Quote:White students riot and burn [BAD WORD REMOVED] when their sports team loses and no one cares. Do you realize this?
Yeah now that you mention it I have never not once seen a black student involved in those. #blind
Quote:Just because you're arrested for something, doesn't mean you'll be convicted for it. Freddie Gray wasn't convicted for most of those charges.
According to some reports, Freddie Gray has been convicted on some of the charges and that there was apparently plea bargaining deals that led to some of the charges being dropped. Also, there's uncertainty regarding how much time Gray has spent in prison.
I hope in the coming days the information on Gray's complete record becomes public. I think it's reasonable to ask the question whether the criminal justice system failed regarding Freddie Gray.
Quote:Ending the war on drugs would do a lot of good clearing his burglary and theft charges. I wonder if you get this excited every time a black man kills a white man, or a black man kills a black man, or a black man kills a cop. I bet you don't, because the media isn't in your ear telling you to be "outraged".
I like to believe that no one here actually thinks a person should be denied a fair trial. However, to say we should sympathize with a career criminal over an unfortunate accident (or not) that would cost (and is cos ting) the state and it's citizens millions with nothing in return?Well, I guess I am not as sympathetic towards our fellow human beings as you are.
Correct, you are actually a terrible human being. you know who else doesn't have sympathy towards fellow humans? Rioters, enjoy the company. But hey maybe I'm just not as sympathetic towards people with a general disdain for life if someone has committed a crime.
Quote:Correct, you are actually a terrible human being. you know who else doesn't have sympathy towards fellow humans? Rioters, enjoy the company. But hey maybe I'm just not as sympathetic towards people with a general disdain for life if someone has committed a crime.
I sympathize with the business owners and victims of the rioters. They do not deserve what is happening to them. I guess that makes me a terrible human being in your eyes. Shucks.
Quote:I sympathize with the business owners and victims of the rioters. They do not deserve what is happening to them. I guess that makes me a terrible human being in your eyes. Shucks.
It makes you no different than the rioters, in that you value some lives differently than others. The fact that you feel good about that shows how little of a person you are.
Quote:It makes you no different than the rioters, in that you value some lives differently than others. The fact that you feel good about that shows how little of a person you are.
You are damn straight I do. I don't care if it makes me a little person, because it is a logical choice. Life isn't happiness and rainbows, sunshine. There are some bad people out there. This guy had a long arrest record and DID have convictions. So what exactly did he provide for society? What did he do to benefit you, the state, or otherwise? Did he have a future? Did it look like he was heading down a productive path? He may have, but not now, not after following the path of crime most of his adult life. Statistically speaking, he was most likely going to end up in prison.
You help those who help themselves. I will sympathize for those who deserve it. Maybe your religion or political ideology tells you to value all life equally, and good for you. I see things differently.
Quote:You are damn straight I do. I don't care if it makes me a little person, because it is a logical choice. Life isn't happiness and rainbows, sunshine. There are some bad people out there. This guy had a long arrest record and DID have convictions. So what exactly did he provide for society? What did he do to benefit you, the state, or otherwise? Did he have a future? Did it look like he was heading down a productive path? He may have, but not now, not after following the path of crime most of his adult life. Statistically speaking, he was most likely going to end up in prison.
You help those who help themselves. I will sympathize for those who deserve it. Maybe your religion or political ideology tells you to value all life equally, and good for you. I see things differently.
Funny how in your earlier posts you tried to deny saying that he deserved to get killed. Now you're basically speaking it on the platform. Glad we could finally get your honest opinion.
Of course it's people like you that are causing the riots in the first place. The ones who think Freddie Gray 'got what was coming to him'
Quote:You are damn straight I do. I don't care if it makes me a little person, because it is a logical choice. Life isn't happiness and rainbows, sunshine. There are some bad people out there. This guy had a long arrest record and DID have convictions. So what exactly did he provide for society? What did he do to benefit you, the state, or otherwise? Did he have a future? Did it look like he was heading down a productive path? He may have, but not now, not after following the path of crime most of his adult life. Statistically speaking, he was most likely going to end up in prison.
You help those who help themselves. I will sympathize for those who deserve it. Maybe your religion or political ideology tells you to value all life equally, and good for you. I see things differently.
