religious right in their quest to limit the exposure of schoolkids to "left wing" things like evolution and sex ed. Strong candidate for the title of "King of the Tea Party"

 

Huckabee - Very far right views on individual rights

 

Jindal - Has consistenly taken right-wing positions on social and economic issues, and is outspoken against issues that would be considered left of center socially

 

Honorable mention goes to Lindsay Graham, who seems more to be pandering to the far right (or, really, anyone who'll listen) than an actual member of it

Quote:It's Bush and Clinton unless we have an upset somewhere.


Santorum and Huckabee are splitting the evangelical vote. Cruz and Perry will split the southern conservative vote. Rand is getting the libertarian vote. the rest will default to the best man with the deepest pockets to run a full campaign against the democrats. The deep pockets are all behind Jeb. Best hope is Jersey Boy Christi siphons some of the northeastern republican votes and someone either the conservative or libertarians candidate is close enough to take him down.

 

It's only a Bush/Clinton race because that's what the media is telling you.  Honestly, who is really supporting both campaigns?  It's certain groups and certain corporate interests.  Does that really reflect "main stream America"?  Right now the "barometer" of who is a "serious" candidate is decided by looking at how much money they can raise for their campaigns.

 

I can see Clinton getting the democrat nomination, only because there is no one else in her party that has a message that would appeal to the majority of voters.  However, I think that she will eventually be torn to shreds when it comes to her "experience" and past dealings.  I could be wrong though, because most of her base has the actual knowledge and sense of reality that could fit into an ant's left shoe, but her past "experience" will eventually come back to haunt her.  If she gets the democrat nomination, she loses simply because of the truth.

 

I don't think that Jeb Bush will get the republican side of the vote simply because of his last name.  Would I support him if he is the nominee?  I would only because I agree more with him rather than any of the candidates on the other side of the political spectrum.  I watched his speech when he announced his intention to get into the race.  Parts of it I agree with, other parts I don't.

 

After watching the announcement speeches by both, I don't see either one defining a specific problem and how they would approach it.  All I saw was a "fund raising" speech.

Quote:Let's try this:

 

Santorum - holds right of center positions on virtually every issue (if not actually every issue)

Care to cite one and give an explanation?  I personally am in agreement with most of his points of view.


 

Cruz - No more needs to be said

Why is that?


 

Perry - History of extremely conservative actions as governor of Texas, including supporting the religious right in their quest to limit the exposure of schoolkids to "left wing" things like evolution and sex ed. Strong candidate for the title of "King of the Tea Party"

I would beg to differ on the "Tea Party" comment.  I would also argue that most of the state that he governed agreed with his policies.


 

Huckabee - Very far right views on individual rights

I personally like Mike Huckabee, but what turns me off the most is that he pushes his religious views too much.


 

Jindal - Has consistenly taken right-wing positions on social and economic issues, and is outspoken against issues that would be considered left of center socially

Care to name specifics?


 

Honorable mention goes to Lindsay Graham, who seems more to be pandering to the far right (or, really, anyone who'll listen) than an actual member of it

​As far as I'm concerned, Lindsay Graham is just another "establishment" candidate.

 

Interesting answer to the question.  I appreciate your response.  What I find interesting is that you left out Marco Rubio (my publicly stated favorite candidate).  Do you have a problem with what he says or what his vision is?  Is he "far right"?  If so, specifically how?

Quote:It's Bush and Clinton unless we have an upset somewhere.


Santorum and Huckabee are splitting the evangelical vote. Cruz and Perry will split the southern conservative vote. Rand is getting the libertarian vote. the rest will default to the best man with the deepest pockets to run a full campaign against the democrats. The deep pockets are all behind Jeb. Best hope is Jersey Boy Christi siphons some of the northeastern republican votes and someone either the conservative or libertarians candidate is close enough to take him down.

 

In addition half that list on the front page will see limited to no debate time, and for the majority of those voting, they're voiting on electability, name recognition and sound bites.  I know we like to pretend every citizen is sitting down at a table emphatically doing research on each candidate and separating the campaign rhetoric from their actual voting records but realistically this isnt what's happening.  By the end of February, the shrinking minority of voters who actually do participate in primaries will be voting for which quarterback can beat the other team regardless of their stand on any issues.