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Dante "Personal" Fouler

Quote:Hopefully Fowler doesn't FOWL it up.

Okay...be honest. How long were you thinking about that comment??

Quote:Failure. The guy lucks into a few plays and somehow hes the 3rd pick in the draft. He has measurables virtually identical to Andre Branch, and had less sacks, despite being gifted 2 or 3 on plays where he was completely unblocked due to scheme errors by the offense. (Not to mention the plays he was unblocked and still didn't make the play.) This guy, the "best pass rusher in the draft" had 8.5 sacks, and as I said many of those were largely based on luck. Williams, a 300lb DT/DE had 7 and he wasn't even a pass rush guy, playing mostly inside. Has anyone watched Fowler actually play? Am I taking crazy pills? He gets blocked 5 yards downfield by TIGHT ENDS. Once a lineman touches him the play is over. This is a pathetic top 3 pick.

 

couldn't have said it better myself

 

would never draft another player from UF

 

smh caldwell just smh

And he's only 20. I remember this being used in defense for drafting Williams, does it still apply here?

I can't even handle how dumb some people are on this watch any of his games!!! Strong at point of attack = Strong upper and lower body hence the 260+ pounds. Low sack numbers due to how he was used at florida (everywhere on the field) he has so many skills to a fault they they couldn't keep him at just one spot. Most violent relentless player in the draft. Never quits on plays has the second best get off of any player in the draft. but is much bigger than any other leo. sets the edge, can play three downs, and can be moved on third to any position Helps put more rush packages together on third downs. Ummm... a negative.... he may hit the Qb to hard and get a penalty (which I'm 100% ok with) ALSO!!! He is polar opposite of Derrick Harvey watch him play before you throw names out there because they played at UF FREAKING ANNOYING!!!

Quote:I can't even handle how dumb some people are on this watch any of his games!!! Strong at point of attack = Strong upper and lower body hence the 260+ pounds. Low sack numbers due to how he was used at florida (everywhere on the field) he has so many skills to a fault they they couldn't keep him at just one spot. Most violent relentless player in the draft. Never quits on plays has the second best get off of any player in the draft. but is much bigger than any other leo. sets the edge, can play three downs, and can be moved on third to any position Helps put more rush packages together on third downs. Ummm... a negative.... he may hit the Qb to hard and get a penalty (which I'm 100% ok with) ALSO!!! He is polar opposite of Derrick Harvey watch him play before you throw names out there because they played at UF FREAKING ANNOYING!!!

It's like talking to a wall, isn't it? Lol

I was gonna be a 1st round pick but I got high, I was gonna go to the Jags but then I got high, Randy Gregory lol - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeYsTmIzjkw

Quote:And he's only 20. I remember this being used in defense for drafting Williams, does it still apply here?

The youth argument is great for an athletic, high upside, and raw player. Experience is the key ingredient those types need to blossom.

 

Fowler and Williams are both limited athletically (especially Fowler) so the youth argument isn't as strong. Experience will help, and they probably will get stronger sure, but Fowler isn't going to suddenly gain change of direction skills or more explosion. What we've seen is largely what he is going to be. 

i was a little disappointed with the pick initially tbh.

 

but, as the draft went on and williams ended up falling to the jets i started feeling more comfortable with the pick... if williams was the "best athlete" in the draft, he shouldnt have been passed over by 3 other teams after we passed on him... couple that with the fact that the jets are a newly established front office that may as well be shooting from the hip in this draft, and it almost seems like we may have dodged a bullet...we may have noticed something most other FO's saw when evaluating williams, leading us to go fowler over him.

 

just a thought, but we were really quick to take fowler. Almost like we knew when marriota was taken 2nd, the possibility for trade decreased tremendously and we switched to BAP... so if caldwell's BAP was fowler, i guess i gotta stand by it.

 

good to see you in teal now fowler, orange and blue are terrible colors lol.

Quote:i was a little disappointed with the pick initially tbh.

 

but, as the draft went on and williams ended up falling to the jets i started feeling more comfortable with the pick... if williams was the "best athlete" in the draft, he shouldnt have been passed over by 3 other teams after we passed on him... couple that with the fact that the jets are a newly established front office that may as well be shooting from the hip in this draft, and it almost seems like we may have dodged a bullet...we may have noticed something most other FO's saw when evaluating williams, leading us to go fowler over him.

 

just a thought, but we were really quick to take fowler. Almost like we knew when marriota was taken 2nd, the possibility for trade decreased tremendously and we switched to BAP... so if caldwell's BAP was fowler, i guess i gotta stand by it.

 

good to see you in teal now fowler, orange and blue are terrible colors lol.

I think Dave had

1. Fowler

2. Beasley

3. Cooper

Quote:The youth argument is great for an athletic, high upside, and raw player. Experience is the key ingredient those types need to blossom.


Fowler and Williams are both limited athletically (especially Fowler) so the youth argument isn't as strong. Experience will help, and they probably will get stronger sure, but Fowler isn't going to suddenly gain change of direction skills or more explosion. What we've seen is largely what he is going to be.

I'm pretty sure every athlete continues to work on explosion throughout their careers and it is something that most definitely can be improved on.


