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Quote:Dukes is clueless. Embarrassing.

 

Did someone say clueless

 

Quote:Sounds like Jamie Dukes likes what Gene Smith was building in Jacksonville

 

och.

 

 

 

But seriously, as i listen to his analysis and thought about what he said, i can only think of one thing......

 

 

 

 

 

He was on a molly.

Quote:Oh, please.


Of the list of players you mention, Daryl Smith is the only one legitimately worth keeping. Caldwell has more or less admitted his mistake on that one.


Mojo? Did you completely miss his last year here, or what he did when he went to Oakland? He was done.


Potroast had zero intention of playing here. He was following Del Rio to Denver no matter what the Jags put on the table. He made that abundantly clear.


Derek Cox? People wanted him run out on a rail when he was here. What did he do after he left? Is he even in the league?


Monroe was a guy that wasn't in their plans after drafting Joeckel. He was in the final year of his contract and was most likely hitting free agency no matter what because he wasn't interested in signing a contract as a right tackle, which was what he would have had to do to stay here.


Cutting Lewis is irrelevant as to what the team would save. You don't seem to grasp the point that there's a floor they have to spend to over a period of time. That money has to be spent. This isn't a team that needs to cut players to save cap dollars, but some of you really struggle to understand this point.

Yea Monroe not being in there plans seems right now like a bad idea then.You credit letting Daryl Smith go as a bad decision.

Derek Cox played equivalent to Gratz imo.. Nothing to praise a lot about.


Cutting Lewis is dead weight and would have been a smart move to gain even more CAP SPACE duhh!

From his perspective, this is all he sees:

 

Jaguars record:

2011  5-11

2012  2-14

2013  4-12

2014  3-13

 

What is there to let him believe that the Jaguars are on track to improve? There are no signs of steady improvement as far as wins and losses, which at the end of the day is what matters. Sure, there can be hope but it's not his job to be hopeful for the Jaguars. Ultimately, it's up to the Jaguars to win and change peoples' perceptions.

 

If he made these general comments about the Raiders (not making the right moves to build the team), he would be right in most peoples' opinions, except the Raider fans would be upset and argue otherwise. I think the same thing is happening here.

Quote:Lol no he didn't.


You act like they're were FAs available that would of turned this roster into a winning team over the last two years.


If Caldwell doesn't ATLEAST break even this year, he will be on the hot seat, if not shown the door. Tanking doesn't exist in football, especially long term tanking. People get fired way too fast to take such a risk.


He blew up the roster, and waited for his opportunity to grab the players he wanted, without becoming desperate.

 

So are you saying there were no FA's better than what we had on the team the last 2 years? Caldwell pretty much admitted to tanking as well. Saying 7 wins exceeded his expectations of the first 2 years. He didnt spend the last 2 years because he knew it wouldnt make a difference. 

 

Obviously they dont try to lose on purpose, but neither do the 76ers and Knicks, theyre still tanking though. If you deny that youre clueless. 

Quote:From his perspective, this is all he sees:

 

Jaguars record:

2011  5-11

2012  2-14

2013  4-12

2014  3-13

 

What is there to let him believe that the Jaguars are on track to improve? There are no signs of steady improvement as far as wins and losses, which at the end of the day is what matters. Sure, there can be hope but it's not his job to be hopeful for the Jaguars. Ultimately, it's up to the Jaguars to win and change peoples' perceptions.

 

If he made these general comments about the Raiders (not making the right moves to build the team), he would be right in most peoples' opinions, except the Raider fans would be upset and argue otherwise. I think the same thing is happening here.

 

He said we were a Quarterback away.  2 years ago.  A quarterback away.  He insinuated that our roster was fine until Caldwell came in, and just made some silly cuts.

 

So he didn't just say we weren't seeing signs of improvement.  He said that we've gotten worse.  Which is pretty ridiculous seeing as we've never repeated our 2 win year those 2 years ago where we were just 'a quarterback away'

Quote:As to the part in bold:


1. Daryl Smith...replaced by Telvin Smith, who has already been named AFC Defensive player of the week once.


2. Pot Roast...replaced by SenDerrick Marks, who was named Pro Bowl alternate last year.


3. Derek Cox...not that replacing him was like replacing Lester Hayes or Darrelle Revis...but take your choice between Colvin and McCray.


4. MJD...was good to great when he was here, but was clearly finished when he was let go. IIRC, had <100 yards total last year, then retired. This year is a very deep RB class.


The one guy you can definitively state we haven't adequately replaced from the group above was Monroe, and Monroe wasn't that good his first couple of years here.

Daryl played outside and middle not sure if Telvin could do that yet but ill give you that.


I do like Marks a lil more then Pot Roast but he was more of the run stopper type DT like Roy Miller.


Cox was expendable but we have CBs on the roster still that havent solidified that spot.


Sadly enough id still take Mojo a few years ago over Gerhart.

