Quote:Kahn certainly doesn't want to upset the 14 people on this board who spend all day on it.
You guys soo content with losing you don't expect wins!! Smh its not about the people on this board but this city. People are tired of LOSING!! Last playoff game 2007 season.. Man wakeup thats 8 years ago!!! Time to win! No excuses!
The problem is that so far HC Gus Bradley hasnt lived up to the hype. I'm really hoping that it was all the reasons we already know (excuses), and that things will turn around this year... to not see at least six wins after three years will be embarassing.
Quote:What do u expect him to say? Our team only have 7 wins over 3 years! What is your expectation this season?
It's not that I expect him to say something different - it's that what he said seems painfully obvious. But - I guess if you're paid to write about the Jags at this time of year.... there's not lots of relevant "news" to report, so... we get those types of articles.
My expectations are seven wins in 2015. I'd be sorely disappointed with 5 wins or less.
I don't mean to slight you by calling the article pointless, I guess I'm just a little old-school about sports writing and I don't enjoy the current trends of "journalism" becoming more and more like blog posts and message board rants. And that article just feels to me like many of the threads around here that say things like "No more excuses!! - Win 6 games or fire everyone!!"
Also the lack of distinction between "excuses" and legit "reasons" is lazy and troubling.
Quote:It's not that I expect him to say something different - it's that what he said seems painfully obvious. But - I guess if you're paid to write about the Jags at this time of year.... there's not lots of relevant "news" to report, so... we get those types of articles.
My expectations are seven wins in 2015. I'd be sorely disappointed with 5 wins or less.
I don't mean to slight you by calling the article pointless, I guess I'm just a little old-school about sports writing and I don't enjoy the current trends of "journalism" becoming more and more like blog posts and message board rants. And that article just feels to me like many of the threads around here that say things like "No more excuses!! - Win 6 games or fire everyone!!"
Also the lack of distinction between "excuses" and legit "reasons" is lazy and troubling.
I was trying to relay the same thoughts, but with less werdz.
Quote:Whatever.
I see zero startling revelations.
Quote:It's not that I expect him to say something different - it's that what he said seems painfully obvious. But - I guess if you're paid to write about the Jags at this time of year.... there's not lots of relevant "news" to report, so... we get those types of articles.
My expectations are seven wins in 2015. I'd be sorely disappointed with 5 wins or less.
I don't mean to slight you by calling the article pointless, I guess I'm just a little old-school about sports writing and I don't enjoy the current trends of "journalism" becoming more and more like blog posts and message board rants. And that article just feels to me like many of the threads around here that say things like "No more excuses!! - Win 6 games or fire everyone!!"
Also the lack of distinction between "excuses" and legit "reasons" is lazy and troubling.
I can respect that! So if our team win less then 7 games should Gus be fired in your opinion?
People do realize Gene has to write articles for less than die-hard jag fans right? He's not starting a thread on the Jacksonville Jaguars message board, he's writing for tens of thousands of people.
Quote:I can respect that! So if our team win less then 7 games should Gus be fired in your opinion?
Way too many unknowns to answer that question. It depends on what the losses look like statistically, where the blame falls in terms of position groups and individual players, and how strong the teams they lose to end up finishing in league ranking.
If they win less than 7 - you can bet your butt that the conversation between Caldwell and Khan will include this topic. Whether they should make a change at that point depends on many things we don't know yet, IMO. Regardless - I'd expect
something to change. Maybe the HC - maybe not.
Quote:People do realize Gene has to write articles for less than die-hard jag fans right? He's not starting a thread on the Jacksonville Jaguars message board, he's writing for tens of thousands of people.
Obviously - but when pressed for an opinion on it - his readership demographic/fan-status doesn't change
my opinion on the article - so I give it.
I get why he does it. Doesn't mean I have to like it.
I like the Job Caldwell has done in acquiring players. He is a young ascending GM.
Bradley I HOPE is good enough to take this team to the top.
We will find out if he is/is not.
But for now I'm all in!
6 wins is a reasonably low floor, I don't see anyone preaching patience if they win less than 6 games this year.
We are all tired of all the excuses.
