Quote:There are several mods posting in this thread, I think we can all agree that Eric has not made any personal attacks on you.
Really? A thread about racism I get called boy and that's not an attack? That's some fine moderation.
Quote:Panda Boy tells me it's my privilege that lead me not to understand the reason for the rioting. That's pretty darn close to an excuse for the rioters as you'll find. I don't care who you are or where your from, attacking the police and destroying private property is never acceptable. It leads to a more militarized police force, it leads to a more aggressive police force, it leads to more brutality. But it's my "privilege" that just keeps me from understanding the reasoning.
On group engages in violence that's my point, the same people that will crucify the bundy ranch movement and other anti-government ilk for speaking out are the same ones defending the reasoning behind all these urban riots and claiming it's my privilege keeping me from understanding.
Quote:Really? A thread about racism I get called boy and that's not an attack? That's some fine moderation.
If you consider that a personal attack, then I think the Internet is just too much of a scary place for you to be.
Quote:It's reasonable, but irrelevant to what happened to him in police custody.
If it can decrease the chances of future crime, then something good can come out of the horrific situation in Baltimore and hopefully elsewhere as well.
Quote:Really? A thread about racism I get called boy and that's not an attack? That's some fine moderation.
If that offended you, you are way to sensitive for this board my friend. Eric is one of the most level headed and reasonable posters on here. He's an anarchist but hes an anarchist with a heart of gold.
Quote:If that offended you, you are way to sensitive for this board my friend. Eric is one of the most level headed and reasonable posters on here. He's an anarchist but hes an anarchist with a heart of gold.
Even on the topics I somewhat or more disagree with Eric on, I definitely agree he's very level headed, reasonable, and extremely well intentioned.
Panda accept my apology didn't intend to offend you so deeply. I do take being accused of privilege pretty personal so perhaps I responded harshly.
Now back to the topic at hand....
Quote:If that offended you, you are way to sensitive for this board my friend. Eric is one of the most level headed and reasonable posters on here. He's an anarchist but hes an anarchist with a heart of gold.
I don't think Eric's really an anarchist. I know anarchists, and some of their beliefs make Eric look like a socialist. He is very level headed though, and he's probably one of the better board members to converse with.
I can see how 'boy' might have insulted someone, though I don't think Eric meant it in that way.
Really have to comment I'm extremely impressed with the restraint the Baltimore PD has displayed for the most part. Looks as if they've got everything under control tonight. Pretty much the opposite of what we saw in ferguson.
Quote:Really? A thread about racism I get called boy and that's not an attack? That's some fine moderation.
If that's your interpretation of being victimized, I seriously consider the credentials you use to justify your reasoning.
I've seen a lot of posts saying he shouldn't have died in police custody. I don't know how anyone can say that until they figure out how he suffered the spinal injury. When did that happen? How? Did he do it? Did the police do it? Was there time to save him?
Now there's talk about how Freddie Gray had surgery on his spine only a week before all of this happened. The assumption that it was a specific person's fault, at this point, is done without all of the information. The fact that he died in police custody does not mean it's the police's fault. They may not have been capable of stopping it from happening.
The police said that, upon seeing them, he took off running until they caught up with him. They said that he stopped and complied (without resisting). At this point, they said that he complained of pain. The police said that he didn't resist, and they weren't required to use force. The 1/2 hour time in between the arrest and visiting the station is a practical standard, and it's about in line with standard protocol. He suffered from 3 fractured vertebrae and a crushed voice box--all indicative of a vehicle collision. As it was mentioned earlier, there are now claims that he was in the process of receiving a settlement from a vehicle collision for similar injuries.
Now tell me... is it more likely that he injured himself after running from the police or by the police? We see, by video, that he is obviously injured before being taken into custody. He's complaining of symptoms from what may have been the reason that he died.
I havent read the tread / posts but I did want to say that the Facebook message Ray Lewis gave was spot on.
It was good to see a famous NFL player tell the youth of Balitmore to get off of the streets and stop making the city look bad by looting.
Quote:I don't think Eric's really an anarchist. I know anarchists, and some of their beliefs make Eric look like a socialist. He is very level headed though, and he's probably one of the better board members to converse with.
I can see how 'boy' might have insulted someone, though I don't think Eric meant it in that way.
It's just a joking term I use for him. I know he's not an actual anarchist just like he knows I'm not an actual commie.... or does he
Quote:I've seen a lot of posts saying he shouldn't have died in police custody. I don't know how anyone can say that until they figure out how he suffered the spinal injury. When did that happen? How? Did he do it? Did the police do it? Was there time to save him?
Now there's talk about how Freddie Gray had surgery on his spine only a week before all of this happened. The assumption that it was a specific person's fault, at this point, is done without all of the information. The fact that he died in police custody does not mean it's the police's fault. They may not have been capable of stopping it from happening.
The police said that, upon seeing them, he took off running until they caught up with him. They said that he stopped and complied (without resisting). At this point, they said that he complained of pain. The police said that he didn't resist, and they weren't required to use force. The 1/2 hour time in between the arrest and visiting the station is a practical standard, and it's about in line with standard protocol. He suffered from 3 fractured vertebrae and a crushed voice box--all indicative of a vehicle collision. As it was mentioned earlier, there are now claims that he was in the process of receiving a settlement from a vehicle collision for similar injuries.
Now tell me... is it more likely that he injured himself after running from the police or by the police? We see, by video, that he is obviously injured before being taken into custody. He's complaining of symptoms from what may have been the reason that he died.
Interesting. Though I do not think it's unreasonable to expect that people should not become paralyzed and then end up dying while under police custody, if this is true many people will look foolish for jumping to a conclusion that at the time seemed logical to them given the current climate.
Has this been debunked yet?
“Freddie Gray had a pre-existing spinal and neck injury [from a car accident] and had severe damage and scar tissue from an accident that Allstate insurance was paying via a large structured settlement.
Freddie had several unsuccessful spinal fusion surgeries, and his most recent spinal/cervical operation was a week and a half before he was arrested. Freddie should have been at home in bed resting and recovering from this recent major operation.
If you look on Howard County Civil Court records you will find a case whereby Freddie Gray Jr. was trying to cash in his monthly structured Allstate settlement into a lump sum payout through Peachtree funding”.
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015...is-arrest/
https://twitter.com/ProgPoker/status/593153724245114880
Quote:Interesting. Though I do not think it's unreasonable to expect that people should not become paralyzed and then end up dying while under police custody, if this is true many people will look foolish for jumping to a conclusion that at the time seemed logical to them given the current climate.
I don't think it's unreasonable, either. It should be noted, however, that being injured while in the police's custody doesn't automatically mean it was their fault. Should they have had the ability and opportunity to provide aid, then I'll listen to that argument, but that's a different argument altogether. They may determine that his fate was set in stone even before the arrest.
Quote:I've seen a lot of posts saying he shouldn't have died in police custody. I don't know how anyone can say that until they figure out how he suffered the spinal injury. When did that happen? How? Did he do it? Did the police do it? Was there time to save him?
They can say that because he should have received medical attention when he asked for it. Not 45 minutes later. Now one might say that he would have died even if he got medical attention -- but that doesn't negate at the very least negligence on the part of police.