One thing I've noticed is when ex-players become commentators, they tend to be more critical of teams who purge their rosters of veterans. You hear them say "Pay the man" more often than pundits who are writers or coaches/front office types.

Quote:He said we were a Quarterback away.  2 years ago.  A quarterback away.  He insinuated that our roster was fine until Caldwell came in, and just made some silly cuts.

 

So he didn't just say we weren't seeing signs of improvement.  He said that we've gotten worse.  Which is pretty ridiculous seeing as we've never repeated our 2 win year those 2 years ago where we were just 'a quarterback away'

I understand and I don't mean to come across as argumentative. That season was a 2-win season. What would it have been with a real QB? I think that's what he's trying to say.

 

There were some good pieces there, enough to start with, given that a good QB was added to the roster. (I understand that you can't just shop for a QB at a supermarket), but that was his argument. That would've been a good rebuild, however, it appears that the rebuild has restarted once again with Caldwell, thus extending the entire rebuilding process.

 

The Jaguars have been at the lower tier of the NFL for so long that it leaves many to have the same opinion of the team. Lastly, there isn't much of a difference between a 2-win team and a 3-win team, correct? (2012 vs 2014) (Stated as an honest question and not as an insult or to be argumentative).

Quote:From his perspective, this is all he sees:

 

Jaguars record:

2011  5-11

2012  2-14

2013  4-12

2014  3-13

 

What is there to let him believe that the Jaguars are on track to improve? There are no signs of steady improvement as far as wins and losses, which at the end of the day is what matters. Sure, there can be hope but it's not his job to be hopeful for the Jaguars. Ultimately, it's up to the Jaguars to win and change peoples' perceptions.

 

If he made these general comments about the Raiders (not making the right moves to build the team), he would be right in most peoples' opinions, except the Raider fans would be upset and argue otherwise. I think the same thing is happening here.

Quote:I understand and I don't mean to come across as argumentative. That season was a 2-win season. What would it have been with a real QB? I think that's what he's trying to say.

 

There were some good pieces there, enough to start with, given that a good QB was added to the roster. (I understand that you can't just shop for a QB at a supermarket), but that was his argument. That would've been a good rebuild, however, it appears that the rebuild has restarted once again with Caldwell, thus extending the entire rebuilding process.

 

The Jaguars have been at the lower tier of the NFL for so long that it leaves many to have the same opinion of the team. Lastly, there isn't much of a difference between a 2-win team and a 3-win team, correct? (2012 vs 2014) (Stated as an honest question and not as an insult or to be argumentative).

I hear you but look at teams like the Texans and Bills last year. They have way more talented rosters than that 2012 roster and only got to 9 wins with no qb. You really think a better qb was going to raise that roster up to a 12 win team? No o-line and no Wideouts. Brady and Rodgers would have been on IR by week 4. There just was no talent across the board and to be honest I'm glad Caldwell gutted that mess. Let's get some new blood in this team. No need to keep trotting the "old gang" back out there every week. 

Quote:Daryl played outside and middle not sure if Telvin could do that yet but ill give you that.


I do like Marks a lil more then Pot Roast but he was more of the run stopper type DT like Roy Miller.


Cox was expendable but we have CBs on the roster still that havent solidified that spot.


Sadly enough id still take Mojo a few years ago over Gerhart.

Wow. Maybe football isn't your thing.


You complain about letting Knighton go yet ignore Roy Miller did just fine filling in that spot.


Cox sucked. Gratz, McCray, Colvin, Ball, and Blackmon were all better.


You would've taken MJD last year over Gerhart?? All 96 yards?


Just stop.

Quote:From his perspective, this is all he sees:

 

Jaguars record:

2011  5-11

2012  2-14

2013  4-12

2014  3-13

 

What is there to let him believe that the Jaguars are on track to improve? There are no signs of steady improvement as far as wins and losses, which at the end of the day is what matters. Sure, there can be hope but it's not his job to be hopeful for the Jaguars. Ultimately, it's up to the Jaguars to win and change peoples' perceptions.

 

If he made these general comments about the Raiders (not making the right moves to build the team), he would be right in most peoples' opinions, except the Raider fans would be upset and argue otherwise. I think the same thing is happening here.

 

The record has nothing to do with what he said about the aquisitions this FO has made. It has everyhting to do with him being on drugs.

 

Quote:He said we were a Quarterback away.  2 years ago.  A quarterback away.  He insinuated that our roster was fine until Caldwell came in, and just made some silly cuts.

 

So he didn't just say we weren't seeing signs of improvement.  He said that we've gotten worse.  Which is pretty ridiculous seeing as we've never repeated our 2 win year those 2 years ago where we were just 'a quarterback away'

 

We were a QB away without a shutdown corner, a good pass rusher, a first year coach, and horrible contracts. Hell, lookin at the approach DC is taking compared to the "genius formally known as", I'm feeling really really good.