Here's my new motto:
"Just win Bradley"
Quote:We are all tired of all the excuses.
Here's my new motto:
"Just win Bradley"
The 2015 Jags...."6-10 or Gust!"
You came to the wrong place if you don't wanna see excuses. This board was built off of em.
the most glaring info here is 19 double digit losses in two seasons.
Quote:the most glaring info here is 19 double digit losses in two seasons.
And this is likely to be a pointer to how the team's progressing. Saying that the team must be 6-10 is ludicrous. If they scrape six wins and are blown out ten times, that's a bad result - we should be expecting better. If they win 5 games well, and lose 11 games by close margins, that's a better sign of improvement.
Which is why Khan isn't willing to put a required number of wins on the team this season; it's about the
nature of the wins and losses more than their number (within reason).
Last year felt a lot better than the year before from that perspective; the team was in games most or all the way through a lot of the time (even in some cases where the final score suggested otherwise), whereas the year before a lot of the games had been lost before the half. Obviously eventually improvement in that respect will and must result in more wins, but as long as things are on an upward trend in that respect it's a good plan to stay the course.
It seems stunningly obvious to me that there are some win/loss records where Bradley could either be safe or on a
very hot seat depending on how the wins were won, and how the losses were lost. Which is why although I have
expectations for the team this year, I'm not going to go crying that everyone should be fired if they don't meet them.
Quote:And this is likely to be a pointer to how the team's progressing. Saying that the team must be 6-10 is ludicrous. If they scrape six wins and are blown out ten times, that's a bad result - we should be expecting better. If they win 5 games well, and lose 11 games by close margins, that's a better sign of improvement.
Which is why Khan isn't willing to put a required number of wins on the team this season; it's about the nature of the wins and losses more than their number (within reason).
Last year felt a lot better than the year before from that perspective; the team was in games most or all the way through a lot of the time (even in some cases where the final score suggested otherwise), whereas the year before a lot of the games had been lost before the half. Obviously eventually improvement in that respect will and must result in more wins, but as long as things are on an upward trend in that respect it's a good plan to stay the course.
It seems stunningly obvious to me that there are some win/loss records where Bradley could either be safe or on a very hot seat depending on how the wins were won, and how the losses were lost. Which is why although I have expectations for the team this year, I'm not going to go crying that everyone should be fired if they don't meet them.
Well i will !! If we not performing well at work for 3 years we will be fired.. So as fans we have that right to assess the coaches performance too. And if he is not improving or performing well, then it might be time too move forward! Jack del Rio was a very likable guy around here. He also won games and took us to the playoffs. So lets not get character missed up with business!
Quote:Well i will !! If we not performing well at work for 3 years we will be fired.. So as fans we have that right to access the coaches performance too. And if he is not improving or performing well, then it might be time too move forward!
The point isn't that we shouldn't expect the coach to be performing. It's that your way of evaluating that performance is simplistic and inept.
Quote:The point isn't that we shouldn't expect the coach to be performing. It's that your way of evaluating that performance is simplistic and inept.
And it should be simplistic!! This league is about wins and losses! Ultimately winning the Super Bowl? Is that a realistic expectation with Gus being the coach? Stop giving passes!! I been a jag fan my entire life since 95!! I want to see them win a Super Bowl! And if Gus not the guy then he got to go!
Quote:The point isn't that we shouldn't expect the coach to be performing. It's that your way of evaluating that performance is simplistic and inept.
He has a point that ultimately, Bradley will be judged on wins and losses. If he doesn't perform well this year, he will most likely be gone.
The past 2 years have been really tough due to the roster turnover. That's why he is getting a pass for the most part.
If the team "plays hard" but we end up going 5-11, he should and most likely will be fired.
Quote:He has a point that ultimately, Bradley will be judged on wins and losses. If he doesn't perform well this year, he will most likely be gone.
He really doesn't. Which is why Khan hasn't been willing to give an expected number of wins; because it's about more than the number of wins. The team could easily finish 5-11 and be
better than an equivalent team finishing 7-9. Or, if you want to be negative about things or think this is an apologist view, the team could easily finish 7-9 but be
considerably worse than an equivalent 5-11 team.