Oh good we have no need for a criminal just system. Judge Dredd to the rescue here folks.
Quote:Funny how in your earlier posts you tried to deny saying that he deserved to get killed. Now you're basically speaking it on the platform. Glad we could finally get your honest opinion.
Of course it's people like you that are causing the riots in the first place. The ones who think Freddie Gray 'got what was coming to him'
Yep, its me. I am causing the riots :pirate:. Blame everyone except the criminal.
Quote:Oh good we have no need for a criminal just system. Judge Dredd to the rescue here folks.
Well played, strawman.
Quote:Yep, its me. I am causing the riots :pirate:. Blame everyone except the criminal.
Well played, strawman.
I said people like you. The ones who think the police are always in the right, and people who are arrested are always in the wrong, and that they forfeit their right to life.
Quote:Yep, its me. I am causing the riots :pirate:. Blame everyone except the criminal.
Well played, strawman.
I should have known you would have no idea what a straw man actually is.
Quote:I should have known you would have no idea what a straw man actually is.
From our good friend Wikipedia:
The so-called typical "attacking a straw man" argument creates the
illusion of having completely refuted or defeated an opponent's proposition by covertly replacing it with a different proposition (i.e., "stand up a straw man") and then to refute or defeat that false argument ("knock down a straw man") instead of the original proposition.<sup>
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This technique has been used throughout history in
polemical debate, particularly in arguments about highly charged emotional issues where a fiery, entertaining "battle" and the defeat of an "enemy" may be more valued than
critical thinking or understanding both sides of the issue.
the illusion of having completely refuted or defeated an opponent's proposition by covertly replacing it with a different proposition.
Quote:Oh good we have no need for a criminal just system. Judge Dredd to the rescue here folks.
Sounds eerily similar to exactly what you did, I would say. Interesting indeed!
Quote:From our good friend Wikipedia:
The so-called typical "attacking a straw man" argument creates the illusion of having completely refuted or defeated an opponent's proposition by covertly replacing it with a different proposition (i.e., "stand up a straw man") and then to refute or defeat that false argument ("knock down a straw man") instead of the original proposition.<sup>[2]</sup><sup>[3]</sup>
This technique has been used throughout history in polemical debate, particularly in arguments about highly charged emotional issues where a fiery, entertaining "battle" and the defeat of an "enemy" may be more valued than critical thinking or understanding both sides of the issue.
the illusion of having completely refuted or defeated an opponent's proposition by covertly replacing it with a different proposition.
Sounds eerily similar to exactly what you did, I would say. Interesting indeed!
You have played judge, jury and executioner in this case while not only gleefully reminding us that you think, without evidence to support your insane claim, that this person not only deserve to die but have given rational in the form of financial burden reduction. Have been consistent in your disregard for the judicial process. That's not a straw man. That's just putting everything you have said in multiple threads into an easy enough for you to understand analogy of what you have been attempting to prop up. That you are attempting to spin this and deflect how you have portrayed yourself is admirable but not surprisingly, a failure.
The funny thing about these riots is that they're barely connected to the death of an individual. That may have been the catalyst for protests, but to riot and burn down a community? Whether it's Ferguson, Watts, or Baltimore, there's no justification for what has transpired. These "protests" were merely an opportunity seized to loot and cause havoc. If you were to go into the streets of Baltimore and ask these "protesters" to explain why they're stealing everything they can carry while setting places on fire, I'm confident most wouldn't reference the death as their motivation.
In Ferguson, it was often rent-a-mobs that were bused from all over the place in by instigators hoping to create the kind of chaos that ultimately transpired. At the end of the day, their hands up, don't shoot narrative that was the premise for their outrage turned out to be a false narrative used by those instigators to get the crowds riled up.
What happened initially to spark these protests is tragic. Regardless of the criminal history of the person who died, the details surrounding his death are absolutely suspicious. That doesn't justify what has happened since the incident.
Quote:You have played judge, jury and executioner in this case while not only gleefully reminding us that you think, without evidence to support your insane claim, that this person not only deserve to die but have given rational in the form of financial burden reduction. Have been consistent in your disregard for the judicial process. That's not a straw man. That's just putting everything you have said in multiple threads into an easy enough for you to understand analogy of what you have been attempting to prop up. That you are attempting to spin this and deflect how you have portrayed yourself is admirable but not surprisingly, a failure.