And why does his change of direction skills matter so much, he's not gonna be in space much as he'll be rushing the passer.


Idk if I ever see Fowler being a Robert Quinn or Jason Taylor type passrusher who wins with incredible bend and athleticism. I don't see that in Beasley either even though you've been in love with the guy.


Daniel Jeremiah gave a good comparison to Ryan Kerrigan. I can Fowler becoming something like that or even somebody like Aaron Kampman who wasn't the most explosive athlete but won with good strong hand placement and non stop motor. Guys can be great pass rushers in different ways with different styles.


I know a Kerrigan comp might not excite the masses but check his sack totals from last season and tell me you wouldn't want that from any DE on this team.

Quote:The youth argument is great for an athletic, high upside, and raw player. Experience is the key ingredient those types need to blossom.


Fowler and Williams are both limited athletically (especially Fowler) so the youth argument isn't as strong. Experience will help, and they probably will get stronger sure, but Fowler isn't going to suddenly gain change of direction skills or more explosion. What we've seen is largely what he is going to be.

It is because of his youth,that he will become much stronger and faster. He still got baby fat. Wait, he gone turn that into muscle.

Quote:Daniel Jeremiah gave a good comparison to Ryan Kerrigan. I can Fowler becoming something like that or even somebody like Aaron Kampman who wasn't the most explosive athlete but won with good strong hand placement and non stop motor.


I know a Kerrigan comp might not excite the masses but check his sack totals from last season and tell me you wouldn't want that from any DE on this team.

I can get behind that comp I guess. Hell of a lot better than the Justin Houston ones.

 

I think we will probably look back and think the Kerrigan range is about the spot he should have gone too. Middle third of the 1st round was the sweet spot for Fowler to me. Good solid player, just not as good as it coulda been if we went a handful of different directions instead. 

My issue is based on the highlight video he got three sacks against east carolina.   And two were horsecollar tackles in the nfl.    I will give this the benefit of the doubt.  And even if didnt draft Harvey still would be skeptical on this.   Is blackmon coming back just not announced yet?   We do not have a number 1 receiver currently nor a true number 1 rb.  

 

And have to score points.  

Quote:It is because of his youth,that he will become much stronger and faster. He still got baby fat. Wait, he gone turn that into muscle.

I think he will get stronger and slower. He will probably be in the 275 range in his prime years, and yes he will be significantly stronger. 

 

It is exceedingly rare for a player to improve movement skills after they enter the league (not including technique efficiency and stuff obviously). It happened for someone like Leveon Bell, but he underwent a significant body change that included dropping a lot of weight. I'd be shocked if it happened with Fowler, especially because he will most likely be adding ~15 lbs in the next couple years.  

Quote:I will be the first to say it !

First to whine like a little girl. Check.


You didn't need to tell us after the fact; we all knew you'd be doing that regardless of the pick.

Quote:Ok I get the pick. Now for the 32nd ranked offense how do we plan on moving up to respectable levels of production.

Exactly. Dave and Gus are cretins for not considering this, and that's a fact. If they remotely cared about this team they'd have done something to help the offence. It's not like they've got a rookie QB who want even supposed to start last year and should see real improvement in year 2, or any young receivers who could be expected to make steps forward. If they had the brains they were born with they'd have made a move to improve the OL in free agency or something. And they'd have picked up *someone* to help out catching the ball. Couldn't they have looked to see if there was a reasonable tight end available in free agency or something? Seriously, what are they paying these guys for?

I am on board with the pick.  However the name calling is childish at best.  Are you going to denie the 2 sacks that were horse collar tackles?  Or is a DE allowed to sack a player at the neck?  It is easy to bash.  But video don't lie.

It's very obvious to me that Dave had to decide between Fowler and Cooper. I'm sure Dave wanted Cooper, but went with Fowler because of Gus. I think it was the wrong pick. We drafted Bortles last year and proceeded to be decimated at the WR position because of injuries and inexperience. I really believe that this offseason should've been entirely about making sure Bortles was surrounded with talent. Derek Carr was the guy who looked like he should've been the 3rd overall pick last year, and now he has a fantastic new weapon to use. Bortles? Well, let's at least hope injury doesn't mangle our WR corps like it does every other year.

Anyone who thought it would be Cooper hasn't listened to Dave since he's been here about what he wants to target with premium picks. I liked Cooper, and would have been fine with the pick don't get me wrong. But, it feels like people are bashing Fowler because they wanted Amari. The reasoning for some of it is crazy. He's not athletic? Are you kidding me? The kid is a high motor athletic freak. He was used a ton of different ways and weights at UF, and is young. He's slightly raw, but athleticism should be the last criticism leveled at him. And if you listened to Dave's PC, he flat said with Julius and Marcedes, most times only 2 WR will be on the field at a time. This hating is a combination of people being stung by Harvey, hating on him because he went to UF and there's a huge block of this fanbase who after the calls for Tebow automatically hate on all things UF. If this kid went to another school you'd all love him. Step away from the emotion and look at it objectively and this pick makes a lot of sense. Williams was more of a strong side end or interior player, which we don't need as much. Dante had the best skill set for a LEO in the draft.