Quote:They're taking money another person has earned. It's not the same as direct deposit. It's outright theft.
Then federal income tax is theft, social security tax is theft, property tax is theft, medicare tax is theft, state tax is theft, sales tax is theft, etc.
You have no say-so in paying those taxes. Concerning a union job, you can choose not to apply for union work if you are allergic to dues.
Quote:Not really...It can be a condition of employment just as direct deposit is being forced on people as a condition of employment too...If you don't want to be in a Union the choice to take the job or not to take the job is yours if it's offered to you...If you don't want to be in a Union don't apply for a job with a Unionized company...Pretty simple really
Thus the right to work argument sprang to life. Your point is valid, I am not questioning nor referring to that aspect. My point is that it should not be a deciding factor in taking employment.
Quote:Then federal income tax is theft, social security tax is theft, property tax is theft, medicare tax is theft, state tax is theft, sales tax is theft, etc.
You have no say-so in paying those taxes. Concerning a union job, you can choose not to apply for union work if you are allergic to dues.
You are starting to understand.
Quote:Thus the right to work argument sprang to life. Your point is valid, I am not questioning nor referring to that aspect. My point is that it should not be a deciding factor in taking employment.
every job will have pros and cons...people will just have to make a decision in non right to work states if they want a union job or not...Unions are not bad things, some think so, some think they are good things, but in the end they are simply another factor in a job search....
Is it O.K. for a union to endorse and support a political candidate with union money (from dues)? Is it alright if I happened to work in a job that is a "union shop" connected to the AFL-CIO for them to support a political candidate AND funnel money to them (from my dues) even if I don't agree or support said candidate?
The bottom line here is that many unions are pretty much "money laundering" arms of the democrat party and an important source of their income.
Your union dues pay for a very small, minute part of the "negotiation for better salaries". Most of the money pays for the "operating costs" which is translated as salary for the union bosses, as well as the "donations" to democrat candidates.
You people that think that your unions are doing so much for you, calculate it and think about it, then look at the news and "endorsements" during the election season. You folks that think that your union is doing so much for you need to take an honest and close look at it.
Quote:You are starting to understand.
You may be onto something here.
If we all decided we were going to ride bikes to work from now on, that would save a bundle on road maintenance.
Same thing for airports...who needs them?
Dismantling all the branches of the military would save a ton as well.
Let's also do away with all local law enforcement & firefighters.
Who needs public education when we can all pay for our children to go to private schools?
Those elderly types don't need medicaid/medicare either.
Social security might as well go too, since that helps absolutely nobody.
No more student loans or grants, either. It's either cash on the barrelhead or you won't be attending.
etc.
Quote:Is it O.K. for a union to endorse and support a political candidate with union money (from dues)? Is it alright if I happened to work in a job that is a "union shop" connected to the AFL-CIO for them to support a political candidate AND funnel money to them (from my dues) even if I don't agree or support said candidate?
The bottom line here is that many unions are pretty much "money laundering" arms of the democrat party and an important source of their income.
Your union dues pay for a very small, minute part of the "negotiation for better salaries". Most of the money pays for the "operating costs" which is translated as salary for the union bosses, as well as the "donations" to democrat candidates.
You people that think that your unions are doing so much for you, calculate it and think about it, then look at the news and "endorsements" during the election season. You folks that think that your union is doing so much for you need to take an honest and close look at it.
absolutely! I hate the political aspect of my union...It is owned and operated by minorities and supports minorities in the workplace with programs designed for illegals to get legal, learn to read write and speak english, how to manage finances and other programs but very little for non illegals...
Quote:Is it O.K. for a union to endorse and support a political candidate with union money (from dues)? Is it alright if I happened to work in a job that is a "union shop" connected to the AFL-CIO for them to support a political candidate AND funnel money to them (from my dues) even if I don't agree or support said candidate?
The bottom line here is that many unions are pretty much "money laundering" arms of the democrat party and an important source of their income.
Your union dues pay for a very small, minute part of the "negotiation for better salaries". Most of the money pays for the "operating costs" which is translated as salary for the union bosses, as well as the "donations" to democrat candidates.
You people that think that your unions are doing so much for you, calculate it and think about it, then look at the news and "endorsements" during the election season. You folks that think that your union is doing so much for you need to take an honest and close look at it.
When you pay dues, you support your union.
The union supports its workers.
The union also supports politicians that support the union and further their cause.
This should be pretty understandable. If there is a candidate that is more union-friendly than the alternative, they will probably get supported regardless of their party.
You can personally support a candidate that your union does not support, if you like.