I'm not really sure what Caldwell is doing but this is a big year for him and his regime

Caldwell is trying to acquire talent anywhere he can. Something we haven't seen in a while

Smh....ridiculous. But until we start to win they can say this anytime they want and look brilliant

Quote:I hear you but look at teams like the Texans and Bills last year. They have way more talented rosters than that 2012 roster and only got to 9 wins with no qb. You really think a better qb was going to raise that roster up to a 12 win team? No o-line and no Wideouts. Brady and Rodgers would have been on IR by week 4. There just was no talent across the board and to be honest I'm glad Caldwell gutted that mess. Let's get some new blood in this team. No need to keep trotting the "old gang" back out there every week. 

Thanks, Etdavis, for your response. I agree that the Texans and Bills had a lot of talent, more than the 2012 Jaguars roster. Neither team had a QB, however, no one mentioned 12 wins for the Jaguars. What was mentioned was that the 2012 Jaguars were a QB away from being 'competitive' and that a solid Tackle was let go. 

 

I do think that Dukes was unnecessarily harsh in his criticism. He could have addressed the question much better, but overall here are his points:

 

1. The Jaguars top 3 areas of need are O-line, RB, and Edge rusher.  He mentioned that the Jaguars let Eugene Monroe go and then talked about adding Parnell, who was a back-up in Dallas. In his opinion, this move hasn't addressed the team's biggest issue. With the Jaguars having so much cap space, I think most expected more moves to address the O-line. Is this unfair criticism?

 

2. Last year, the RB situation was addressed with Gerhart and Robinson. He mentioned that at no time did Gerhert show that he was a 1000-yard rusher, however, he was brought in to address this issue. Robinson was a college QB. Again, is this unfair criticism? Could the Jaguars have made better decisions here? Is RB still an issue or have these issues been properly addressed with those moves?

 

3. Edge Rusher: Dukes mentioned that this will be addressed through the draft. He went on to say that with the cap space available, the Jaguars could have looked into a difference maker at the CB position or even adding Greg Hardy to help address this issue.

Quote:I did. I went back and looked and I was mistaken. Looks like I was thinking 2010 when we were close at 8-8 and had 3 probowlers. Yeah, 2012 things were already in shambles and we were far from a qb away. Touche'

2009 we were 7-9 and had three pro bowlers (Garrard, M. Lewis, M. Owens). 2010 we were 8-8 and were at Indy week 15 with a chance to clinch the division. I actually think Dukes may have been thinking about 2011 when we went 5-11, but had a top 5 defense for much of the year and had the leagues leading rusher.

Quote:2009 we were 7-9 and had three pro bowlers (Garrard, M. Lewis, M. Owens). 2010 we were 8-8 and were at Indy week 15 with a chance to clinch the division. I actually think Dukes may have been thinking about 2011 when we went 5-11, but had a top 5 defense for much of the year and had the leagues leading rusher.

yeah we were close, and that hurt. The Mularkey season that followed was.... no words

Quote:Thanks, Etdavis, for your response. I agree that the Texans and Bills had a lot of talent, more than the 2012 Jaguars roster. Neither team had a QB, however, no one mentioned 12 wins for the Jaguars. What was mentioned was that the 2012 Jaguars were a QB away from being 'competitive' and that a solid Tackle was let go.


I do think that Dukes was unnecessarily harsh in his criticism. He could have addressed the question much better, but overall here are his points:


1. The Jaguars top 3 areas of need are O-line, RB, and Edge rusher. He mentioned that the Jaguars let Eugene Monroe go and then talked about adding Parnell, who was a back-up in Dallas. In his opinion, this move hasn't addressed the team's biggest issue. With the Jaguars having so much cap space, I think most expected more moves to address the O-line. Is this unfair criticism? I mean it's not like there was some premium RT available this year. Bulaga was the cream of the crop but it became apparent to everyone that he didn't want to leave Green Bay as soon as free agency got underway. So who else was there to sign?


2. Last year, the RB situation was addressed with Gerhart and Robinson. He mentioned that at no time did Gerhert show that he was a 1000-yard rusher, however, he was brought in to address this issue. Robinson was a college QB. Again, is this unfair criticism? Could the Jaguars have made better decisions here? Is RB still an issue or have these issues been properly addressed with those moves? Dave tried to address this area with the pursuit of Demarco Murray. Dave set a limit on how much he was going to spend on a 27 year old player who's coming off 450+ touches last year. Does anyone fault him for not overpaying? Without a doubt the RB position will be revisited during the draft.


3. Edge Rusher: Dukes mentioned that this will be addressed through the draft. He went on to say that with the cap space available, the Jaguars could have looked into a difference maker at the CB position or even adding Greg Hardy to help address this issue. Again, who should we have pursuited at CB that was available? Revis? He had every intention of resigning with NYJ again. Maxwell maybe? But is he worth nearly that whale of a contract signed? Dave did pursue McCourty and was close to snagging him until the Patriots uncharacteristically stepped up their offer. Does he get credit for that? It's not like he didn't address the position at all. He did sign House, who many believe is an up and coming player who should fit well in this scheme.