What exactly is my claim again?
That we should wait for evidence and not speculate on what happened?
That destroying private property and assaulting innocent people totally removed from the event is wrong?
That we shouldn't sympathize with career criminals?
That we should put quantitative analysis before emotion?
Terrible claims from the horrible, dishonorably, immoral person that I am. :no:
Quote:The funny thing about these riots is that they're barely connected to the death of an individual. That may have been the catalyst for protests, but to riot and burn down a community? Whether it's Ferguson, Watts, or Baltimore, there's no justification for what has transpired. These "protests" were merely an opportunity seized to loot and cause havoc. If you were to go into the streets of Baltimore and ask these "protesters" to explain why they're stealing everything they can carry while setting places on fire, I'm confident most wouldn't reference the death as their motivation.
In Ferguson, it was often rent-a-mobs that were bused from all over the place in by instigators hoping to create the kind of chaos that ultimately transpired. At the end of the day, their hands up, don't shoot narrative that was the premise for their outrage turned out to be a false narrative used by those instigators to get the crowds riled up.
What happened initially to spark these protests is tragic. Regardless of the criminal history of the person who died, the details surrounding his death are absolutely suspicious. That doesn't justify what has happened since the incident.
The rioting solves nothing but then I don't think anyone thinks that's what they are doing it for. Opportunistic and destructive elements that do nothing but destroy their homes and neighborhoods for what? A handful of slim jims?
Quote:The rioting solves nothing but then I don't think anyone thinks that's what they are doing it for. Opportunistic and destructive elements that do nothing but destroy their homes and neighborhoods for what? A handful of slim jims?
That's my point. There is no justification for what has happened since the death of Freddy Gray. Even his family has said as much. This isn't about his death. These riots are simply using that as an excuse.
Quote:What exactly is my claim again?
That we should wait for evidence and not speculate on what happened?
That destroying private property and assaulting innocent people totally removed from the event is wrong?
That we shouldn't sympathize with career criminals?
That we should put quantitative analysis before emotion?
Terrible claims from the horrible, dishonorably, immoral person that I am. :no:
Your quantitative analysis of the cost savings of this death and complete disregard of a death of a human all while not having evidence to say the police had no wrong doing in the matter coupled with you admitting some lives are worth more than others is what led me to my responses.
It's very simple. A person suffered injuries leading to his death while in police custody. Regardless of his criminal history that's unacceptable to most people but not others apparently.
Quote:The funny thing about these riots is that they're barely connected to the death of an individual. That may have been the catalyst for protests, but to riot and burn down a community? Whether it's Ferguson, Watts, or Baltimore, there's no justification for what has transpired. These "protests" were merely an opportunity seized to loot and cause havoc. If you were to go into the streets of Baltimore and ask these "protesters" to explain why they're stealing everything they can carry while setting places on fire, I'm confident most wouldn't reference the death as their motivation.
In Ferguson, it was often rent-a-mobs that were bused from all over the place in by instigators hoping to create the kind of chaos that ultimately transpired. At the end of the day, their hands up, don't shoot narrative that was the premise for their outrage turned out to be a false narrative used by those instigators to get the crowds riled up.
What happened initially to spark these protests is tragic. Regardless of the criminal history of the person who died, the details surrounding his death are absolutely suspicious. That doesn't justify what has happened since the incident.
No it doesn't. Though I don't think anyone other than the Panthers fan has said that it does.
Many of the protesters were peaceful. There were many law abiding protesters who not only didn't loot and commit heinous acts of violence, but who also called for others to stop. The criminals who looted and set things on fire saw the protests as an opportunity. They saw that the police weren't going to be able to handle the situation, and ran in and took what they wanted, destroyed what they wanted. They didn't care about Freddie Gray. They didn't care about police violence. All they cared about was taking the opportunity to raid innocent businesses when the police would be unable to arrest them for what they were doing.
What's unfortunate is that the peaceful protesters message has been swept under the rug because of the act of those claiming to act on their behalf. And that the people who destroyed their own city (or the people who came to Baltimore to destroy it) will destroy the lives of many people (who will lose their jobs and businesses) in addition to destroying the message.