Quote:absolutely! I hate the political aspect of my union...It is owned and operated by minorities and supports minorities in the workplace with programs designed for illegals to get legal, learn to read write and speak english, how to manage finances and other programs but very little for non illegals...
Keep believing what they tell you.
You just said that there are many programs designed for illegals, but very little for non-illegals. Is that the right thing to do?
I personally am glad that it's making news and there is action being done to arrest and deport the illegals here now.
Quote:When you pay dues, you support your union.
The union supports its workers.
The union also supports politicians that support the union and further their cause.
This should be pretty understandable. If there is a candidate that is more union-friendly than the alternative, they will probably get supported regardless of their party.
You can personally support a candidate that your union does not support, if you like.
my union always supports the exact opposite of who I want to vote for
Also, local & national elections for union officials usually occur every 2-4 years. If you don't like who is in charge, you can get a movement going behind another prospect.
Quote:When you pay dues, you support your union.
The union supports its workers.
The union also supports politicians that support the union and further their cause.
This should be pretty understandable. If there is a candidate that is more union-friendly than the alternative, they will probably get supported regardless of their party.
You can personally support a candidate that your union does not support, if you like.
You look at it in a very small way. Consider this.
I'll just say that for instance you are a republican and your selection for President was Donald Trump. Would you openly and willingly give money to Hillary or the DNC? The same thing could go vice-versa.
My point is, when it comes to politics, unions don't represent their members, they represent their own interests.
Quote:my union always supports the exact opposite of who I want to vote for
So is the job of your union to support you and your interests, or support their own interests? Your money funds it either way.
Quote:Keep believing what they tell you.
You just said that there are many programs designed for illegals, but very little for non-illegals. Is that the right thing to do?
I personally am glad that it's making news and there is action being done to arrest and deport the illegals here now.
I said it supports minorities in the workplace and then specified one for illegals and the rest are for either legal immigrants or illegals...they also administer our dental and vision from the health and welfare fund of the union for $5 a week, give us life insurance for free, and free short term disability, a credit union, and some other stuff...we get an annual report every year about expenditures and income...we might get it quarterly too I dont remember
Quote:my union always supports the exact opposite of who I want to vote for
Mine too, every time. I vote my conscience. My views on a candidate don't have to match my union's. I have that choice.
I have my views, and my union has a job to do. I understand that and am fine with it.
Quote:So is the job of your union to support you and your interests, or support their own interests? Your money funds it either way.
It also got me a 40 cent raise when the company only wanted to give us 10 cents...it also kept my weekly part of my healthcare premium at 11% of the policy and the company pays the rest when the company wanted to raise our part of the premium to 15 % . It's not all bad
Quote:Mine too, every time. I vote my conscience. My views on a candidate don't have to match my union's. I have that choice.
I have my views, and my union has a job to do. I understand that and am fine with it.
at times I get irritated with the union when I think they aren't doing anything but taking my money and telling me who to vote for, then they come up with some kind of surprise addition to the CBA that I like and then I feel better
Quote:I said it supports minorities in the workplace and then specified one for illegals and the rest are for either legal immigrants or illegals...they also administer our dental and vision from the health and welfare dept of the union for $5 a week, give us life insurance for free, and free short term disability, a credit union, and some other stuff...we get an annual report every year about expenditures and income...we might get it quarterly too I dont remember
Regarding the part in bold, I don't think you really specified it.
Here's something to think about though, why should your money pay for illegals and any programs that support them? Doesn't it bother you that they are illegal aliens? Doesn't it bother you that in addition to your union dues, your taxes (assuming you actually pay federal income tax) pays for them when LEGAL residents don't get the same benefit?
Quote:You look at it in a very small way. Consider this.
I'll just say that for instance you are a republican and your selection for President was Donald Trump. Would you openly and willingly give money to Hillary or the DNC? The same thing could go vice-versa.
My point is, when it comes to politics, unions don't represent their members, they represent their own interests.
Of course not. I would not have given one penny of my own cash to support HRC or the DNC.
You are right that unions represent their own interests. So now, explain what you think their interests are.
You make it sound as if the only reason they exist is to give money to the Democratic party. If that is all they did, they wouldn't have any members and wouldn't even exist. The men and women in congress who support unions and actively assist in pushing through legislation that continues to aid unions (and their members) get supported. That well of money has to yield some benefits to union members, else it will dry up really fast.
If union members are unhappy with their union's leadership it will get replaced. This happens often. Nationally, our union had a huge turnover a few years ago. Around the same time, our local leadership was ousted and completely replaced. All this while Obama was in the middle of his 8 year stint as president. Think about that.